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Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 3:31 pm

I've always backed malky but got to say if this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... t-Ham.html. is true it doesn't look good for malky. No compo, paid his own legal fees and an apology. :o


Former Cardiff manager Malky Mackay has dropped his legal claim against the club after reaching a settlement on his sacking.
Mackay was dismissed in December after a difference of opinion with owner Vincent Tan about the direction of the club.
Sportsmail understands Mackay hasn't received any compensation and paid own legal fees, in addition to issuing apology.
Tan has since criticised Mackay’s efforts in preparing the side for the Premier League, but the Scot issued a conciliatory statement through lawyers today in which he apologised 'without reservation' to the Malaysian businessman.


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Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 3:43 pm

super kev legend wrote:I've always backed malky but got to say if this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... t-Ham.html. is true it doesn't look good for malky. No compo, paid his own legal fees and an apology. :o


Former Cardiff manager Malky Mackay has dropped his legal claim against the club after reaching a settlement on his sacking.
Mackay was dismissed in December after a difference of opinion with owner Vincent Tan about the direction of the club.
Sportsmail understands Mackay hasn't received any compensation and paid own legal fees, in addition to issuing apology.
Tan has since criticised Mackay’s efforts in preparing the side for the Premier League, but the Scot issued a conciliatory statement through lawyers today in which he apologised 'without reservation' to the Malaysian businessman.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z31EVomnI5
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Wow if that's true then Tan had Malky by the bollox.....all points to sculldugary.

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 3:45 pm

Jules wrote:Former Cardiff City manager Malky Mackay withdraws legal claim against Cardiff City and a vast number of settlements are done out of court and a settlement has been done over his sacking.

Annis where in that statement does it say anything about settlements of sacking and a vast number of out of court settlements?

Have I missed something ?


Who the hell wrote that.

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 3:46 pm

no doubt some on here will find a defence that his lawyers have failed to do.

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 3:56 pm

moodie statement :

I have today reached a final settlement agreement with Cardiff City Football Club and am very pleased that all parties will now be able to make a clean break and move on.

Wherever mistakes were made during my time at the club, I wish to apologise for any part that I played in them, and for any offence I might have caused, particularly to Tan Sri Vincent Tan and all City fans.

My two and a half years at the club were amongst the most enjoyable and stimulating of my career and I would like to take this opportunity to thank Mr Tan and the club’s board for the support they showed me during that time.

There is no doubt that Mr Tan’s significant investment in the club was decisive in our success of reaching the Premier League so my personal thanks are particularly directed to him.

During our time living in Wales, the warmth and appreciation that my family and I received was truly special so I would also thank all City fans for making our memories of the place so fond.

I wish you all the best for the future.

I will be making no further comment.

Iain Moody

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:17 pm

Malky & Moody's words are not your standard bland statements.

They seem excessively in favour of the club and Tan of all people.

The Daily Mail are also making a point of reporting no pay out and MM paying his own legal fees.

As some might say, Mmmmm.

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:20 pm

Some pretty mixed responses to the statement from Malky on here today and (I guess) that is only to be expected depending on your original point of view on the 'sacking'

IF what Malky has stated PLUS if there is a fair percentage of FACT in the newspaper article, then it would initially appear (as he said it would) that Tan had "reasonable cause" to get rid of both Malky and Moodie

IF that is the case, then I sincerely hope that people can be man enough to accept that, as Malky appears to have done via his recent actions

However, from a personal stance, I can safely say that I liked Malky the manager and I liked Malky the character. I will ALWAYS be grateful to the manager that took our great club to the Premier League and I sincerely wish him the very best of luck at whichever club he manages in the future...Swansea apart, of course! :laughing6:

Time for Malky to move on...AND THE SAME FOR US! :thumbup: :bluescarf:

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:32 pm

Aye, no more Milky love ins please support our current manager for a change :thumbup:

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:32 pm

Sportsmail understands Mackay hasn't received any compensation and paid own legal fees, in addition to issuing apology.


Tan had him by the bollocks then! Game set match Tan.

