' Tan has two choices - Pulis or failure! '

' Vincent Tan has two choices - Pulis or failure! '

You would think Tan would learn by now! Tony Pulis, a manager who has never got relegated in his career, a manager who has spent his career taking over struggling teams with limited funds and improving them, a manager who got an inferior Stoke team promoted to the Premiership and stabilised them as a Premiership club and the manager who performed a miracle with an inferior Crystal Palace side last season. Tan chooses to ignore Pulis for his wish of appointing a young, British, up and coming manager.

We are not in a position to gamble on a young manager as all young managers are still learning and will make mistakes! I find Tan's number 1 target of Paul Hartley bizarre. Yes, Hartley got consecutive promotions with Alloa and then got Dundee promoted, but Ole won the title with Molde for the first time in their clubs history. The Championship is a completely different kettle of fish! It's a division who requires an experienced manager who has been there, done it and knows the demands of the division inside out. Paul Hartley has a fantastic track record and may go on to become a fantastic manager in the future, but we are not planning for the future, we are planning for right now.

Neil Lennon is also being linked, but what has he done apart from winning yet another SPL title with Celtic? Would Lennon handle a more competitive league? Would Lennon be able to deal with not winning every game and getting more challenged as a manager? Again, that would be a gamble for me. I like Lennon as a person, he has a strong character and wouldn't take any nonsense. I have no doubt Lennon would turn us into a more committed, street wise outfit capable of grinding out results. But so will Pulis and the difference is, Pulis is proven.

Tan, time to swallow your pride, bring in Tony Pulis, then keep out of things and allow him to manage us his own, trusted, successful way. We do not need a young, up and coming manager. A young up and coming manager will be more easily influenced, simply because young managers are still inexperienced. Bringing in a young manager will allow Tan to bring in a Director of Football (yes man) as the "go between". If Tan gets his way with this, it will be yet another chaotic episode of interference and failure for our football club.

Pulis is available, he wants to come here, he's experienced, he's successful and most importantly, he's succeeded at this level already with a Stoke team way inferior to our squad. That Stoke team contained players of limited ability like Mamady Sidibe!

It's an absolute no brainer for me. Do the right thing Tan, do what's best for our club and do what will be best for yourself! Just think of the money you will be missing out on if you get it wrong again this time!

Limited funds?? He had 60m at Stoke

Limited funds?? He had 60m at Stoke

Please explain where Pulis spent this "60m" during their promotion winning season? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80 ... .C._season

You would think Tan would learn by now! Tony Pulis, a manager who has never got relegated in his career, a manager who has spent his career taking over struggling teams with limited funds and improving them, a manager who got an inferior Stoke team promoted to the Premiership and stabilised them as a Premiership club and the manager who performed a miracle with an inferior Crystal Palace side last season. Tan chooses to ignore Pulis for his wish of appointing a young, British, up and coming manager.

We are not in a position to gamble on a young manager as all young managers are still learning and will make mistakes! I find Tan's number 1 target of Paul Hartley bizarre. Yes, Hartley got consecutive promotions with Alloa and then got Dundee promoted, but Ole won the title with Molde for the first time in their clubs history. The Championship is a completely different kettle of fish! It's a division who requires an experienced manager who has been there, done it and knows the demands of the division inside out. Paul Hartley has a fantastic track record and may go on to become a fantastic manager in the future, but we are not planning for the future, we are planning for right now.

Neil Lennon is also being linked, but what has he done apart from winning yet another SPL title with Celtic? Would Lennon handle a more competitive league? Would Lennon be able to deal with not winning every game and getting more challenged as a manager? Again, that would be a gamble for me. I like Lennon as a person, he has a strong character and wouldn't take any nonsense. I have no doubt Lennon would turn us into a more committed, street wise outfit capable of grinding out results. But so will Pulis and the difference is, Pulis is proven.

Tan, time to swallow your pride, bring in Tony Pulis, then keep out of things and allow him to manage us his own, trusted, successful way. We do not need a young, up and coming manager. A young up and coming manager will be more easily influenced, simply because young managers are still inexperienced. Bringing in a young manager will allow Tan to bring in a Director of Football (yes man) as the "go between". If Tan gets his way with this, it will be yet another chaotic episode of interference and failure for our football club.

