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GUTLESS, PASSIONLESS, NO FIGHT RESULTS IN EMBARRASSING

Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:38 pm

Gutless, headless and being totally honest that was the biggest pile of crap I have seen served up at home all season.

When I saw the team for today I had real optimism that Ole was going for it, we would play with 4-4-2, balls crossed in from either flank with Kenwyne Jones the focal point of the attack and Campbell supporting the big man up top.

My biggest doubt was that Medel needed to have a big game otherwise we could be overrun through the middle.

What I didn't envisage was us lining up with 4-5-1 and seeing a bunch of players who showed no heart, no desire and in truth embarrassed our club with the worst home performance this season.

I got roundly criticised when I wrote that I accepted after the Hull debacle we would be relegated, I admit it was premature because there were and still are enough points to survive but I doubt anyone will argue against us being relegated now even though there are still enough games to get to the level of points to survive.

Ole Gunnar Solksjaer was exposed today as being tactically inept for this league, I have serious doubts as to whether he would succeed in the Championship, and what I heard on Radio Wales driving home worries me as much as his tactics. To say we dominated the first half, run out of ideas and had no self belief is a massive concern.

The managers job is to work with the squad through the week and give the ideas and belief to the players and I have no faith in him as a manager tonight that he is capable of doing either.

The last thing City needed today was to concede the opening goal and once we did, judging by what I had witnessed up to that goal, I did not believe we would get back into the game.

There was no creativity, we were far too exposed by being so expansive in our play, players who we rely on to have an impact on our play didn't show up and the mediocre ones were nowhere near being average players this afternoon.

The team strolled out for the second half as if it was an end of season meaningless match, not that we had 45 minutes to keep our season alive.

There are far bigger issues that concern this football club, which I have written about previously, Vincent Tan needs to leave the footballing matters alone but when we have a megalomaniac with no or every little football knowledge in charge choosing a manager then we will forever be destined for trouble.

Fire and Passion - Piss poor and gutless.

You often hear fans say their team has gone backwards but I would gladly go back to the defensive approach we displayed four months ago and be a difficult to beat team, even if some of you think it is boring it was more effective than that tripe I witnessed this afternoon and that is statistically a fact.

Where we as a club go from here is anybody's guess, the lunatics are running the asylum, the manager is out of his depth, many fans are in denial and we can't even identify ourselves.

The joke has gone on for too long.

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:42 pm

We have some really good technical players, we've seen this over the season with players like Medel,, Mutch, Noone, Campbell etc. got one of the best keepers and a great up and coming CB. But sometimes what you need is someone to rally the team and get them playing for the shirt. Ole just isn't capable of that

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:44 pm

Best thing to do is go down and sort ourselves out. If we stay up it will just continue or get worst.

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:47 pm

Only good thing today is the clear fact Ole is not up to it.

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:48 pm

CantonJack wrote:We have some really good technical players, we've seen this over the season with players like Medel,, Mutch, Noone, Campbell etc. got one of the best keepers and a great up and coming CB. But sometimes what you need is someone to rally the team and get them playing for the shirt. Ole just isn't capable of that



how can you say campbell is a good techinal player is beyond a joke he's got good pace and decent finishing and that's it we only have about 5 players that are prem quality the rest are nowhere near the standard to stay in this league

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:52 pm

Agree 100% ! The whole club from top to bottom is a mess and that's down to one malaysian ego maniac! 2 years ago we had a great young manager with a club united! forward 2 years and we've got a red kit, a dragon badge and a manager who is out of its depth! No hunger no desire no organisation! Bellamy and noone should have started and whitts should have at least been on the bench! I really really worry where the club is heading with the current regime! :cry:

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:57 pm

We have to concentrate on next season I'm afraid, this one is over!! Something has to give! I would prefer it to be Tan but its plain to see that what went on today was not Cardiff City playing for their lives.. They gave up. And sadly when we go down and if nothing has changed between Tan and the fans! well we will not succeed in the championship either. Who knows what star players will leave us? who will remain? With players coming in and going out; we will spend the whole of next season trying to get the team to play together. We are not a team! Cardiff City is divided, its broken. What should have been the season of our lives! has turned into a shambles.

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:23 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:Only good thing today is the clear fact Ole is not up to it.



How the f**k is that a good thing?

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:43 pm

Ole needs to do the honourable thing and walk away ASAP.