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:33 pm

Sven wrote:Some pretty mixed responses to the statement from Malky on here today and (I guess) that is only to be expected depending on your original point of view on the 'sacking'

IF what Malky has stated PLUS if there is a fair percentage of FACT in the newspaper article, then it would initially appear (as he said it would) that Tan had "reasonable cause" to get rid of both Malky and Moodie

IF that is the case, then I sincerely hope that people can be man enough to accept that, as Malky appears to have done via his recent actions

However, from a personal stance, I can safely say that I liked Malky the manager and I liked Malky the character. I will ALWAYS be grateful to the manager that took our great club to the Premier League and I sincerely wish him the very best of luck at whichever club he manages in the future...Swansea apart, of course! :laughing6:

Time for Malky to move on...AND THE SAME FOR US! :thumbup: :bluescarf:


Well said Sven,its all in the past now.Lets all move on.

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:34 pm

Problem is I now really want to know what Tan had on Malky and Moody :lol:

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:36 pm

CjBluebird17 wrote:Problem is I now really want to know what Tan had on Malky and Moody :lol:

Patience,I'm sure the truth will be leaked soon enough ;)

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:38 pm

Wayne S wrote:Malky & Moody's words are not your standard bland statements.

They seem excessively in favour of the club and Tan of all people.

The Daily Mail are also making a point of reporting no pay out and MM paying his own legal fees.

As some might say, Mmmmm.


Both statements are very carefully worded but both include reference to "Settlement Agreements" which used to be known as "Compromise Agreements" and are used as legal documents detailing the terms agreed to settle employment disputes. One thing is certain and that is the club has made a contribution to the legal costs for both MM and IM because they are required to do so. The club doesn't have to pay ALL legal expenses but they must make a contribution.

In MM statement he says that a "Settlement Agreement" has been reached on ALL claims which tells you that he had more than one claim against the club. I was told he had submitted multiple claims against the club, including constructive dismissal and breach of contract because the club failed to pay the notice period (1 years salary I was told).

Under the terms of his contract of employment he is entitled to be paid his notice period so I believe he has received that and I don't care what the Daily Mail says about Compensation because being paid his salary is a minimum requirement. I would bet money on it that within the "Settlement Agreement" is an Ex Gratia payment covering his other claims.

In each case it appears to me that both MM and IM have agreed to include reference in thier statements to some sort of public apology, in both cases they are qualified by "If's" and "Mights" and, in my opinion, are pretty much meaningless. Still when you have an ego like VT maybe he feels better because these statements have been made.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:42 pm

castleblue wrote:
Wayne S wrote:Malky & Moody's words are not your standard bland statements.

They seem excessively in favour of the club and Tan of all people.

The Daily Mail are also making a point of reporting no pay out and MM paying his own legal fees.

As some might say, Mmmmm.


Both statements are very carefully worded but both include reference to "Settlement Agreements" which used to be known as "Compromise Agreements" and are used as legal documents detailing the terms agreed to settle employment disputes. One thing is certain and that is the club has made a contribution to the legal costs for both MM and IM because they are required to do so. The club doesn't have to pay ALL legal expenses but they must make a contribution.

In MM statement he says that a "Settlement Agreement" has been reached on ALL claims which tells you that he had more than one claim against the club. I was told he had submitted multiple claims against the club, including constructive dismissal and breach of contract because the club failed to pay the notice period (1 years salary I was told).

Under the terms of his contract of employment he is entitled to be paid his notice period so I believe he has received that and I don't care what the Daily Mail says about Compensation because being paid his salary is a minimum requirement. I would bet money on it that within the "Settlement Agreement" is an Ex Gratia payment covering his other claims.

In each case it appears to me that both MM and IM have agreed to include reference in thier statements to some sort of public apology, in both cases they are qualified by "If's" and "Mights" and, in my opinion, are pretty much meaningless. Still when you have an ego like VT maybe he feels better because these statements have been made.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

why apologise at all?

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:42 pm

Not a good idea to prolong an action against someone with a lot more money. Even if he eventually won Malky would have been out of pocket after paying his legal fees and if the action dragged out for a long time he would find it difficult getting back into the game at a decent level. Sensible decision to read out a pre-agreed PR statement and take Tan's cash!

