Fri May 09, 2014 3:31 pm
Fri May 09, 2014 3:43 pm
super kev legend wrote:I've always backed malky but got to say if this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... t-Ham.html. is true it doesn't look good for malky. No compo, paid his own legal fees and an apology.
Former Cardiff manager Malky Mackay has dropped his legal claim against the club after reaching a settlement on his sacking.
Mackay was dismissed in December after a difference of opinion with owner Vincent Tan about the direction of the club.
Sportsmail understands Mackay hasn't received any compensation and paid own legal fees, in addition to issuing apology.
Tan has since criticised Mackay’s efforts in preparing the side for the Premier League, but the Scot issued a conciliatory statement through lawyers today in which he apologised 'without reservation' to the Malaysian businessman.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z31EVomnI5
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Fri May 09, 2014 3:45 pm
Jules wrote:Former Cardiff City manager Malky Mackay withdraws legal claim against Cardiff City and a vast number of settlements are done out of court and a settlement has been done over his sacking.
Annis where in that statement does it say anything about settlements of sacking and a vast number of out of court settlements?
Have I missed something ?
Fri May 09, 2014 3:46 pm
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Fri May 09, 2014 4:33 pm
Sven wrote:Some pretty mixed responses to the statement from Malky on here today and (I guess) that is only to be expected depending on your original point of view on the 'sacking'
IF what Malky has stated PLUS if there is a fair percentage of FACT in the newspaper article, then it would initially appear (as he said it would) that Tan had "reasonable cause" to get rid of both Malky and Moodie
IF that is the case, then I sincerely hope that people can be man enough to accept that, as Malky appears to have done via his recent actions
However, from a personal stance, I can safely say that I liked Malky the manager and I liked Malky the character. I will ALWAYS be grateful to the manager that took our great club to the Premier League and I sincerely wish him the very best of luck at whichever club he manages in the future...Swansea apart, of course!
Time for Malky to move on...AND THE SAME FOR US!
Fri May 09, 2014 4:34 pm
Fri May 09, 2014 4:36 pm
CjBluebird17 wrote:Problem is I now really want to know what Tan had on Malky and Moody
Fri May 09, 2014 4:38 pm
Wayne S wrote:Malky & Moody's words are not your standard bland statements.
They seem excessively in favour of the club and Tan of all people.
The Daily Mail are also making a point of reporting no pay out and MM paying his own legal fees.
As some might say, Mmmmm.
Fri May 09, 2014 4:42 pm
castleblue wrote:Wayne S wrote:Malky & Moody's words are not your standard bland statements.
They seem excessively in favour of the club and Tan of all people.
The Daily Mail are also making a point of reporting no pay out and MM paying his own legal fees.
As some might say, Mmmmm.
Both statements are very carefully worded but both include reference to "Settlement Agreements" which used to be known as "Compromise Agreements" and are used as legal documents detailing the terms agreed to settle employment disputes. One thing is certain and that is the club has made a contribution to the legal costs for both MM and IM because they are required to do so. The club doesn't have to pay ALL legal expenses but they must make a contribution.
In MM statement he says that a "Settlement Agreement" has been reached on ALL claims which tells you that he had more than one claim against the club. I was told he had submitted multiple claims against the club, including constructive dismissal and breach of contract because the club failed to pay the notice period (1 years salary I was told).
Under the terms of his contract of employment he is entitled to be paid his notice period so I believe he has received that and I don't care what the Daily Mail says about Compensation because being paid his salary is a minimum requirement. I would bet money on it that within the "Settlement Agreement" is an Ex Gratia payment covering his other claims.
In each case it appears to me that both MM and IM have agreed to include reference in thier statements to some sort of public apology, in both cases they are qualified by "If's" and "Mights" and, in my opinion, are pretty much meaningless. Still when you have an ego like VT maybe he feels better because these statements have been made.
Fri May 09, 2014 4:42 pm
Fri May 09, 2014 4:48 pm
Sven wrote:Some pretty mixed responses to the statement from Malky on here today and (I guess) that is only to be expected depending on your original point of view on the 'sacking'
IF what Malky has stated PLUS if there is a fair percentage of FACT in the newspaper article, then it would initially appear (as he said it would) that Tan had "reasonable cause" to get rid of both Malky and Moodie
IF that is the case, then I sincerely hope that people can be man enough to accept that, as Malky appears to have done via his recent actions
However, from a personal stance, I can safely say that I liked Malky the manager and I liked Malky the character. I will ALWAYS be grateful to the manager that took our great club to the Premier League and I sincerely wish him the very best of luck at whichever club he manages in the future...Swansea apart, of course!
Time for Malky to move on...AND THE SAME FOR US!
Fri May 09, 2014 4:48 pm
BillyLiar wrote:Aye, no more Milky love ins please support our current manager for a change
Fri May 09, 2014 4:49 pm
castleblue wrote:Wayne S wrote:Malky & Moody's words are not your standard bland statements.
