ALL UPDATED INFO (24/01/19) regarding Burhou Island

A spokeswoman said "During the search, reports of sightings of red flares were relayed by Guernsey Coastguard near to the island of Burhou, however nothing of significance was found"
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1075987/emiliano-sala-plane-missing-cardiff-city-guernsey-piper-malibu-latest-alderney

Now I'm reading reports that they were AROUND the island, shining big lights/torches (Whatever they were shining, let's assume it's something very bright for the sake of arguement) and that they did that for 30 minutes...
https://twitter.com/AnnisAbraham/status/1088211897541890048

If they've just dragged themselves out of the water and fought for their lives potentially, SURELY they might be out cold in a deep sleep out of exhaustion, or failing that, they could have just been warming up, not seen the lights for 30 minutes, and the sound of the wind and waves crashing could have easily canceled out any calls for them.

Even if you believe that doing that for 30 minutes was enough (Which it wasn't). They didn't go too near there *POSSIBLY* as they may have been wary of the fact it is illegal to trespass as it was a protected island for endangered birds. <- I will just like to say I do not KNOW if it is Illegal, I'm getting mixed reports... So for the sake of arguement let's say it is not illegal...
Also the official report saying "We checked the island but only for 30 minutes as we were rushed to another location"
Only 30 minutes AROUND an island? Really?

Then we find out that Burhou Island actually has a live feed with multiple cameras. When you check the website though the cameras are off for the winter..
Somebody has contacted AlderneyWT (Who are in charge of the web cams) and they responded to a tweet asking them to switch the web cams on saying "Hi Joshua, such sad news but unfortunately our cameras come off the island over winter so we can’t help, they take weeks to set up and we don’t have all the parts for 2019 yet." (Link) https://twitter.com/Heatho93/status/1088181530571300883
https://imgur.com/a/JLXMUkf


Everything pointing towards the island, I.E how near the island was to where the plane likely landed, and the multiple pictures of the flares taken on the first morning of the accident, are being constantly turned away and not by facts, just by unsatsifying responses like "they checked for 30 minutes, BUT NOT ON FOOT", and that they haven't even been there at all other than that for 2 days?? And the one thing we could do with which is the CCTV which is usually set up on the island (but not in winter time) is off, and when asked to put back on it's "not that simple".

Why does everyone and everything that could give us atleast some answers, just leave us with more questions.

Just to be clear, this isn't a conspiracy post, this is a why is every question being given an unsatisfying answer where they definetely could have and could do more...


However. I'm going to end it like this.

If you've skipped most of this message, at least read this part. Why is the reports and pictures of the flares being played down or not even mentioned at all? I haven't seen a SINGLE report on the british news, wether it's BBC, ITV or Sky News (And Sky Sports News) that has even mentioned any flares at all. Why? What's going on? Can anyone tell me why they can't even mention it even if it's just to say "It has nothing to do with Emiliano 'BECAUSE'..."

Is it just me wondering that?!

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It's strange and we need people on foot there tomorrow to look for them both

Top post, I'm thinking the same thing. What do they think the flairs were from? A puffin with a flair gun? I'm so angry, the ONLY decent lead and it's being played down. We will just go shine a light on it then ignore it from then on. When people raise questions on the police fb page they reply with don't you think we know about the island? We are not saying that we are saying fully check the f*cking island. Its almost like they are very unprofessionally getting defensive because ultimately we are questioning their ability. But we have a right to if they ignore flares. At least contact those that took the picture, go to the point where the picture was taken, get a baring and investigate, if it doesn't point to the island, analyze current direction and search past that island, the first search I understand had to be over water because if they were in the water the window of survival was low, but I can't help feel the whole thing is a bit understaffed especially as time is of the essence, I thought because we are desperate that we are expecting too much, but surely more people would be involved in the search for a public figure. A couple of planes and a boat. I dunno I'm just hurting I guess and you unfortunately can't tell people how to do their jobs, anyone got a boat in Penarth marina? Rally the troops

Incredible that 6 flares set off tge morning after a catostrophe , surely the area should be concentrated on.
Who else could have set off the flares in the islands?

Something shady has gone here and I think it’s been heavily covered up, DO THEY want Emiliano dead?

Don’t mean to sound heartless but this is an absolute disgrace, wtf are these coast guards and authorities playing at.

There is no conspiracy here, its just a tragic accident. The most likely explanation for that photo is aeroplane vapour trails, that's if its not indeed a hoax.

6 of them ?

There is no conspiracy here, its just a tragic accident. The most likely explanation for that photo is aeroplane vapour trails, that's if its not indeed a hoax.

Airplane vapours are straight, these trails are all over the place like they’ve been shot at velocity and carried in the wind

There is no conspiracy here, its just a tragic accident. The most likely explanation for that photo is aeroplane vapour trails, that's if its not indeed a hoax.

Airplane vapours are straight, these trails are all over the place like they’ve been shot at velocity and carried in the wind

Yes see vapour trails all the time here but not always straight line but not as crooked as shown! Having said that distress rockets if used certainly would not make such trail either, the camera does lie and in this instance suspect that's case in respect at what we are looking at., Seen distress rockets used by RNLI and they don't make such large trails plus would they have used six in one go as in picture? But very odd story if true

If they are found on this island alive or sadly dead question must be asked on why it wasn't searched by land

Surely whoever took the photo has come forward for verification?

Cant believe there is no sign of wreckage as if it descended uncontrolled surely it would have broken up on impact.

Surely whoever took the photo has come forward for verification?

Cant believe there is no sign of wreckage as if it descended uncontrolled surely it would have broken up on impact.

They know roughly area it crashed so you would imagine wreckage will be seen? As for picture if there was rockets used they would not use 6 in one go you wait until search craft are nearby and the trails look to big and long for distress rockets having seen them fired,

Can't we do something about searching this Island by foot ?!
An island near where the plane was last seen on radar, flares seen the following morning and its not been searched by foot. Surely it has to be searched thoroughly ? specially when it has a building, thats where id be.
We all need to get together in this and make sure it is.

Keep the faith

Surely whoever took the photo has come forward for verification?

Cant believe there is no sign of wreckage as if it descended uncontrolled surely it would have broken up on impact.

They know roughly area it crashed so you would imagine wreckage will be seen? As for picture if there was rockets used they would not use 6 in one go you wait until search craft are nearby and the trails look to big and long for distress rockets having seen them fired,

Think people need to look up what kind rockets could have been used and you will see that they would not make the trails shown in picture! If you presume they had anything on board they would be parachute flares with very limited hight and flight time or more likely hand held flares which tend to be standard equipment.

Can the island be searched by foot or would it be trespassing. I'd love to be able to hire out a boat and go search their myself though I don't think that would be possible. Shame we couldn't all hire a boat. Get a few lads on here down there and go searching all the islands by foot ourselves!!

I would have thought if the aircraft had descended to 2600 feet and suffered engine failure, the pilot would have had more than enough time to send out a distress call signalling his intentions to try and ditch the plane either in the water or on land. The fact this did not happen, and the plane apparently just disappeared off the radar surely suggests that something catastrophic happened while in flight. Personally, I could never see this having the outcome we all hoped for. I think there is every possibility that the aircraft either broke up mid air, or plummeted those couple of thousand feet giving the pilot no time to send out a distress call. Just an opinion like many others have had, but all aeroplanes will stay airborne for a time without power, and the absence of any indication of a problem from the pilot suggest that there was little time to react.

I would have thought if the aircraft had descended to 2600 feet and suffered engine failure, the pilot would have had more than enough time to send out a distress call signalling his intentions to try and ditch the plane either in the water or on land. The fact this did not happen, and the plane apparently just disappeared off the radar surely suggests that something catastrophic happened while in flight. Personally, I could never see this having the outcome we all hoped for. I think there is every possibility that the aircraft either broke up mid air, or plummeted those couple of thousand feet giving the pilot no time to send out a distress call. Just an opinion like many others have had, but all aeroplanes will stay airborne for a time without power, and the absence of any indication of a problem from the pilot suggest that there was little time to react.

Yea have to agree, the common idea is that the plane was freezing up hence reason for decent. Guessing he didnt have time to radio mayday in trying to save them both and the plane.

Not trying ot be a scumbag but just looking at the conditions and shit, even if they got out they would of been wet and its been around -1 - 0c in Cardiff last few days, must of been similar their.

The subject has turned to conspiracy sooner than I expected.
I actually agree that there are worrying inconsistencies, although it's too soon to start airing them too publicly in my opinion, and in any case it's not this.
I happened to be up late when I saw the reports of a missing plane and immediately knew it must either be him or someone from the club. I therefore communicated with a reporter I know and in addition to passing my suspicions on, stayed up monitoring anything I could discover nearly all night.
These apparent flares were reported and investigated very early and revealed nothing. By common law anyone can enter any place by force if necessary to preserve life, so there's no question that anyone would worry about trespassing . I should imagine that they can search with heat seeking equipment very effectively though ,and no doubt there'd have been plenty of fishing boats and small craft passing the island in daylight since then.
Don't start thinking that they deliberately missed them because that really would involve the complicity of far too many people.

More likely to have been a signal in some smuggling operation which was abandoned when they saw the helicopters. You might wonder who they were signalling to of course, but that's another matter.

I've been thinking about the island this morning and if there is any doubt at all we need to get people on it to search. We need to do anything that's possible, and I'm not saying this is, or is safe but we got to try to get over there. It can't be that hard to hire a boat. May get slaughtered or just being nieve but i need to do something if possible. I know I'm not the only one who feels like this

I would have thought if the aircraft had descended to 2600 feet and suffered engine failure, the pilot would have had more than enough time to send out a distress call signalling his intentions to try and ditch the plane either in the water or on land. The fact this did not happen, and the plane apparently just disappeared off the radar surely suggests that something catastrophic happened while in flight. Personally, I could never see this having the outcome we all hoped for. I think there is every possibility that the aircraft either broke up mid air, or plummeted those couple of thousand feet giving the pilot no time to send out a distress call. Just an opinion like many others have had, but all aeroplanes will stay airborne for a time without power, and the absence of any indication of a problem from the pilot suggest that there was little time to react.

Yea have to agree, the common idea is that the plane was freezing up hence reason for decent. Guessing he didnt have time to radio mayday in trying to save them both and the plane.

Not trying ot be a scumbag but just looking at the conditions and shit, even if they got out they would of been wet and its been around -1 - 0c in Cardiff last few days, must of been similar their.

What are called dead stick landings are part of the training for your PPL. All aircraft have a glide path, and dependent on height can travel for a number of miles before having to touch down. If this aeroplane simply lost power and was forced to ditch, you would have expected the pilot to send out a mayday call giving his co-ordinates so that rescue teams would know where the plane has come down. Similarly, any passengers would have had the time to at least send a text to their family or a loved one. No distress call combined with just vanishing off radar is not a good sign.

I've been thinking about the island this morning and if there is any doubt at all we need to get people on it to search. We need to do anything that's possible, and I'm not saying this is, or is safe but we got to try to get over there. It can't be that hard to hire a boat. May get slaughtered or just being nieve but i need to do something if possible. I know I'm not the only one who feels like this

No, you'd die trying to navigate those waters in a small craft if you weren't expert in the area. It's easily reached from military bases with specialist teams ready to recover pilots in hostile territory , so I'm sure they'd have been on the ground a long time ago if that was necessary . Maybe they have been but they don't make press statements generally .

I would have thought if the aircraft had descended to 2600 feet and suffered engine failure, the pilot would have had more than enough time to send out a distress call signalling his intentions to try and ditch the plane either in the water or on land. The fact this did not happen, and the plane apparently just disappeared off the radar surely suggests that something catastrophic happened while in flight. Personally, I could never see this having the outcome we all hoped for. I think there is every possibility that the aircraft either broke up mid air, or plummeted those couple of thousand feet giving the pilot no time to send out a distress call. Just an opinion like many others have had, but all aeroplanes will stay airborne for a time without power, and the absence of any indication of a problem from the pilot suggest that there was little time to react.

Yea have to agree, the common idea is that the plane was freezing up hence reason for decent. Guessing he didnt have time to radio mayday in trying to save them both and the plane.

Not trying ot be a scumbag but just looking at the conditions and shit, even if they got out they would of been wet and its been around -1 - 0c in Cardiff last few days, must of been similar their.

What are called dead stick landings are part of the training for your PPL. All aircraft have a glide path, and dependent on height can travel for a number of miles before having to touch down. If this aeroplane simply lost power and was forced to ditch, you would have expected the pilot to send out a mayday call giving his co-ordinates so that rescue teams would know where the plane has come down. Similarly, any passengers would have had the time to at least send a text to their family or a loved one. No distress call combined with just vanishing off radar is not a good sign.

Silly question, but could a complete loss of power not prevent the pilot from relaying any kind of mayday or coordinates? I would imagine their location/rapid change in altitude would also prevent mobile phones from getting any kind of signal. Having said that, I would’ve thought sending a text would be the last thing on their mind amongst preparation for a very sudden emergency landing at sea.

But then surely we could hire someone experienced to take us. Clutching at straws probably, But feel it needs searching by foot. And if no one else will it leaves it to us

I've been thinking about the island this morning and if there is any doubt at all we need to get people on it to search. We need to do anything that's possible, and I'm not saying this is, or is safe but we got to try to get over there. It can't be that hard to hire a boat. May get slaughtered or just being nieve but i need to do something if possible. I know I'm not the only one who feels like this

No, you'd die trying to navigate those waters in a small craft if you weren't expert in the area. It's easily reached from military bases with specialist teams ready to recover pilots in hostile territory , so I'm sure they'd have been on the ground a long time ago if that was necessary . Maybe they have been but they don't make press statements generally .