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:48 pm

Sven wrote:Some pretty mixed responses to the statement from Malky on here today and (I guess) that is only to be expected depending on your original point of view on the 'sacking'

IF what Malky has stated PLUS if there is a fair percentage of FACT in the newspaper article, then it would initially appear (as he said it would) that Tan had "reasonable cause" to get rid of both Malky and Moodie

IF that is the case, then I sincerely hope that people can be man enough to accept that, as Malky appears to have done via his recent actions

However, from a personal stance, I can safely say that I liked Malky the manager and I liked Malky the character. I will ALWAYS be grateful to the manager that took our great club to the Premier League and I sincerely wish him the very best of luck at whichever club he manages in the future...Swansea apart, of course! :laughing6:

Time for Malky to move on...AND THE SAME FOR US! :thumbup: :bluescarf:


Superb statement Sven!!!

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:48 pm

BillyLiar wrote:Aye, no more Milky love ins please support our current manager for a change :thumbup:


Should be good :thumbup:

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:49 pm

castleblue wrote:
Wayne S wrote:Malky & Moody's words are not your standard bland statements.

They seem excessively in favour of the club and Tan of all people.

The Daily Mail are also making a point of reporting no pay out and MM paying his own legal fees.

As some might say, Mmmmm.


Both statements are very carefully worded but both include reference to "Settlement Agreements" which used to be known as "Compromise Agreements" and are used as legal documents detailing the terms agreed to settle employment disputes. One thing is certain and that is the club has made a contribution to the legal costs for both MM and IM because they are required to do so. The club doesn't have to pay ALL legal expenses but they must make a contribution.

In MM statement he says that a "Settlement Agreement" has been reached on ALL claims which tells you that he had more than one claim against the club. I was told he had submitted multiple claims against the club, including constructive dismissal and breach of contract because the club failed to pay the notice period (1 years salary I was told).

Under the terms of his contract of employment he is entitled to be paid his notice period so I believe he has received that and I don't care what the Daily Mail says about Compensation because being paid his salary is a minimum requirement. I would bet money on it that within the "Settlement Agreement" is an Ex Gratia payment covering his other claims.

In each case it appears to me that both MM and IM have agreed to include reference in thier statements to some sort of public apology, in both cases they are qualified by "If's" and "Mights" and, in my opinion, are pretty much meaningless. Still when you have an ego like VT maybe he feels better because these statements have been made.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Not in the case of gross misconduct

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:50 pm

Mick the Lip wrote:Not a good idea to prolong an action against someone with a lot more money. Even if he eventually won Malky would have been out of pocket after paying his legal fees and if the action dragged out for a long time he would find it difficult getting back into the game at a decent level. Sensible decision to read out a pre-agreed PR statement and take Tan's cash!


What cash. Have you ever seen a person offer a " unreserved apology" for being right. Certainly never seen it from a sacked football manager. If the apology is on account of payment the man has no dignity anyway. Read it anyway of want it.
Hate Tan by all means but don't leave it cloud your judgement.

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:51 pm

theclaw wrote:
Sven wrote:Some pretty mixed responses to the statement from Malky on here today and (I guess) that is only to be expected depending on your original point of view on the 'sacking'

IF what Malky has stated PLUS if there is a fair percentage of FACT in the newspaper article, then it would initially appear (as he said it would) that Tan had "reasonable cause" to get rid of both Malky and Moodie

IF that is the case, then I sincerely hope that people can be man enough to accept that, as Malky appears to have done via his recent actions

However, from a personal stance, I can safely say that I liked Malky the manager and I liked Malky the character. I will ALWAYS be grateful to the manager that took our great club to the Premier League and I sincerely wish him the very best of luck at whichever club he manages in the future...Swansea apart, of course! :laughing6:

Time for Malky to move on...AND THE SAME FOR US! :thumbup: :bluescarf:


Well said Sven,its all in the past now.Lets all move on.






Thanks, but one thing that has crossed my mind is whether Malky has effectively "apologised" for not realising Tan was correct in his sacking of Moodi rather than Malky himself? :?

Either way, we may never know now (confidentiality clauses, etc.) and it is indeed time to move on :thumbup:

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:53 pm

Mick the Lip wrote:Not a good idea to prolong an action against someone with a lot more money. Even if he eventually won Malky would have been out of pocket after paying his legal fees and if the action dragged out for a long time he would find it difficult getting back into the game at a decent level. Sensible decision to read out a pre-agreed PR statement and take Tan's cash!