Relegation is part of the process that we need to go through to regain our club. Ideally, Tan would sell up, but that's probably doubtful. We certainly need to get back to blue. The 're-branding' has derailed the club over the last two seasons.

We need a spell in the Championship, or even League One. We need to get back to our true selves.

I'm optimistic that a lot of the younger fans will stay. Once they get the CCFC bug, it sticks. We all started somewhere.

A lot of these players will be gone, thank God! We need to reinstate some of our top club men, like Hudson and Whitts. They are certainly good enough for the Championship. Next season will be tough. We need a decent Championship manager, too.

But that's football. Perhaps we've had it too easy over the last dozen years or so. :bluescarf: keep the faith! :ayatollah:

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:50 pm

Stopped reading at Gutless, sums it up for me really. :(

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:58 pm

AJ1927 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Only good thing today is the clear fact Ole is not up to it.



How the f**k is that a good thing?


Simple really. It gives us time to find another manager instead of leaving it late like we did with Malky.

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:01 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
AJ1927 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Only good thing today is the clear fact Ole is not up to it.



How the f**k is that a good thing?


Simple really. It gives us time to find another manager instead of leaving it late like we did with Malky.




Leaving it late?

We are already down.
He has inherited a side devoid of any form or confidence.
Why should he not be given time to build his own team?

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:29 pm

Good write up. Think it sums the situation up to a t. Reminded me of the Middlesbrough game we needed to win 2 years ago to get promoted and all.the players were out on the piss the night before

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:59 am

how the f**k was we difficult to beat under malky with the second worst defensive display! this myth is f*cking laughable!, only difficult thing for teams was not to f*cking score a lot of goals from their chances and they had plenty!, we are shipping in more goals under ole granted but least we giving ourselves a chance by actually scoring aswell, malky ole tan and the gutless players who aint playing for shirt are to blame everyone of them ffs, f**k malky hes gone! great guy showed a lot of heart and passion but hes not our manager anymore, he was found out early on from this level and couldn't change his underpants let alone a f*cking gameplan!, im pissed off that our club is just a laughing stock now, the new Blackburn be fucked

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:13 am

That was the worst Home performance under Ole, although I thought the first half performance against Newcastle earlier in the season was on a par with it.
We can't go back to when Malky was here, but he kept us out of the bottom 3, and I think he would have done that all season, if the relationship with Vincent Tan hadn't broken down. We don't know the real reason why that happened, but that has led to where we are now.
Witnessing the Palace fans and players today, they looked like a club who are together. We on the other hand do not. Having some fans who think that playing in blue is more important than staying in the Premier League, is always going to be divisive to those who think being in the Premier League is the most important target.
I don't think terrace chants about being in Blue or about Vincent Tan help the players to perform to their best either, and probably has the opposite effect, on todays showing.
It was always easier to accept the Red rebranding when we won our first 10 home games last season playing in red, but as times got harder this season, some of those who accepted it then because we were doing well have decided it's now more important to play in blue.
If Vincent Tan decides to leave then we are going to be in a worse financial mess, as following recent events, he shows no sign of converting his loans to the club into shares. I don't even think the parachute payments would cover what we would owe him, if he left.
On balance, I wouldn't be in a rush to get rid of Ole - it was always wildly optimistic to think that someone with no managerial experience in this country, would be a suitable candidate for a relegation dog-fight, and I'm sure with a close-season of building a team, he will sort out a system that works, even without those players who will inevitably leave when we get relegated. However, I wonder if Vincent Tan were to leave whether Ole would follow, because I'm not sure the club would be able to continue to fund him as manager.
I can't get excited about looking forward to going down to the Championship or League 1 in order to rebuild. I know some teams have successfully done that, but several others haven't....the outlook seems bleak today...I'm not sure at the moment where to look for signs of optimism..

Re: GUTLESS, PASSIONLESS, NO FIGHT RESULTS IN EMBARRASSING

Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:19 am

Disappointing, not embarrassing. Let's keep some perspective.

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:43 am

AJ1927 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
AJ1927 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Only good thing today is the clear fact Ole is not up to it.



How the f**k is that a good thing?


Simple really. It gives us time to find another manager instead of leaving it late like we did with Malky.




Leaving it late?

We are already down.
He has inherited a side devoid of any form or confidence.
Why should he not be given time to build his own team?


Good point tony, seven of yesterdays starting line up were malkys players and zaha was coming if malky had stayed as well. :thumbup:

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:03 pm

AJ1927 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
AJ1927 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Only good thing today is the clear fact Ole is not up to it.



How the f**k is that a good thing?


Simple really. It gives us time to find another manager instead of leaving it late like we did with Malky.




Leaving it late?

We are already down.
He has inherited a side devoid of any form or confidence.
Why should he not be given time to build his own team?

And how was the team devoid of confidence exactly when Ole was appointed ?

They were picking up points and outside of the relegation spots.

You are right every manager should have time to build his side but to say we were confidence shot and out of form is way off the mark Tony.

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:00 pm

carlccfc wrote:
AJ1927 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
AJ1927 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Only good thing today is the clear fact Ole is not up to it.



How the f**k is that a good thing?


Simple really. It gives us time to find another manager instead of leaving it late like we did with Malky.




Leaving it late?

We are already down.
He has inherited a side devoid of any form or confidence.
Why should he not be given time to build his own team?

And how was the team devoid of confidence exactly when Ole was appointed ?

They were picking up points and outside of the relegation spots.

You are right every manager should have time to build his side but to say we were confidence shot and out of form is way off the mark Tony.


Need to explain this a bit more for the likes of Tony.

A lot of belief that Malky should have gone after the Palace game. Some will go back to the Stoke game. In a way I agree with this as it would have given the new guy a lot more time. Lets face it Tan wanted Malky out by then so why not.

Re: GUTLESS, PASSIONLESS, NO FIGHT RESULTS IN EMBARRASSING

Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:10 pm

He's not Scottish and he doesn't fist pump or use the word passion in his press conferences, therefore he was never going to be loved. If you listen to Radio Wales and agree with anything you need your head bashing. This forum is just a joke, if this forum represented the thoughts of every Cardiff City fan I would never step foot inside the CCS again.

Re: GUTLESS, PASSIONLESS, NO FIGHT RESULTS IN EMBARRASSING

Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:17 pm

PartyWithOle wrote:He's not Scottish and he doesn't fist pump or use the word passion in his press conferences, therefore he was never going to be loved. If you listen to Radio Wales and agree with anything you need your head bashing. This forum is just a joke, if this forum represented the thoughts of every Cardiff City fan I would never step foot inside the CCS again.


Losing 0-4 and 0-3 to two sides we were promoted with on our own patch is something to do with it.

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:31 pm

carlccfc wrote:
AJ1927 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
AJ1927 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Only good thing today is the clear fact Ole is not up to it.



How the f**k is that a good thing?


Simple really. It gives us time to find another manager instead of leaving it late like we did with Malky.




Leaving it late?

We are already down.
He has inherited a side devoid of any form or confidence.
Why should he not be given time to build his own team?

And how was the team devoid of confidence exactly when Ole was appointed ?

They were picking up points and outside of the relegation spots.

You are right every manager should have time to build his side but to say we were confidence shot and out of form is way off the mark Tony.

2 wins in 9 and 5 goals in those games

Re: NOT GOOD READING BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS

Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:35 pm

carlccfc wrote:
AJ1927 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
AJ1927 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Only good thing today is the clear fact Ole is not up to it.



How the f**k is that a good thing?


Simple really. It gives us time to find another manager instead of leaving it late like we did with Malky.




Leaving it late?

We are already down.
He has inherited a side devoid of any form or confidence.
Why should he not be given time to build his own team?

And how was the team devoid of confidence exactly when Ole was appointed ?

They were picking up points and outside of the relegation spots.

You are right every manager should have time to build his side but to say we were confidence shot and out of form is way off the mark Tony.


So if Malky had stayed his next five games included Arsenal, Man City and Man Utd away....do you think we'd have stayed out of the bottom three? I don't. It has been a fuck-up of a season and Malky was a big part of that. He wasted millions that a decent manager would have used to keep us up. Not saying Ole is the answer though...I just don't know at the moment. :bluescarf:

Re: GUTLESS, PASSIONLESS, NO FIGHT RESULTS IN EMBARRASSING

Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:33 pm

the teams promoted with us have managers who know the premier league and the type of players needed bruce bought well in summer players from spurs who may have followed caulker here,pulis has brought in good players and turned cp around.malky and his so called team of experts bought little quality during summer continually refused to play no one and tried to play premiership football with poor championship side who had lot of help from others poor performances in order to get promoted we were never going to stay up,players were available who could have done well but malky didn't see it he was stuborn and thought his system was best what5 laugh we got Cornelius ffs.

Re: GUTLESS, PASSIONLESS, NO FIGHT RESULTS IN EMBARRASSING

Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:38 pm

pensionerbluebird wrote:the teams promoted with us have managers who know the premier league and the type of players needed bruce bought well in summer players from spurs who may have followed caulker here,pulis has brought in good players and turned cp around.malky and his so called team of experts bought little quality during summer continually refused to play no one and tried to play premiership football with poor championship side who had lot of help from others poor performances in order to get promoted we were never going to stay up,players were available who could have done well but malky didn't see it he was stuborn and thought his system was best what5 laugh we got Cornelius ffs.


Acorn was Malkys downfall.

Even so we were holding our own until Tan butted in.

Re: GUTLESS, PASSIONLESS, NO FIGHT RESULTS IN EMBARRASSING

Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:16 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
pensionerbluebird wrote:the teams promoted with us have managers who know the premier league and the type of players needed bruce bought well in summer players from spurs who may have followed caulker here,pulis has brought in good players and turned cp around.malky and his so called team of experts bought little quality during summer continually refused to play no one and tried to play premiership football with poor championship side who had lot of help from others poor performances in order to get promoted we were never going to stay up,players were available who could have done well but malky didn't see it he was stuborn and thought his system was best what5 laugh we got Cornelius ffs.


Acorn was Malkys downfall.

Even so we were holding our own until Tan butted in.


Tan interefering is 50% made up bollocks 40% Exaggerated 10% truth

Re: GUTLESS, PASSIONLESS, NO FIGHT RESULTS IN EMBARRASSING

Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:58 pm

Jinks wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
pensionerbluebird wrote:the teams promoted with us have managers who know the premier league and the type of players needed bruce bought well in summer players from spurs who may have followed caulker here,pulis has brought in good players and turned cp around.malky and his so called team of experts bought little quality during summer continually refused to play no one and tried to play premiership football with poor championship side who had lot of help from others poor performances in order to get promoted we were never going to stay up,players were available who could have done well but malky didn't see it he was stuborn and thought his system was best what5 laugh we got Cornelius ffs.


Acorn was Malkys downfall.

Even so we were holding our own until Tan butted in.


Tan interefering is 50% made up bollocks 40% Exaggerated 10% truth


10% being enough.

Re: GUTLESS, PASSIONLESS, NO FIGHT RESULTS IN EMBARRASSING

Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:01 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
Jinks wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
pensionerbluebird wrote:the teams promoted with us have managers who know the premier league and the type of players needed bruce bought well in summer players from spurs who may have followed caulker here,pulis has brought in good players and turned cp around.malky and his so called team of experts bought little quality during summer continually refused to play no one and tried to play premiership football with poor championship side who had lot of help from others poor performances in order to get promoted we were never going to stay up,players were available who could have done well but malky didn't see it he was stuborn and thought his system was best what5 laugh we got Cornelius ffs.


Acorn was Malkys downfall.

Even so we were holding our own until Tan butted in.


Tan interefering is 50% made up bollocks 40% Exaggerated 10% truth


10% being enough.

All chairmen interfere to some degree :thumbup:

Re: GUTLESS, PASSIONLESS, NO FIGHT RESULTS IN EMBARRASSING

Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:05 pm

BillyLiar wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
Jinks wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
pensionerbluebird wrote:the teams promoted with us have managers who know the premier league and the type of players needed bruce bought well in summer players from spurs who may have followed caulker here,pulis has brought in good players and turned cp around.malky and his so called team of experts bought little quality during summer continually refused to play no one and tried to play premiership football with poor championship side who had lot of help from others poor performances in order to get promoted we were never going to stay up,players were available who could have done well but malky didn't see it he was stuborn and thought his system was best what5 laugh we got Cornelius ffs.


Acorn was Malkys downfall.

Even so we were holding our own until Tan butted in.


Tan interefering is 50% made up bollocks 40% Exaggerated 10% truth


10% being enough.

All chairmen interfere to some degree :thumbup:


All chairmen don't make their club a laughing stock.

Re: GUTLESS, PASSIONLESS, NO FIGHT RESULTS IN EMBARRASSING

Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:16 pm

hopefully this will put an end to the "if we win blah blah blah" games we can survive bullsh*t


ole is a joke, his selection shows that,