They seem excessively in favour of the club and Tan of all people.
The Daily Mail are also making a point of reporting no pay out and MM paying his own legal fees.
As some might say, Mmmmm.
Both statements are very carefully worded but both include reference to "Settlement Agreements" which used to be known as "Compromise Agreements" and are used as legal documents detailing the terms agreed to settle employment disputes. One thing is certain and that is the club has made a contribution to the legal costs for both MM and IM because they are required to do so. The club doesn't have to pay ALL legal expenses but they must make a contribution.
In MM statement he says that a "Settlement Agreement" has been reached on ALL claims which tells you that he had more than one claim against the club. I was told he had submitted multiple claims against the club, including constructive dismissal and breach of contract because the club failed to pay the notice period (1 years salary I was told).
Under the terms of his contract of employment he is entitled to be paid his notice period so I believe he has received that and I don't care what the Daily Mail says about Compensation because being paid his salary is a minimum requirement. I would bet money on it that within the "Settlement Agreement" is an Ex Gratia payment covering his other claims.
In each case it appears to me that both MM and IM have agreed to include reference in thier statements to some sort of public apology, in both cases they are qualified by "If's" and "Mights" and, in my opinion, are pretty much meaningless. Still when you have an ego like VT maybe he feels better because these statements have been made.
Fri May 09, 2014 4:50 pm
Mick the Lip wrote:Not a good idea to prolong an action against someone with a lot more money. Even if he eventually won Malky would have been out of pocket after paying his legal fees and if the action dragged out for a long time he would find it difficult getting back into the game at a decent level. Sensible decision to read out a pre-agreed PR statement and take Tan's cash!
Fri May 09, 2014 4:51 pm
theclaw wrote:Sven wrote:Some pretty mixed responses to the statement from Malky on here today and (I guess) that is only to be expected depending on your original point of view on the 'sacking'
IF what Malky has stated PLUS if there is a fair percentage of FACT in the newspaper article, then it would initially appear (as he said it would) that Tan had "reasonable cause" to get rid of both Malky and Moodie
IF that is the case, then I sincerely hope that people can be man enough to accept that, as Malky appears to have done via his recent actions
However, from a personal stance, I can safely say that I liked Malky the manager and I liked Malky the character. I will ALWAYS be grateful to the manager that took our great club to the Premier League and I sincerely wish him the very best of luck at whichever club he manages in the future...Swansea apart, of course!
Time for Malky to move on...AND THE SAME FOR US!
Well said Sven,its all in the past now.Lets all move on.
Fri May 09, 2014 4:53 pm
Mick the Lip wrote:Not a good idea to prolong an action against someone with a lot more money. Even if he eventually won Malky would have been out of pocket after paying his legal fees and if the action dragged out for a long time he would find it difficult getting back into the game at a decent level. Sensible decision to read out a pre-agreed PR statement and take Tan's cash!
Fri May 09, 2014 4:53 pm
Mick the Lip wrote:Not a good idea to prolong an action against someone with a lot more money. Even if he eventually won Malky would have been out of pocket after paying his legal fees and if the action dragged out for a long time he would find it difficult getting back into the game at a decent level. Sensible decision to read out a pre-agreed PR statement and take Tan's cash!
Fri May 09, 2014 4:56 pm
Mick the Lip wrote:Not a good idea to prolong an action against someone with a lot more money. Even if he eventually won Malky would have been out of pocket after paying his legal fees and if the action dragged out for a long time he would find it difficult getting back into the game at a decent level. Sensible decision to read out a pre-agreed PR statement and take Tan's cash!
Fri May 09, 2014 4:57 pm
simon.wiesenthal wrote:Mick the Lip wrote:Not a good idea to prolong an action against someone with a lot more money. Even if he eventually won Malky would have been out of pocket after paying his legal fees and if the action dragged out for a long time he would find it difficult getting back into the game at a decent level. Sensible decision to read out a pre-agreed PR statement and take Tan's cash!
the statements go well beyond the norm .. and why would he be out of the game?. taking one boss to court doesnt disqualify you from having another boss...........and how much cash?..the Mail says none
Fri May 09, 2014 4:59 pm
Chronicle wrote:castleblue wrote:Wayne S wrote:Malky & Moody's words are not your standard bland statements.
They seem excessively in favour of the club and Tan of all people.
The Daily Mail are also making a point of reporting no pay out and MM paying his own legal fees.
As some might say, Mmmmm.
Both statements are very carefully worded but both include reference to "Settlement Agreements" which used to be known as "Compromise Agreements" and are used as legal documents detailing the terms agreed to settle employment disputes. One thing is certain and that is the club has made a contribution to the legal costs for both MM and IM because they are required to do so. The club doesn't have to pay ALL legal expenses but they must make a contribution.