But you don't pay your fees if you win and Malky did not get any payment.

Or did he. Totally confused now. Just good that its over for both parties.

Now Malky can get back to work and Tan can do the debt to equity.

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:53 pm

Mick the Lip wrote:Not a good idea to prolong an action against someone with a lot more money. Even if he eventually won Malky would have been out of pocket after paying his legal fees and if the action dragged out for a long time he would find it difficult getting back into the game at a decent level. Sensible decision to read out a pre-agreed PR statement and take Tan's cash!


the statements go well beyond the norm .. and why would he be out of the game?. taking one boss to court doesnt disqualify you from having another boss...........and how much cash?..the Mail says none

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:56 pm

Mick the Lip wrote:Not a good idea to prolong an action against someone with a lot more money. Even if he eventually won Malky would have been out of pocket after paying his legal fees and if the action dragged out for a long time he would find it difficult getting back into the game at a decent level. Sensible decision to read out a pre-agreed PR statement and take Tan's cash!

Exactly..........A pre-agreed PR statement If Tan had something on Malky he would have had his lawyers pursue it to the end. MM wants to move on and I repeat; the word he used was IF

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:57 pm

simon.wiesenthal wrote:
Mick the Lip wrote:Not a good idea to prolong an action against someone with a lot more money. Even if he eventually won Malky would have been out of pocket after paying his legal fees and if the action dragged out for a long time he would find it difficult getting back into the game at a decent level. Sensible decision to read out a pre-agreed PR statement and take Tan's cash!


the statements go well beyond the norm .. and why would he be out of the game?. taking one boss to court doesnt disqualify you from having another boss...........and how much cash?..the Mail says none

Hmmmmm, has someone been a naughty boy I wonder? Looks like a case of feck off with yer tail between yer legs get down on yer knees and grovel to me and I wont spill the beans and finish your career :o

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 4:59 pm

Chronicle wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Wayne S wrote:Malky & Moody's words are not your standard bland statements.

They seem excessively in favour of the club and Tan of all people.

The Daily Mail are also making a point of reporting no pay out and MM paying his own legal fees.

As some might say, Mmmmm.


Both statements are very carefully worded but both include reference to "Settlement Agreements" which used to be known as "Compromise Agreements" and are used as legal documents detailing the terms agreed to settle employment disputes. One thing is certain and that is the club has made a contribution to the legal costs for both MM and IM because they are required to do so. The club doesn't have to pay ALL legal expenses but they must make a contribution.

In MM statement he says that a "Settlement Agreement" has been reached on ALL claims which tells you that he had more than one claim against the club. I was told he had submitted multiple claims against the club, including constructive dismissal and breach of contract because the club failed to pay the notice period (1 years salary I was told).

Under the terms of his contract of employment he is entitled to be paid his notice period so I believe he has received that and I don't care what the Daily Mail says about Compensation because being paid his salary is a minimum requirement. I would bet money on it that within the "Settlement Agreement" is an Ex Gratia payment covering his other claims.

In each case it appears to me that both MM and IM have agreed to include reference in thier statements to some sort of public apology, in both cases they are qualified by "If's" and "Mights" and, in my opinion, are pretty much meaningless. Still when you have an ego like VT maybe he feels better because these statements have been made.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Not in the case of gross misconduct


Are you saying MM was guilty of gross misconduct :? If that was the case then for an employer that is the easiest case to defend but here the club have chosen to enter into a "Settlement Agreement" rather than defend thier action.

Look both parties have agreed on a settlement and, in my opinion, that's the very best outcome for the club. But I believe that the club having decided to settle has made a contribution to the legal costs of both MM and IM.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 5:13 pm

castleblue wrote:
Chronicle wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Wayne S wrote:Malky & Moody's words are not your standard bland statements.

They seem excessively in favour of the club and Tan of all people.

The Daily Mail are also making a point of reporting no pay out and MM paying his own legal fees.

As some might say, Mmmmm.


Both statements are very carefully worded but both include reference to "Settlement Agreements" which used to be known as "Compromise Agreements" and are used as legal documents detailing the terms agreed to settle employment disputes. One thing is certain and that is the club has made a contribution to the legal costs for both MM and IM because they are required to do so. The club doesn't have to pay ALL legal expenses but they must make a contribution.

