Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:33 am
Igovernor wrote:So democracy in this country is dead, a majority voted to leave, and the minority, because they lost the vote to remain now want another referendum. So at the next election, if we do not like who wins it, we should have another election, what a load of Bol****S. If there is another referendum there should only be two choices on the ballot paper (1) accept Mays brexit deal or (2) leave with no deal No way in the world should there be any vote on remaining, the country has already decided to leave.
Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:58 am
In one sense your correct of course but the wording of that ballot paper is to blame in my view.Not only that but everyone on this thread seems to be ignoring the fact that no deal whatsoever can be done without taking account of the Good Friday agreement,something that was not considered when drawing up the wording of this ballot paper.I would like to see what plans Boris,JRM and the other hard line brexiteers have for this problem because a boarder of any kind contravenes the law as set out in the GFA.Sven wrote:The truth is we voted 'out' in its simplest form and that is what needs to be delivered
The question was a simple one (see below) and they now need to honour the will of the people. A second Referendum would be abhorrent and an affront to democracy
Some say we are more informed now but that isn't the case. We still don't 'know' the facts of what is to come, as the real negotiation is still to be carried out. There are currently no promises, no guarantees and no consensus amongst either party in both the UK and in the EU
The people (by the simple and democratic majority vote required) made a decision and it's time to honour it...
Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:04 am
Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:09 am
Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:21 am
stevee1966 wrote:This is constantly referred to as the 'People's Vote'.
The people have already had their vote and the result was to leave.
This should be more appropriately known as the 'Meddling Politicians Vote'.
Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:44 am
Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:45 am
Cardiff dyskinesia wrote:
First of all, Leave conned the electorate there's no doubt. Secondly, you seem to want to deny people, who are now more educated on brexit a say on their future, and you think that's democracy? Your argument is absurd. Don't you realise the government can't deliver it without damaging the country?
Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:48 am
Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:58 am
Jock wrote:The Democratic process is being subverted in our country. We had a referendum, we voted to regain control of our country, we must leave.
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:00 pm
Sneggyblubird wrote:In one sense your correct of course but the wording of that ballot paper is to blame in my view.Not only that but everyone on this thread seems to be ignoring the fact that no deal whatsoever can be done without taking account of the Good Friday agreement,something that was not considered when drawing up the wording of this ballot paper.I would like to see what plans Boris,JRM and the other hard line brexiteers have for this problem because a boarder of any kind contravenes the law as set out in the GFA.Sven wrote:The truth is we voted 'out' in its simplest form and that is what needs to be delivered
The question was a simple one (see below) and they now need to honour the will of the people. A second Referendum would be abhorrent and an affront to democracy
Some say we are more informed now but that isn't the case. We still don't 'know' the facts of what is to come, as the real negotiation is still to be carried out. There are currently no promises, no guarantees and no consensus amongst either party in both the UK and in the EU
The people (by the simple and democratic majority vote required) made a decision and it's time to honour it...
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:03 pm
Jock wrote:The Democratic process is being subverted in our country. We had a referendum, we voted to regain control of our country, we must leave.
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:05 pm
Sven wrote:Jock wrote:The Democratic process is being subverted in our country. We had a referendum, we voted to regain control of our country, we must leave.
Yep!
The Ballot Paper was simple enough to read...
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:12 pm
Bananas wrote:dogfound wrote:Bananas wrote:100% referendum again. A strong Wales in a strong Europe ASAP please and less/no dependence on the English
#welshandeuropean
(Bbbbrrrrrr....cold up here in Brecon this morning )
i think Wales is much weaker since the comedy club opened down the bay too...new referndum and all those ap Gwilym people can go back to burning houses in Ceredigion
Of course that's the response we expect from thickos just like you. Oh the uneducated and brainwashed.....bless.
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:19 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Sven wrote:Jock wrote:The Democratic process is being subverted in our country. We had a referendum, we voted to regain control of our country, we must leave.
Yep!
The Ballot Paper was simple enough to read...
Sven I always laugh when I hear some moaning Remainer state that so and so wasn't on the ballot paper . Just how long did they want the ballot paper to be?
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:28 pm
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:42 pm
2blue2handle wrote:So what if we have another vote and people vote to remain.
That takes it at 1-1 do we have another and final one
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:45 pm
2blue2handle wrote:So what if we have another vote and people vote to remain.