Pulis is available, he wants to come here, he's experienced, he's successful and most importantly, he's succeeded at this level already with a Stoke team way inferior to our squad. That Stoke team contained players of limited ability like Mamady Sidibe!

It's an absolute no brainer for me. Do the right thing Tan, do what's best for our club and do what will be best for yourself! Just think of the money you will be missing out on if you get it wrong again this time!

Agree with all the above TB - if not Pullis a manager with championship or higher management

Limited funds?? He had 60m at Stoke

Fukin trust u to put down anyone who's not ole,why don't you jump on the Rosenberg forum I'm sure I seen your bum chum was being linked there,pulis is proven,he's the best manager in the country outside the top 6-7 teams in the prem but tan doesn't want him?? Why?? Cos he wants more influence,what makes him suitable to make football decisions? It's been calamity after calamity with him

So any manager other than pulis will fail hmmmmmmmm

Tonteg Blue if Tan appoints Pulis, would you show him a lot more respect?

Tonteg Blue if Tan appoints Pulis, would you show him a lot more respect?

Gavin, I will

I wont give up on our identity as that is everything to me, but it means that Tan is willing to have a manager who will take no shit, stand up to him and Tan will see the difference regarding a football team/club

Limited funds?? He had 60m at Stoke

Fukin trust u to put down anyone who's not ole,why don't you jump on the Rosenberg forum I'm sure I seen your bum chum was being linked there,pulis is proven,he's the best manager in the country outside the top 6-7 teams in the prem but tan doesn't want him?? Why?? Cos he wants more influence,what makes him suitable to make football decisions? It's been calamity after calamity with him

for a billionaire football owner, the biggest risk he could of made is head-hunting a foreign manager with limited English but ALWAYS a proven-track record. Giving a chance to unknown/inexperienced managers is the remit of smaller clubs like Swansea, then the money men simply poach them when the calls comes.

It is clear the club doesn't know what it is or wants to be. Tan had money but was unwilling to spend on the most important position.

spending 9mil on centre backs but not wanting to push the boat out for a colossal figure in the dug-out, as said before money talks.

Marcelo Bielsa would of absolutely ripped apart the set-up at Cardiff, a true football visionary who could of been paid to leave a lasting legacy at the club the way he has with Chile & Newell's Old Boys who named the stadium after him!!, completely revamped the whole national set-up and youth development and now have world class players because of it.

A great story from the Man Utd midfielder Herrera about him, when at Ath Bilbao (UEFA cup final with them btw), he had his feet on a chair in the canteen, Bielsa kicked away the chair and asked him, 'do you see me lounging around with my feet up.' That kind of attitude

If Pulis doesn't want to come to our car crash club what next? I can only see this season as being a continuing fight against mediocrity

Because a manager is a success at one club, doesn't always mean he will be a success wherever he goes. There is often an element of luck involved, and sometimes a manager just happens to be in the right place at the right time with the right group of players.
Look at the managers who have come to the likes of Chelsea, Man City etc. They come on the back of brilliant reputations and successes, and then leave with their tails between their legs.
I like Pulis, but supporters need to know that he wouldn't come with any guarantees. I disagree that it's Pulis or failure. There are plenty of good managers out there.

Limited funds?? He had 60m at Stoke

Fukin trust u to put down anyone who's not ole,why don't you jump on the Rosenberg forum I'm sure I seen your bum chum was being linked there,pulis is proven,he's the best manager in the country outside the top 6-7 teams in the prem but tan doesn't want him?? Why?? Cos he wants more influence,what makes him suitable to make football decisions? It's been calamity after calamity with him

SCUSE me for wanting Zola, don't cry over differences of opinions xxxx

Because a manager is a success at one club, doesn't always mean he will be a success wherever he goes. There is often an element of luck involved, and sometimes a manager just happens to be in the right place at the right time with the right group of players.
Look at the managers who have come to the likes of Chelsea, Man City etc. They come on the back of brilliant reputations and successes, and then leave with their tails between their legs.
I like Pulis, but supporters need to know that he wouldn't come with any guarantees. I disagree that it's Pulis or failure. There are plenty of good managers out there.