In MM statement he says that a "Settlement Agreement" has been reached on ALL claims which tells you that he had more than one claim against the club. I was told he had submitted multiple claims against the club, including constructive dismissal and breach of contract because the club failed to pay the notice period (1 years salary I was told).
Under the terms of his contract of employment he is entitled to be paid his notice period so I believe he has received that and I don't care what the Daily Mail says about Compensation because being paid his salary is a minimum requirement. I would bet money on it that within the "Settlement Agreement" is an Ex Gratia payment covering his other claims.
In each case it appears to me that both MM and IM have agreed to include reference in thier statements to some sort of public apology, in both cases they are qualified by "If's" and "Mights" and, in my opinion, are pretty much meaningless. Still when you have an ego like VT maybe he feels better because these statements have been made.
Not in the case of gross misconduct
Fri May 09, 2014 5:13 pm
castleblue wrote:Chronicle wrote:castleblue wrote:Wayne S wrote:Malky & Moody's words are not your standard bland statements.
They seem excessively in favour of the club and Tan of all people.
The Daily Mail are also making a point of reporting no pay out and MM paying his own legal fees.
As some might say, Mmmmm.
Both statements are very carefully worded but both include reference to "Settlement Agreements" which used to be known as "Compromise Agreements" and are used as legal documents detailing the terms agreed to settle employment disputes. One thing is certain and that is the club has made a contribution to the legal costs for both MM and IM because they are required to do so. The club doesn't have to pay ALL legal expenses but they must make a contribution.
In MM statement he says that a "Settlement Agreement" has been reached on ALL claims which tells you that he had more than one claim against the club. I was told he had submitted multiple claims against the club, including constructive dismissal and breach of contract because the club failed to pay the notice period (1 years salary I was told).
Under the terms of his contract of employment he is entitled to be paid his notice period so I believe he has received that and I don't care what the Daily Mail says about Compensation because being paid his salary is a minimum requirement. I would bet money on it that within the "Settlement Agreement" is an Ex Gratia payment covering his other claims.
In each case it appears to me that both MM and IM have agreed to include reference in thier statements to some sort of public apology, in both cases they are qualified by "If's" and "Mights" and, in my opinion, are pretty much meaningless. Still when you have an ego like VT maybe he feels better because these statements have been made.
Not in the case of gross misconduct
Are you saying MM was guilty of gross misconduct If that was the case then for an employer that is the easiest case to defend but here the club have chosen to enter into a "Settlement Agreement" rather than defend thier action.
Look both parties have agreed on a settlement and, in my opinion, that's the very best outcome for the club. But I believe that the club having decided to settle has made a contribution to the legal costs of both MM and IM.
Fri May 09, 2014 5:16 pm
simon.wiesenthal wrote:castleblue wrote:Chronicle wrote:castleblue wrote:Wayne S wrote:Malky & Moody's words are not your standard bland statements.
They seem excessively in favour of the club and Tan of all people.
The Daily Mail are also making a point of reporting no pay out and MM paying his own legal fees.
As some might say, Mmmmm.
Both statements are very carefully worded but both include reference to "Settlement Agreements" which used to be known as "Compromise Agreements" and are used as legal documents detailing the terms agreed to settle employment disputes. One thing is certain and that is the club has made a contribution to the legal costs for both MM and IM because they are required to do so. The club doesn't have to pay ALL legal expenses but they must make a contribution.
In MM statement he says that a "Settlement Agreement" has been reached on ALL claims which tells you that he had more than one claim against the club. I was told he had submitted multiple claims against the club, including constructive dismissal and breach of contract because the club failed to pay the notice period (1 years salary I was told).
Under the terms of his contract of employment he is entitled to be paid his notice period so I believe he has received that and I don't care what the Daily Mail says about Compensation because being paid his salary is a minimum requirement. I would bet money on it that within the "Settlement Agreement" is an Ex Gratia payment covering his other claims.
In each case it appears to me that both MM and IM have agreed to include reference in thier statements to some sort of public apology, in both cases they are qualified by "If's" and "Mights" and, in my opinion, are pretty much meaningless. Still when you have an ego like VT maybe he feels better because these statements have been made.
Not in the case of gross misconduct
Are you saying MM was guilty of gross misconduct If that was the case then for an employer that is the easiest case to defend but here the club have chosen to enter into a "Settlement Agreement" rather than defend thier action.
Look both parties have agreed on a settlement and, in my opinion, that's the very best outcome for the club. But I believe that the club having decided to settle has made a contribution to the legal costs of both MM and IM.
it was Malky taking the club to court,not the other way around........if he offered to drop the case and give an apology..Tan had nothing to defend..and where does the contribution to legal fees come into it?
if your just going to make things up......go for it......tan offered him a trip to mars, his own jet.ffs
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