That takes it at 1-1 do we have another and final one
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:54 pm
dogfound wrote:Bananas wrote:dogfound wrote:Bananas wrote:100% referendum again. A strong Wales in a strong Europe ASAP please and less/no dependence on the English
#welshandeuropean
(Bbbbrrrrrr....cold up here in Brecon this morning )
i think Wales is much weaker since the comedy club opened down the bay too...new referndum and all those ap Gwilym people can go back to burning houses in Ceredigion
Of course that's the response we expect from thickos just like you. Oh the uneducated and brainwashed.....bless.
your cold in Brecon..give the FWA a ring ,be warm in no time.
Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:11 pm
Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:23 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:In one sense your correct of course but the wording of that ballot paper is to blame in my view.Not only that but everyone on this thread seems to be ignoring the fact that no deal whatsoever can be done without taking account of the Good Friday agreement,something that was not considered when drawing up the wording of this ballot paper.I would like to see what plans Boris,JRM and the other hard line brexiteers have for this problem because a boarder of any kind contravenes the law as set out in the GFA.Sven wrote:The truth is we voted 'out' in its simplest form and that is what needs to be delivered
The question was a simple one (see below) and they now need to honour the will of the people. A second Referendum would be abhorrent and an affront to democracy
Some say we are more informed now but that isn't the case. We still don't 'know' the facts of what is to come, as the real negotiation is still to be carried out. There are currently no promises, no guarantees and no consensus amongst either party in both the UK and in the EU
The people (by the simple and democratic majority vote required) made a decision and it's time to honour it...
Several times technology has been suggested as a solution to the Northern Ireland border but the EU reject this because they believe the technology doesn't exist. That might be true now but if technology can be developed to send spaceships and lander's to Mars then surely it can be developed for customs checks at the Ulster border?
Also JRM/Boris etc. have always said they have no intention of erecting a hard border between North/South Ireland it is the EU which wants a hard border to 'protect the integrity of the single market'
Therefore if we leave with a no deal and the a hard border appears in Ireland then it would be due to the EU and they would be the ones guilty of breaking the Belfast Agreement
Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:41 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:In one sense your correct of course but the wording of that ballot paper is to blame in my view.Not only that but everyone on this thread seems to be ignoring the fact that no deal whatsoever can be done without taking account of the Good Friday agreement,something that was not considered when drawing up the wording of this ballot paper.I would like to see what plans Boris,JRM and the other hard line brexiteers have for this problem because a boarder of any kind contravenes the law as set out in the GFA.Sven wrote:The truth is we voted 'out' in its simplest form and that is what needs to be delivered
The question was a simple one (see below) and they now need to honour the will of the people. A second Referendum would be abhorrent and an affront to democracy
Some say we are more informed now but that isn't the case. We still don't 'know' the facts of what is to come, as the real negotiation is still to be carried out. There are currently no promises, no guarantees and no consensus amongst either party in both the UK and in the EU
The people (by the simple and democratic majority vote required) made a decision and it's time to honour it...
Several times technology has been suggested as a solution to the Northern Ireland border but the EU reject this because they believe the technology doesn't exist. That might be true now but if technology can be developed to send spaceships and lander's to Mars then surely it can be developed for customs checks at the Ulster border?
Also JRM/Boris etc. have always said they have no intention of erecting a hard border between North/South Ireland it is the EU which wants a hard border to 'protect the integrity of the single market'
Therefore if we leave with a no deal and the a hard border appears in Ireland then it would be due to the EU and they would be the ones guilty of breaking the Belfast Agreement
Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:59 pm
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:03 pm
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:16 pm
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:18 pm
alexc wrote:If the people want Brexit then what is there to fear about a 2nd referendum?
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:26 pm
Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:06 pm
captbirdseye wrote:The Sir Ivan Rogers speech pretty much sums up the mess we are in.
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2018/12/13 ... on-brexit/
Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:23 pm
snoopystorm wrote:We voted, result was Out, end of, can’t change it.....,
If there is a 2nd referendum then there also has to be a public vote of no confidence in the Government and the voting system. It will prove that our voices mean sod all
Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:32 pm
alexc wrote:If the people want Brexit then what is there to fear about a 2nd referendum?
Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:46 pm
Cardiff dyskinesia wrote:RhiwEbbwBluebird wrote:Interested in hearing other peoples opinion on this? Seems a lot of politicians and the mainstream media are pushing for this big time now as theresa mays deal looks unlikely going through parliament.
For me it was be an absolout insult to the british people and i think it would be basically living under dictatorship and not a democracy. Would it spark outrage and riots from the people if this happened? Rioting against a dictatorship government who have conned the people would be what is needed and would be great imo. Opinions?
First of all, Leave conned the electorate there's no doubt. Secondly, you seem to want to deny people, who are now more educated on brexit a say on their future, and you think that's democracy? Your argument is absurd. Don't you realise the government can't deliver it without damaging the country?