In MM statement he says that a "Settlement Agreement" has been reached on ALL claims which tells you that he had more than one claim against the club. I was told he had submitted multiple claims against the club, including constructive dismissal and breach of contract because the club failed to pay the notice period (1 years salary I was told).

Under the terms of his contract of employment he is entitled to be paid his notice period so I believe he has received that and I don't care what the Daily Mail says about Compensation because being paid his salary is a minimum requirement. I would bet money on it that within the "Settlement Agreement" is an Ex Gratia payment covering his other claims.

In each case it appears to me that both MM and IM have agreed to include reference in thier statements to some sort of public apology, in both cases they are qualified by "If's" and "Mights" and, in my opinion, are pretty much meaningless. Still when you have an ego like VT maybe he feels better because these statements have been made.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Not in the case of gross misconduct


Are you saying MM was guilty of gross misconduct :? If that was the case then for an employer that is the easiest case to defend but here the club have chosen to enter into a "Settlement Agreement" rather than defend thier action.

Look both parties have agreed on a settlement and, in my opinion, that's the very best outcome for the club. But I believe that the club having decided to settle has made a contribution to the legal costs of both MM and IM.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


it was Malky taking the club to court,not the other way around........if he offered to drop the case and give an apology..Tan had nothing to defend..and where does the contribution to legal fees come into it?
if your just going to make things up......go for it......tan offered him a trip to mars, his own jet.ffs

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 5:16 pm

simon.wiesenthal wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Chronicle wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Wayne S wrote:Malky & Moody's words are not your standard bland statements.

They seem excessively in favour of the club and Tan of all people.

The Daily Mail are also making a point of reporting no pay out and MM paying his own legal fees.

As some might say, Mmmmm.


Both statements are very carefully worded but both include reference to "Settlement Agreements" which used to be known as "Compromise Agreements" and are used as legal documents detailing the terms agreed to settle employment disputes. One thing is certain and that is the club has made a contribution to the legal costs for both MM and IM because they are required to do so. The club doesn't have to pay ALL legal expenses but they must make a contribution.

In MM statement he says that a "Settlement Agreement" has been reached on ALL claims which tells you that he had more than one claim against the club. I was told he had submitted multiple claims against the club, including constructive dismissal and breach of contract because the club failed to pay the notice period (1 years salary I was told).

Under the terms of his contract of employment he is entitled to be paid his notice period so I believe he has received that and I don't care what the Daily Mail says about Compensation because being paid his salary is a minimum requirement. I would bet money on it that within the "Settlement Agreement" is an Ex Gratia payment covering his other claims.

In each case it appears to me that both MM and IM have agreed to include reference in thier statements to some sort of public apology, in both cases they are qualified by "If's" and "Mights" and, in my opinion, are pretty much meaningless. Still when you have an ego like VT maybe he feels better because these statements have been made.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Not in the case of gross misconduct


Are you saying MM was guilty of gross misconduct :? If that was the case then for an employer that is the easiest case to defend but here the club have chosen to enter into a "Settlement Agreement" rather than defend thier action.

Look both parties have agreed on a settlement and, in my opinion, that's the very best outcome for the club. But I believe that the club having decided to settle has made a contribution to the legal costs of both MM and IM.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


it was Malky taking the club to court,not the other way around........if he offered to drop the case and give an apology..Tan had nothing to defend..and where does the contribution to legal fees come into it?
if your just going to make things up......go for it......tan offered him a trip to mars, his own jet.ffs


Google "Settlement Agreement" then you may understand that is how VT and the club defended thier position.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 5:24 pm

Hmmmm Malky ain't taking the blame for something he didn't do is he ?
:lol: :lol: typed Malky above and had the old red line under it. Checked options and one said Milky :laughing6:

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 5:40 pm

ffs there are some proper numpty,s on here :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :ole: :ole: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: ' MALKY MACKAY & TAN DO SETTLEMENT OUT OF COURT '

Fri May 09, 2014 5:41 pm

Radio Wales stating Malky not going to receive a penny - hmmmmmmm!!!!! Been a naughty boy??? :laughing6: