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angelis1949 wrote:We were never going to make the playoffs, certainly not under Russell Slade, the perpetual bridesmaid never been the bride manager, if we want Premiership football to watch we need two things to happen, one an owner to invest in the team, and two a far better manager than Russell Slade, do those two things and we might, just might get what we all want
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stickywicket wrote:Slade stuffed up by leaving o'keefe out.apparatly he was rested.
with no mid week game next week that was a piss poor decision.
The only way we will make the play offs is if Wednesday do a dave jones.
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Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:50 pm
stickywicket wrote:Slade stuffed up by leaving o'keefe out.apparatly he was rested.
with no mid week game next week that was a piss poor decision.
The only way we will make the play offs is if Wednesday do a dave jones.
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Sat Apr 09, 2016 8:26 pm
Stringfellow wrote:stickywicket wrote:Slade stuffed up by leaving o'keefe out.apparatly he was rested.
with no mid week game next week that was a piss poor decision.
The only way we will make the play offs is if Wednesday do a dave jones.
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When I seen no okeefe or Pilks I said we won't win, to see he was on bench confused me and presumed he had a knock. Mom last week.
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Forever Blue wrote:In my honest opinion NO
We are Def not consistent enough under Slade to win 4 games out of 5
Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:50 am
Ridiculous decision and Slade has learned nothing he's only been decent for 2 months out of his tenure here (Feb to Now) lets remember in January everyone (just about) was calling for him to go and saying the embargo was a blessing as Slade couldn't f**k up anymore transfers. He's not the man to take us forwarddavids wrote:Stringfellow wrote:stickywicket wrote:Slade stuffed up by leaving o'keefe out.apparatly he was rested.
with no mid week game next week that was a piss poor decision.
The only way we will make the play offs is if Wednesday do a dave jones.
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When I seen no okeefe or Pilks I said we won't win, to see he was on bench confused me and presumed he had a knock. Mom last week.
Slade said O'Keefe was "rested".![]()
He's a young professional sportsman who has just had a two week break from football and has been in excellent form in the last two games.
So what does Slade do? He "rotates" him.![]()
We've got five games to go - is this the time to be "rotating" the team,especially after a decent performance at the league leaders in midweek?
Has Slade learned nothing in all his 700 odd games as a manager? His inexperience at this level has cost us again I'm afraid.
Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:06 am
darran1927 wrote:this for me is one of the reasons Slade needs to go he has done a decent job but he doesn't have the killer instinct to kill teams off we lack a striker and that's down to Slade yes we didn't have much moneey but Slade has wasted money albeit smaller than Malky (cornelious) but he signed players clearly not good enough upfront in Revell,Doyle and Saadi (always injured) . You look back at Dave Jones when he had no money to spend and used the loan market superbly to make us a real threat at this level. Dave Jones could identify players that could turn into gems
Chopra as example when he first signed was a very small fee ,Bothroyd again the same ,Mckormac the same all these players signed for nexxt to nothing turned into quality players for us upfront, this is something Slade can't do and doesn't have the ability to do I think he's at most a manager who could manage in the championship but would never take you up
Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:12 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:this for me is one of the reasons Slade needs to go he has done a decent job but he doesn't have the killer instinct to kill teams off we lack a striker and that's down to Slade yes we didn't have much moneey but Slade has wasted money albeit smaller than Malky (cornelious) but he signed players clearly not good enough upfront in Revell,Doyle and Saadi (always injured) . You look back at Dave Jones when he had no money to spend and used the loan market superbly to make us a real threat at this level. Dave Jones could identify players that could turn into gems
Chopra as example when he first signed was a very small fee ,Bothroyd again the same ,Mckormac the same all these players signed for nexxt to nothing turned into quality players for us upfront, this is something Slade can't do and doesn't have the ability to do I think he's at most a manager who could manage in the championship but would never take you up
Bit confused as you seem to be saying Dave Jones was a good manger because he couldn't get us promoted on a shoe string, but Slade has no ability because he also can't get us promoted on a shoe string![]()
Slade's strikers have been disappointing but DJ also had a few dead ducks in that department which you don't mention. Lex was signed under Slade's watch and I would argue he is as good as any of the successful DJ signings. Also DJ had several goes at getting us promoted (& failed) where as RS has only had one full season. Finally DJ cost us £800,000pa where Slade costs a fraction of that to get us to practically the same position in the league.
Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:36 am
darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:this for me is one of the reasons Slade needs to go he has done a decent job but he doesn't have the killer instinct to kill teams off we lack a striker and that's down to Slade yes we didn't have much moneey but Slade has wasted money albeit smaller than Malky (cornelious) but he signed players clearly not good enough upfront in Revell,Doyle and Saadi (always injured) . You look back at Dave Jones when he had no money to spend and used the loan market superbly to make us a real threat at this level. Dave Jones could identify players that could turn into gems
Chopra as example when he first signed was a very small fee ,Bothroyd again the same ,Mckormac the same all these players signed for nexxt to nothing turned into quality players for us upfront, this is something Slade can't do and doesn't have the ability to do I think he's at most a manager who could manage in the championship but would never take you up
Bit confused as you seem to be saying Dave Jones was a good manger because he couldn't get us promoted on a shoe string, but Slade has no ability because he also can't get us promoted on a shoe string![]()
Slade's strikers have been disappointing but DJ also had a few dead ducks in that department which you don't mention. Lex was signed under Slade's watch and I would argue he is as good as any of the successful DJ signings. Also DJ had several goes at getting us promoted (& failed) where as RS has only had one full season. Finally DJ cost us £800,000pa where Slade costs a fraction of that to get us to practically the same position in the league.
I wasn't on about promotions(where did I mention promotins?) I was on about the difference between managers being able to identify good players on shoe string which Slade is clearly not aas good as Dave Jones was . Yes Lex is a good player but my point is Slade hasn't been able to identify a good striker on a shoe string and Dave Jones did and I listed 3 strikers he did this with
Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:00 pm
Lex isn't a striker(hes a midfielder) and if you read my response I said "yes Lex is a good player"??? . Yes DJ made failures (what manager doesn't)but he made more good signings than bad , Slade has made more bad than good . I've listed 3 stikers DAve Jones made on as shoestring that were probably turned into 3 of the best strikers in the league what strikers has Slade signed Revell gone to MKDons in a relegation battle ,Doyle gone to Preston mid table and he barely scores , Saadi constantly injured and wwas sighned injured also, and Ameobi who is one the worst players I have seenTony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:darran1927 wrote:this for me is one of the reasons Slade needs to go he has done a decent job but he doesn't have the killer instinct to kill teams off we lack a striker and that's down to Slade yes we didn't have much moneey but Slade has wasted money albeit smaller than Malky (cornelious) but he signed players clearly not good enough upfront in Revell,Doyle and Saadi (always injured) . You look back at Dave Jones when he had no money to spend and used the loan market superbly to make us a real threat at this level. Dave Jones could identify players that could turn into gems
Chopra as example when he first signed was a very small fee ,Bothroyd again the same ,Mckormac the same all these players signed for nexxt to nothing turned into quality players for us upfront, this is something Slade can't do and doesn't have the ability to do I think he's at most a manager who could manage in the championship but would never take you up
Bit confused as you seem to be saying Dave Jones was a good manger because he couldn't get us promoted on a shoe string, but Slade has no ability because he also can't get us promoted on a shoe string![]()
Slade's strikers have been disappointing but DJ also had a few dead ducks in that department which you don't mention. Lex was signed under Slade's watch and I would argue he is as good as any of the successful DJ signings. Also DJ had several goes at getting us promoted (& failed) where as RS has only had one full season. Finally DJ cost us £800,000pa where Slade costs a fraction of that to get us to practically the same position in the league.
