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Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:01 pm

Why Cardiff City are WRONG to make official complaint to Premier League over Crystal Palace spy furore
Friday Apr 11, 2014.

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BY PAUL ABBANDONATO

Head of sport Paul Abbandonato says Cardiff City are in danger of being dubbed sore losers
Vincent Tan, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and Mehmet Dalman.

There is only one thing worse than losing badly and that’s being a bad loser.

Cardiff City, unfortunately, are in danger of being tarred with each one of those unwanted tags as the fallout from last weekend continues.

The 0-3 horror show by Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s team against Crystal Palace was horrendous enough.

But just when we were hoping that was behind us, and energies were being devoted totally to righting the many wrongs in the game at Southampton, we learn officially that the Bluebirds have made a complaint to the Premier League about Palace boss Tony Pulis discovering Solskjaer’s team.

Football dressing rooms and environments have to be about loyalty, trust, integrity.

Whoever from Cardiff leaked the side to Palace deserves to be dismissed, in my opinion.

But there is a distinct difference between that course of action and moaning to the League hierarchy about so-called ‘unethical’ tactics supposedly deployed by Palace’s recruitment chief Iain Moody, dismissed himself earlier this season by Vincent Tan.



Deal with any breach of trust internally, yes. But keep it in house, rather than leave yourself open to accusations of being bad losers by complaining ... a course of action which ensured the Bluebirds merited yet more unwanted attention on the front pages of the London tabloids.

This must not be permitted to become a smokescreen and detract in any way whatsoever from the abject nature of the Bluebirds’ performance against Palace and the desperate need to restore pride, passion and make the fans proud again against Southampton.

The football grapevine began buzzing from as early as last Sunday afternoon - 24 hours after the Palace debacle - about Soslkajer supposedly changing his team because he learned the line-up had been leaked to Pulis.

Only Solskjaer will know the truth behind that, I guess.






But so what if Pulis knew Cardiff’s side? It’s not uncommon in football and, let’s be honest, whatever he learned, it didn’t affect the game-plan of the Palace boss one iota.

He lined up his side exactly as he has done in previous matches. Four at the back, two holding midfielders, Joe Ledley just behind lone striker Cameron Jerome, with Jason Puncheon and Yannick Bolaise occupying the wide berths.

It wouldn’t have mattered to Pulis if Solskjaer had played 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 5-3-2 or picked ten men up front. He had his settled system which made Palace resolute and organised and he was sticking with it.

I would have taken the view that Cardiff possessed better players. End of. So what if Pulis knew the line-up? With the correct team selection and tactics, Solskjaer’s men were more than good enough to impose themselves on the game and win it.

They didn’t because the team selection and tactics were flawed and, unforgivably, Palace clearly wanted it more.

Those were the reasons for Cardiff’s worst performance for four years, not the fact that Pulis was supposedly handed an edge by learning Solskjaer’s starting X1.

Correcting those fundamental flaws and putting the right team, tactics and commitment to the cause into play against Southampton are what have really mattered this week.

Not some daft spying saga which could have been dealt with in-house. Making it public has turned it into an unwanted distraction.

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:34 pm

well sour grapes,bad losers,what ever
our starting line up was important enough for Moody to make the calls /texts.....

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:37 pm

soulofthesea wrote:well sour grapes,bad losers,what ever
our starting line up was important enough for Moody to make the calls /texts.....


Rem, he works for Palace now not for us and he 100% wont have any loyalty for us, why would he?

It goes on in football every week.

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:44 pm

Surely it depends if any rules were broken or not. Not being interested enough in all the rules and regulations I have no idea, but if rules were broken it's hardly sour grapes to report the fact. That's like saying if someone taps up one of your players, it would be sour grapes to report the fact you should just take action against the player. In all the reports in his paper, nowhere is it reported that anyone thought it altered the result, so it's hardly sour grapes on that point either, and this bloke is their head of sport, God help them.

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:47 pm

barriboy wrote:Surely it depends if any rules were broken or not. Not being interested enough in all the rules and regulations I have no idea, but if rules were broken it's hardly sour grapes to report the fact. That's like saying if someone taps up one of your players, it would be sour grapes to report the fact you should just take action against the player. In all the reports in his paper, nowhere is it reported that anyone thought it altered the result, so it's hardly sour grapes on that point either, and this bloke is their head of sport, God help them.


Ive just asked someone if actually Ian Moody has broken any rules?

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:53 pm

Ole has said they were beaten fair. Should we not appeal/investigate because we'll be branded bad losers? Even though it's vital information and gives us a disadvantage, no trust or loyalty in the team? How this bloke is employed never mind head of his department I don't know

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:53 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
barriboy wrote:Surely it depends if any rules were broken or not. Not being interested enough in all the rules and regulations I have no idea, but if rules were broken it's hardly sour grapes to report the fact. That's like saying if someone taps up one of your players, it would be sour grapes to report the fact you should just take action against the player. In all the reports in his paper, nowhere is it reported that anyone thought it altered the result, so it's hardly sour grapes on that point either, and this bloke is their head of sport, God help them.


Ive just asked someone if actually Ian Moody has broken any rules?


This will be the most embarrassing thing ever if he hasn't :lol:

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:57 pm

Ta Annis, would be interesting to know if any rules broken, meself as I said have no idea, too many rules and regulations for me.

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:03 pm

The problem is hardly Moody is it? There are people within the club trying to hurt us, that need to be plugged however deep or wide it might run! But funny article by head of sports, after the paper run headlines all day :laughing5:

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:03 pm

barriboy wrote:Ta Annis, would be interesting to know if any rules broken, meself as I said have no idea, too many rules and regulations for me.


Ive been told Moody def sent texts to a number of our staff incl one player who never responded,but Moody is denying it, but I believe the club have evidence.

But whether Moody broke rules ? thats the question?

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:04 pm

Simonella wrote:The problem is hardly Moody is it? There are people within the club trying to hurt us, that need to be plugged however deep or wide it might run! But funny article by head of sports, after the paper run headlines all day :laughing5:


Actually spot on, the ones who replied to him are more guilty than Moody as they work for us :thumbup:

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:19 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Simonella wrote:The problem is hardly Moody is it? There are people within the club trying to hurt us, that need to be plugged however deep or wide it might run! But funny article by head of sports, after the paper run headlines all day :laughing5:


Actually spot on, the ones who replied to him are more guilty than Moody as they work for us :thumbup:


I think moody if involved is just as bad as the others.

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:28 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
barriboy wrote:Ta Annis, would be interesting to know if any rules broken, meself as I said have no idea, too many rules and regulations for me.


Ive been told Moody def sent texts to a number of our staff incl one player who never responded,but Moody is denying it, but I believe the club have evidence.

But whether Moody broke rules ? thats the question?


Annis Moody hasn't broken any rules but the FA Compliance Unit will be asked to investigate if there were any abnormal betting patterns on this game. Remember when PNE players revealed the team line up and tactics to Sheffield Wednesday not long ago, Sheffield Wednesday won that game 2-0.

This is not a matter of being bad losers but concern about the integrity of the game and when you can bet on so many things nowadays it's important that team details are not known until as late as possible.

Ask yourself if the major bookmakers would alters odds on first goalscorer if they new, for a FACT, that a certain player was not going to play. The answer is of course they would.

Anything that can affect the integrity of the game must be investigated.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:33 pm

castleblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
barriboy wrote:Ta Annis, would be interesting to know if any rules broken, meself as I said have no idea, too many rules and regulations for me.


Ive been told Moody def sent texts to a number of our staff incl one player who never responded,but Moody is denying it, but I believe the club have evidence.

But whether Moody broke rules ? thats the question?


Annis Moody hasn't broken any rules but the FA Compliance Unit will be asked to investigate if there were any abnormal betting patterns on this game. Remember when PNE players revealed the team line up and tactics to Sheffield Wednesday not long ago, Sheffield Wednesday won that game 2-0.

This is not a matter of being bad losers but concern about the integrity of the game and when you can bet on so many things nowadays it's important that team details are not known until as late as possible.

Ask yourself if the major bookmakers would alters odds on first goalscorer if they new, for a FACT, that a certain player was not going to play. The answer is of course they would.

Anything that can affect the integrity of the game must be investigated.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf:



Cheers Gary, We can rely on u as always :thumbup: :thumbup: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:00 pm

At the end of the day no matter who knew the starting line up,we should have been good enough to have beaten palace,but we were utter shit and just rolled over

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:16 pm

So it's more to do with betting than anything else then, ta for that Castleblue. Also interesting about Moody contacting 3 people for the info, perhaps not illegal or against the rules but him denying it certainly shows him as a rather a dubious character if true. I just wonder if he got up to anything dubious while he was with us, and if he did, did Malky know anything about it.

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:23 pm

castleblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
barriboy wrote:Ta Annis, would be interesting to know if any rules broken, meself as I said have no idea, too many rules and regulations for me.


Ive been told Moody def sent texts to a number of our staff incl one player who never responded,but Moody is denying it, but I believe the club have evidence.

But whether Moody broke rules ? thats the question?


Annis Moody hasn't broken any rules but the FA Compliance Unit will be asked to investigate if there were any abnormal betting patterns on this game. Remember when PNE players revealed the team line up and tactics to Sheffield Wednesday not long ago, Sheffield Wednesday won that game 2-0.

This is not a matter of being bad losers but concern about the integrity of the game and when you can bet on so many things nowadays it's important that team details are not known until as late as possible.

Ask yourself if the major bookmakers would alters odds on first goalscorer if they new, for a FACT, that a certain player was not going to play. The answer is of course they would.

Anything that can affect the integrity of the game must be investigated.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf:



If a player does not play all first goalscorer bets on him are refunded.

All this makes us look like terrible losers.

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:37 pm

the clubs a laughing joke , again

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:24 am

ninianblue wrote:the clubs a laughing joke , again

its about integrity of the game if you read castle blue comments nothing to laugh about there? :?

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:21 am

ninianblue wrote:the clubs a laughing joke , again

Whats a laughing joke?

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:16 am

caerblue wrote:At the end of the day no matter who knew the starting line up,we should have been good enough to have beaten palace,but we were utter shit and just rolled over


This

If there was any wrongdoing by anybody at the club thern it should be punished, but really it doesn't matter in the long run - such was the players' attitude and effort on the day that the tactics and team wouldn't have mattered - Palace would still have beaten us.

We were shit - end of.

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:05 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:
ninianblue wrote:the clubs a laughing joke , again

Whats a laughing joke?


A joke that you laugh at presumably.

As opposed to those not funny ones

Re: ' Why Cardiff City are WRONG '

Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:09 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Simonella wrote:The problem is hardly Moody is it? There are people within the club trying to hurt us, that need to be plugged however deep or wide it might run! But funny article by head of sports, after the paper run headlines all day :laughing5:


Actually spot on, the ones who replied to him are more guilty than Moody as they work for us :thumbup:


You can't be serious!