But then surely we could hire someone experienced to take us. Clutching at straws probably, But feel it needs searching by foot. And if no one else will it leaves it to us

I've been thinking about the island this morning and if there is any doubt at all we need to get people on it to search. We need to do anything that's possible, and I'm not saying this is, or is safe but we got to try to get over there. It can't be that hard to hire a boat. May get slaughtered or just being nieve but i need to do something if possible. I know I'm not the only one who feels like this

No, you'd die trying to navigate those waters in a small craft if you weren't expert in the area. It's easily reached from military bases with specialist teams ready to recover pilots in hostile territory , so I'm sure they'd have been on the ground a long time ago if that was necessary . Maybe they have been but they don't make press statements generally .

But then surely we could hire someone experienced to take us. Clutching at straws probably, But feel it needs searching by foot. And if no one else will it leaves it to us

I know your intentions are honourable and well-meaning but you're being extremely naive.

I would have thought if the aircraft had descended to 2600 feet and suffered engine failure, the pilot would have had more than enough time to send out a distress call signalling his intentions to try and ditch the plane either in the water or on land. The fact this did not happen, and the plane apparently just disappeared off the radar surely suggests that something catastrophic happened while in flight. Personally, I could never see this having the outcome we all hoped for. I think there is every possibility that the aircraft either broke up mid air, or plummeted those couple of thousand feet giving the pilot no time to send out a distress call. Just an opinion like many others have had, but all aeroplanes will stay airborne for a time without power, and the absence of any indication of a problem from the pilot suggest that there was little time to react.

Yea have to agree, the common idea is that the plane was freezing up hence reason for decent. Guessing he didnt have time to radio mayday in trying to save them both and the plane.

Not trying ot be a scumbag but just looking at the conditions and shit, even if they got out they would of been wet and its been around -1 - 0c in Cardiff last few days, must of been similar their.

What are called dead stick landings are part of the training for your PPL. All aircraft have a glide path, and dependent on height can travel for a number of miles before having to touch down. If this aeroplane simply lost power and was forced to ditch, you would have expected the pilot to send out a mayday call giving his co-ordinates so that rescue teams would know where the plane has come down. Similarly, any passengers would have had the time to at least send a text to their family or a loved one. No distress call combined with just vanishing off radar is not a good sign.

Silly question, but could a complete loss of power not prevent the pilot from relaying any kind of mayday or coordinates? I would imagine their location/rapid change in altitude would also prevent mobile phones from getting any kind of signal. Having said that, I would’ve thought sending a text would be the last thing on their mind amongst preparation for a very sudden emergency landing at sea.

You would expect that an aircraft undertaking this sort of journey would have a auxilliary air driven power unit for radio,instruments,lights etc in the event of a complete power failure failure. Not sure about mobile phone signals etc., they were'nt around in my day. However, I seem to remember mobile phones being used by passengers during previous emergencies as a way of saying goodbye to their loved ones. I am no expert, just an opinion. I started training for my PPL as I come from a family of aviation enthusiasts, three of whom were members of Cardiff Flying Club. I know dead stick landings were a favourite ploy as far as my instructor was concerned. Sadly, money and family commitments cut my flying days short, although I later took up the cheaper option of gliding. Things have moved on from those days, but even then, sudden loss of communications and disappearing from radar would have been a very bad sign. I know a few people who would think twice about flying over water in darkness in the middle of Winter in a small aircraft, but it is certainly not unheard of.

I would have thought if the aircraft had descended to 2600 feet and suffered engine failure, the pilot would have had more than enough time to send out a distress call signalling his intentions to try and ditch the plane either in the water or on land. The fact this did not happen, and the plane apparently just disappeared off the radar surely suggests that something catastrophic happened while in flight. Personally, I could never see this having the outcome we all hoped for. I think there is every possibility that the aircraft either broke up mid air, or plummeted those couple of thousand feet giving the pilot no time to send out a distress call. Just an opinion like many others have had, but all aeroplanes will stay airborne for a time without power, and the absence of any indication of a problem from the pilot suggest that there was little time to react.

Yea have to agree, the common idea is that the plane was freezing up hence reason for decent. Guessing he didnt have time to radio mayday in trying to save them both and the plane.

Not trying ot be a scumbag but just looking at the conditions and shit, even if they got out they would of been wet and its been around -1 - 0c in Cardiff last few days, must of been similar their.

What are called dead stick landings are part of the training for your PPL. All aircraft have a glide path, and dependent on height can travel for a number of miles before having to touch down. If this aeroplane simply lost power and was forced to ditch, you would have expected the pilot to send out a mayday call giving his co-ordinates so that rescue teams would know where the plane has come down. Similarly, any passengers would have had the time to at least send a text to their family or a loved one. No distress call combined with just vanishing off radar is not a good sign.

Silly question, but could a complete loss of power not prevent the pilot from relaying any kind of mayday or coordinates? I would imagine their location/rapid change in altitude would also prevent mobile phones from getting any kind of signal. Having said that, I would’ve thought sending a text would be the last thing on their mind amongst preparation for a very sudden emergency landing at sea.

You would expect that an aircraft undertaking this sort of journey would have a auxilliary air driven power unit for radio,instruments,lights etc in the event of a complete power failure failure. Not sure about mobile phone signals etc., they were'nt around in my day. However, I seem to remember mobile phones being used by passengers during previous emergencies as a way of saying goodbye to their loved ones. I am no expert, just an opinion. I started training for my PPL as I come from a family of aviation enthusiasts, three of whom were members of Cardiff Flying Club. I know dead stick landings were a favourite ploy as far as my instructor was concerned. Sadly, money and family commitments cut my flying days short, although I later took up the cheaper option of gliding. Things have moved on from those days, but even then, sudden loss of communications and disappearing from radar would have been a very bad sign. I know a few people who would think twice about flying over water in darkness in the middle of Winter in a small aircraft, but it is certainly not unheard of.

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1.20pm update

The island of Burhou has been searched by foot. No trace of the aircraft or those on board has been found.

Further information will be released once it is available.

I would have thought if the aircraft had descended to 2600 feet and suffered engine failure, the pilot would have had more than enough time to send out a distress call signalling his intentions to try and ditch the plane either in the water or on land. The fact this did not happen, and the plane apparently just disappeared off the radar surely suggests that something catastrophic happened while in flight. Personally, I could never see this having the outcome we all hoped for. I think there is every possibility that the aircraft either broke up mid air, or plummeted those couple of thousand feet giving the pilot no time to send out a distress call. Just an opinion like many others have had, but all aeroplanes will stay airborne for a time without power, and the absence of any indication of a problem from the pilot suggest that there was little time to react.

Yea have to agree, the common idea is that the plane was freezing up hence reason for decent. Guessing he didnt have time to radio mayday in trying to save them both and the plane.

Not trying ot be a scumbag but just looking at the conditions and shit, even if they got out they would of been wet and its been around -1 - 0c in Cardiff last few days, must of been similar their.

What are called dead stick landings are part of the training for your PPL. All aircraft have a glide path, and dependent on height can travel for a number of miles before having to touch down. If this aeroplane simply lost power and was forced to ditch, you would have expected the pilot to send out a mayday call giving his co-ordinates so that rescue teams would know where the plane has come down. Similarly, any passengers would have had the time to at least send a text to their family or a loved one. No distress call combined with just vanishing off radar is not a good sign.

Silly question, but could a complete loss of power not prevent the pilot from relaying any kind of mayday or coordinates? I would imagine their location/rapid change in altitude would also prevent mobile phones from getting any kind of signal. Having said that, I would’ve thought sending a text would be the last thing on their mind amongst preparation for a very sudden emergency landing at sea.

You would expect that an aircraft undertaking this sort of journey would have a auxilliary air driven power unit for radio,instruments,lights etc in the event of a complete power failure failure. Not sure about mobile phone signals etc., they were'nt around in my day. However, I seem to remember mobile phones being used by passengers during previous emergencies as a way of saying goodbye to their loved ones. I am no expert, just an opinion. I started training for my PPL as I come from a family of aviation enthusiasts, three of whom were members of Cardiff Flying Club. I know dead stick landings were a favourite ploy as far as my instructor was concerned. Sadly, money and family commitments cut my flying days short, although I later took up the cheaper option of gliding. Things have moved on from those days, but even then, sudden loss of communications and disappearing from radar would have been a very bad sign. I know a few people who would think twice about flying over water in darkness in the middle of Winter in a small aircraft, but it is certainly not unheard of.

Appreciate the insight!

No problem. All speculation though, we all have our own theories as to what may have happened, but no more than pure guesswork. Will just have to wait for the official investigation and verdict, although I am not sure if the true cause will ever be known. If the plane broke up, the wreckage could be scattered over a vast area, and from news reports, there are strong sea currents there which could make recovery of these parts even harder. Could be a long drawn out process.

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1.20pm update

The island of Burhou has been searched by foot. No trace of the aircraft or those on board has been found.

Further information will be released once it is available.


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Looking grim now