Agreed. People probably said it was an experienced manager or failure for Malky and he delivered us promotion and a cup final

Limited funds?? He had 60m at Stoke

Please explain where Pulis spent this "60m" during their promotion winning season? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80 ... .C._season

Clearly all on Jon Parkin!!

Limited funds?? He had 60m at Stoke

Please explain where Pulis spent this "60m" during their promotion winning season? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80 ... .C._season

I didn't say during their promotion season. It was clearly meant on a whole.

Limited funds?? He had 60m at Stoke

Please explain where Pulis spent this "60m" during their promotion winning season? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80 ... .C._season

Lol BOOM, he's got u there... he's never been a big spender

What nonsense

But you are right Pulis is excellent at keeping clubs up.

Limited funds?? He had 60m at Stoke

Hope you don't me not taking you too seriously, but you once called Pullis a "relegation specialist" ??

He did spend loads at Stoke once they were in the Prem. Sure they were hard to beat and he's a great tactician, but some of his bigger transfer dealings were horrific, he was spending loads of money to go from 13th to 12th. Look at Mark Hughes, first season he took over and they finish higher. There is only so much you can do with Pulis style football. This summer he wanted the board to spend 10m on Sigurdsson, 8m on Caulker etc. as well as offer them wages high enough for them to join, chairman said no and he threw his toys out the pram after having to look for cheap deals. A bit like Malky and a whole host of other managers who play an organised team, and with a low budget will bring in good players, ask them to spend huge amounts and they just splash it for the sake of it. Martin O'Neill is like this, criminally overrated manager.

Limited funds?? He had 60m at Stoke

Please explain where Pulis spent this "60m" during their promotion winning season? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80 ... .C._season

I didn't say during their promotion season. It was clearly meant on a whole.

Your still wrong as Pulis spent a net £87.6m over the 5 years he managed them in the PL. An average of £17.5m each year approx a half of what MM spent last season after our promotion and about £5m less than OGS has spent on an underperforming Championship squad.

The season Pulis took Stoke up he did so with a net transfer spend of - £270k.

Limited funds?? He had 60m at Stoke

Please explain where Pulis spent this "60m" during their promotion winning season? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80 ... .C._season

I didn't say during their promotion season. It was clearly meant on a whole.

Your still wrong as Pulis spent a net £87.6m over the 5 years he managed them in the PL. An average of £17.5m each year approx a half of what MM spent last season after our promotion and about £5m less than OGS has spent on an underperforming Championship squad.

The season Pulis took Stoke up he did so with a net transfer spend of - £270k.

Ole's net spend this summer is like -10m, and in January his net spend was like 3m.

So any manager other than pulis will fail hmmmmmmmm

Let me put it to you this way. We are not an attractive club to manage right now. I believe there are three types of managers who would consider coming to us:-

1) Young, inexperienced managers at a lesser club who are still learning and still making mistakes.
2) A yes man.
3) A manager who isn't very good.

All the good managers will have much better options than us. For someone like Pulis to declare himself available to us with his successful track record is too good an opportunity to turn down. I firmly believe if Tan doesn't appoint Pulis, we will fail. There isn't another candidate who comes close!

Tonteg Blue if Tan appoints Pulis, would you show him a lot more respect?

Gavin, to be totally honest I will never fully respect Tan as I believe respect works both ways and Tan has shown no respect to our football club by extinguishing our identity. However, if Tan appoints Pulis, I will fully back him with the decision and I will respect Tan for making what I believe is the 100% correct decision.

Because a manager is a success at one club, doesn't always mean he will be a success wherever he goes. There is often an element of luck involved, and sometimes a manager just happens to be in the right place at the right time with the right group of players.
Look at the managers who have come to the likes of Chelsea, Man City etc. They come on the back of brilliant reputations and successes, and then leave with their tails between their legs.
I like Pulis, but supporters need to know that he wouldn't come with any guarantees. I disagree that it's Pulis or failure. There are plenty of good managers out there.

Mark, I agree no manager can bring guarantees no matter how good he is. But surely you would rather us appoint a manager like Pulis who has had a way more successful career than any of our other potential candidates? Pulis' experience of bringing success to several different clubs will surely mean he is much more likely to bring us success than anyone else we can attract right now, especially as Pulis has succeeded in this country at this level.