I wasn't on about promotions(where did I mention promotins?) I was on about the difference between managers being able to identify good players on shoe string which Slade is clearly not aas good as Dave Jones was . Yes Lex is a good player but my point is Slade hasn't been able to identify a good striker on a shoe string and Dave Jones did and I listed 3 strikers he did this with
If you were referring to DJ's ability to spot a potential striker when compared to Slade then why only mention Slade's failure's (no reference to Lex) and not mention DJ's failures?
FYI here is a list of DJ's finest Warren Feeney, Luigi Glombard, Kevin Campbell, Malvin Kamara, Guylain Ndumbu-Nsungu, Eddie Johnson and Iwan Redan. We could also throw in the fortune spent on Robbie (always injured) Fowler or Jimmy (over the hill) Floyd Hasselbaink's wages.
So again I make the point that we paid DJ £800,000pa to 'find' gems like the above whilst Slade is paid a fraction of that to get us to the same position.
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Bluebird since 1948 wrote:We just hit some great form and beat some good teams and we still didn't make the play off positions. There is no chance in hell we win 4 out of 5, this team don't have it in them to do that.
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Stringfellow wrote:Why do we need to win four from five Carl?
Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:04 pm
carlccfc wrote:Stringfellow wrote:Why do we need to win four from five Carl?
Because Gareth, we are five points behind Sheffield Wednesday who are in the final play off place at this current time. That means we have to win at least two more than Wednesday do.
I expect Wednesday to win their next two games, which are at home, versus Ipswich Town and MK Dons. They then play Derby away, if they lose that one and we have won against Bolton on the same day, providing we have beaten QPR and Brentford, the gap would be two points still.
We then go to Wednesday, if we won then we overtake them, but I don't see us getting a win there to be honest, if we drew then we would have to beat Birmingham on the final day and hope Wolves beat Wednesday at Molineux, we can't finish on the same points as Wednesday as our goal difference is so inferior.
Maybe Derby are the team that we hope to overtake and for that to happen Derby must lose a minimum of 3 of their 5 remaining games.
If they lose their next two games, versus Charlton and Bristol City, which are both away games, providing we have beaten QPR and Brentford, we will still be a point behind them when they face Wednesday at home, so even if they lose that one, they will have lost 3 in a row and us to have won all 3 at the same time to go two points clear of them with two to play.
In my opinion, I believe four wins is the most likely we would need to achieve a play off place and still need a spectacular fall by either Derby or Wednesday to overtake either of them.
It is possible of course.
Plus of course Russell believed we needed 4 wins from our final 7 games and in the last two we have drawn and lost.
Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:13 pm
Stringfellow wrote:carlccfc wrote:Stringfellow wrote:Why do we need to win four from five Carl?
Because Gareth, we are five points behind Sheffield Wednesday who are in the final play off place at this current time. That means we have to win at least two more than Wednesday do.
I expect Wednesday to win their next two games, which are at home, versus Ipswich Town and MK Dons. They then play Derby away, if they lose that one and we have won against Bolton on the same day, providing we have beaten QPR and Brentford, the gap would be two points still.
We then go to Wednesday, if we won then we overtake them, but I don't see us getting a win there to be honest, if we drew then we would have to beat Birmingham on the final day and hope Wolves beat Wednesday at Molineux, we can't finish on the same points as Wednesday as our goal difference is so inferior.
Maybe Derby are the team that we hope to overtake and for that to happen Derby must lose a minimum of 3 of their 5 remaining games.
If they lose their next two games, versus Charlton and Bristol City, which are both away games, providing we have beaten QPR and Brentford, we will still be a point behind them when they face Wednesday at home, so even if they lose that one, they will have lost 3 in a row and us to have won all 3 at the same time to go two points clear of them with two to play.
In my opinion, I believe four wins is the most likely we would need to achieve a play off place and still need a spectacular fall by either Derby or Wednesday to overtake either of them.
It is possible of course.
Plus of course Russell believed we needed 4 wins from our final 7 games and in the last two we have drawn and lost.
Very in depth and makes total sense, but being the championship it won't pan out like that. Did you expect a 4-1 defeat Sat? I don't think we will need 4 wins providing one of our wins comes at hills borough. We have however got 3 home games so achievable
Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:17 pm