BEEP AHM wrote:I am not knocking the man but he isn't all that - twice Gareth Bale saved his job, goal against Scotland and goal against Andorra, & tactically one dimensional - get Bellamy working alongside him now and I be happy to see him takeover
EalingBluebird wrote:BEEP AHM wrote:I am not knocking the man but he isn't all that - twice Gareth Bale saved his job, goal against Scotland and goal against Andorra, & tactically one dimensional - get Bellamy working alongside him now and I be happy to see him takeover
A Marc Robins goal saved Sir Alex Ferguson from the sack in his early Man United days too, its football, it's a results driven business. Doesn't mean Alex Ferguson "wasn't all that" as a result, as he went on to be Manchester Uniteds most successful ever manager.
Coleman is now our nations most successful manager of all time and deserves every single scrap of praise that his brought his way. A lot of our fans don't deserve a manager or a side like we have, we cry for decades to have a side and manager to be proud of, we finally get both at one time and people cant wait to stick in the boot.
We have one of the best defensive records in Europe - that has virtually nothing to do with Gareth Bale.
SwampCCFC wrote:EalingBluebird wrote:BEEP AHM wrote:I am not knocking the man but he isn't all that - twice Gareth Bale saved his job, goal against Scotland and goal against Andorra, & tactically one dimensional - get Bellamy working alongside him now and I be happy to see him takeover
A Marc Robins goal saved Sir Alex Ferguson from the sack in his early Man United days too, its football, it's a results driven business. Doesn't mean Alex Ferguson "wasn't all that" as a result, as he went on to be Manchester Uniteds most successful ever manager.
Coleman is now our nations most successful manager of all time and deserves every single scrap of praise that his brought his way. A lot of our fans don't deserve a manager or a side like we have, we cry for decades to have a side and manager to be proud of, we finally get both at one time and people cant wait to stick in the boot.
We have one of the best defensive records in Europe - that has virtually nothing to do with Gareth Bale.
yes, coleman is, but that doesnt mean it will transfer to club football where he doesnt have bale. look at his record before, it is patchy at best.
and for you to say the defensive record has nothing to do with bale is garbage. how many times does he head the ball away? how many times does he take the ball 70 yards when the team is stationed on the 22 yard box and take the pressure off?
scoring goals is the most difficult thing to do in football, and we have one of the best in the world at doing that currently. without him it is unlikely we would have even made the euros.
BEEP AHM wrote:Wales' success is down to 33% Toshack, 33% Speed and 33% Coleman - I wont cry if Coleman leaves that's for sure
EalingBluebird wrote:BEEP AHM wrote:Wales' success is down to 33% Toshack, 33% Speed and 33% Coleman - I wont cry if Coleman leaves that's for sure
I disagree. Toshack was an absolute waste of time for Wales, a dinosaur with the modern tactical awareness of a mushroom. He is praised for bringing kids into the team but the truth is he had no choice, when he took over a load of the old guard retired (many because he was appointed I may add). If you are to go into that era baring any actual fruit for where we find ourselves today then I would rather credit Brian Flynn than Toshack.
Speed did well for a short space of time after a pretty disasterous start. He instilled a level of professionalism and belief but I dont think he can be pinned for much of the credit for where we find ourselves today because there is barely anything left of his imprint regardless of what people would like to believe, we have a whole different philosophy and outlook from Speeds reign. We had to scrap that and leave it there as it wasnt working anymore under a different manager. He instilled the belief, that is still there today and for that he has my gratitude.
When Coleman came in he was told to keep it the same, he did as he was told and it clearly wasnt working. He then told the FAW that he does it his way or not at all. He has then made us into a counter attacking unit that has graced the best stage in European International football and has become our most successful ever manager and made use one of the best sides in European football. This is his side, make no mistake.
If we must apportion out % of contribution to todays successes in management terms then I would say 10% Flynn for nurturing the young players in a successful u-21 set up, 20% Speed for instilling professionalism and belief and 70% Coleman who has taken us to a level we have never been to in our history, doing it all his way and in his style.
BEEP AHM wrote:EalingBluebird wrote:BEEP AHM wrote:Wales' success is down to 33% Toshack, 33% Speed and 33% Coleman - I wont cry if Coleman leaves that's for sure
I disagree. Toshack was an absolute waste of time for Wales, a dinosaur with the modern tactical awareness of a mushroom. He is praised for bringing kids into the team but the truth is he had no choice, when he took over a load of the old guard retired (many because he was appointed I may add). If you are to go into that era baring any actual fruit for where we find ourselves today then I would rather credit Brian Flynn than Toshack.
Speed did well for a short space of time after a pretty disasterous start. He instilled a level of professionalism and belief but I dont think he can be pinned for much of the credit for where we find ourselves today because there is barely anything left of his imprint regardless of what people would like to believe, we have a whole different philosophy and outlook from Speeds reign. We had to scrap that and leave it there as it wasnt working anymore under a different manager. He instilled the belief, that is still there today and for that he has my gratitude.
When Coleman came in he was told to keep it the same, he did as he was told and it clearly wasnt working. He then told the FAW that he does it his way or not at all. He has then made us into a counter attacking unit that has graced the best stage in European International football and has become our most successful ever manager and made use one of the best sides in European football. This is his side, make no mistake.
If we must apportion out % of contribution to todays successes in management terms then I would say 10% Flynn for nurturing the young players in a successful u-21 set up, 20% Speed for instilling professionalism and belief and 70% Coleman who has taken us to a level we have never been to in our history, doing it all his way and in his style.
Coleman told to keep it the same??? by who??? that proves to me then that Coleman isn't all that. Any manager worth his salt would say I run this team as mine, that is what I get paid for. Have a look at who Toshack brought in early...and then you will realise his input
ianto13 wrote:So Toshack is a crap Manager? That's why he managed Real Madrid twice and took little Swansea from the 4th Division to the the 1st Division after we turned him down and why he has had almost 40 years in Football Management after an outstanding playing career. Unbelievable some people on this forum?
BEEP AHM wrote:I am not knocking the man but he isn't all that - twice Gareth Bale saved his job, goal against Scotland and goal against Andorra, & tactically one dimensional - get Bellamy working alongside him now and I be happy to see him takeover
SwampCCFC wrote:now is the time for coleman to cash in, if that is what he wants. management is very much a game of ups and downs. at one end you have the massively overhyped recent successes, including ranieri and coleman, and at the other end, managers cast off as useless. the truth is invariably somewhere in between.
coleman is nowhere near as good as people seem to think. what would he do at a small premier league team? do the same as what he did with wales but without the brilliance of gareth bale to paper over the cracks? that would be a recipe for disaster.
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