Because a manager is a success at one club, doesn't always mean he will be a success wherever he goes. There is often an element of luck involved, and sometimes a manager just happens to be in the right place at the right time with the right group of players.
Look at the managers who have come to the likes of Chelsea, Man City etc. They come on the back of brilliant reputations and successes, and then leave with their tails between their legs.
I like Pulis, but supporters need to know that he wouldn't come with any guarantees. I disagree that it's Pulis or failure. There are plenty of good managers out there.

Agreed. People probably said it was an experienced manager or failure for Malky and he delivered us promotion and a cup final

The difference is Malky spent a large portion of his career playing in the Championship and then assisted and managed at Watford in the Championship, doing very well there on limited resources. Malky knew what the Championship was all about.

So any manager other than pulis will fail hmmmmmmmm

Let me put it to you this way. We are not an attractive club to manage right now. I believe there are three types of managers who would consider coming to us:-

1) Young, inexperienced managers at a lesser club who are still learning and still making mistakes.
2) A yes man.
3) A manager who isn't very good.

All the good managers will have much better options than us. For someone like Pulis to declare himself available to us with his successful track record is too good an opportunity to turn down. I firmly believe if Tan doesn't appoint Pulis, we will fail. There isn't another candidate who comes close!

If you accept that we are in the top dozen or so championship clubs as far as potential is concerned, then including the PL clubs there are about 30 or so top jobs in the English League, and Cardiff would probably be considered to be one of them.
If half these clubs sacked their managers tomorrow, that would still only mean 15 vacancies become available. I agree that through the course of this season, it will be inevitable that some jobs will become available at bigger clubs than ours. But even if you put our club as the 30th biggest club at present, I doubt if more than 10 jobs will become available this season at clubs that are bigger and with more potential than us. That will still leave a number of good managers who will remain without jobs, and I think many of these would rather take a risk with us than move to a smaller club in the lower divisions.

Because a manager is a success at one club, doesn't always mean he will be a success wherever he goes. There is often an element of luck involved, and sometimes a manager just happens to be in the right place at the right time with the right group of players.
Look at the managers who have come to the likes of Chelsea, Man City etc. They come on the back of brilliant reputations and successes, and then leave with their tails between their legs.
I like Pulis, but supporters need to know that he wouldn't come with any guarantees. I disagree that it's Pulis or failure. There are plenty of good managers out there.

Mark, I agree no manager can bring guarantees no matter how good he is. But surely you would rather us appoint a manager like Pulis who has had a way more successful career than any of our other potential candidates? Pulis' experience of bringing success to several different clubs will surely mean he is much more likely to bring us success than anyone else we can attract right now, especially as Pulis has succeeded in this country at this level.

Yes, I agree that there is a reasonable chance that Pulis will be good for the club. I think that it is important that we realise that he may also fail, because it wouldn't be the first time that a manager with a proven track record moves to a new club and doesn't come up with the expected results. I would like him to be given the chance, but I would also like him to be given time as well, and not have everyone on his back if results don't go his way at the beginning. I think we need to make a good appointment, and accept that whoever comes in can't guarantee us promotion.

Limited funds?? He had 60m at Stoke

Please explain where Pulis spent this "60m" during their promotion winning season? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80 ... .C._season

I didn't say during their promotion season. It was clearly meant on a whole.

Your still wrong as Pulis spent a net £87.6m over the 5 years he managed them in the PL. An average of £17.5m each year approx a half of what MM spent last season after our promotion and about £5m less than OGS has spent on an underperforming Championship squad.

The season Pulis took Stoke up he did so with a net transfer spend of - £270k.

Ole's net spend this summer is like -10m, and in January his net spend was like 3m.

its hilarious how people on here spend their time trying to disprove someone else? must take ages to troll thru google looking for facts and figures ect just to say nah nah nah told you so!

its hilarious how people on here spend their time trying to disprove someone else? must take ages to troll thru google looking for facts and figures ect just to say nah nah nah told you so!

Hmmm not really, those are just off the top off my head, I think the 3m figure came from that Statement Tan made about overpsending, and the -10m I worked out with the sales of Medel and Caulker bringing at least 8m. I'm not trying to disprove or troll anyone, just stating some relevant facts for whats being discussed.

Whatever you say about Ole he didn't overspend and always sold to buy pretty much, he has brought in some great prospects but doesn't know how to manage them all together.