' DOES IT REALLY MATTER? '

Does it matter Jazz Richards didn't do the Ayatollah?

New Cardiff City Signing Welsh International Jazz Richards.

Cardiff City fans for over 25 years have had a tradition going that new players should do the Ayatollah on their debut and once they've done it,to many that player is a Bluebird.

Jazz Richards, who actually began his youth career at Cardiff, has long been associated with arch rivals Swansea after spending eight years at the Swans between 2007 and 2015,now he's a Bluebird.

SO

Yes, he should have done it
No, it's a fuss about nothing

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Fuss about nothing.Its amazing how some on here need anything to get their bitch fix.Next week they'll all be bitching about Tan for selling Fabio.After that it'll be some other poor f***er.

Does it matter? Not really.

I would however say it is disrespectful and unhelpful to him. If he was a Messi type player no doubt he would get away with it but in truth from what I've seen previously he is an average player who could do with the fans on his side which now I don't think will happen. He has just made his time here 100 times more difficult.

course he should have done it. Joker that also played crap. Maghoma gave him a torrid time. Deserves all the crap he got

What p***es me off is we're selling one of our best and passionate players for a f***ing jack! Everything about this season was positive until this

Of course it matters,just shows he has no respect for Cardiff

Ultimately it's up to him. I'm sure the Ayatollah causes offence to all sorts of communities, not just Swansea fans. Perhaps it's time to slowly let it disappear- it's a relic of the old days after all. Abusing the boy for standing up for his beliefs is not on - he's entitled to his own opinion. I just want him to play well. True fans will certainly not boo him.

[quote="bluebird58"]Ultimately it's up to him. I'm sure the Ayatollah causes offence to all sorts of communities, not just Swansea fans. Perhaps it's time to slowly let it disappear- it's a relic of the old days after all. Abusing the boy for standing up for his beliefs is not on - he's entitled to his own opinion. I just want him to play well. True fans will certainly not boo him.

Doing The Ayatollah is unique to us Cardiff Fans and as such should be respected. If you wear our shirt then respect our traditions. Let's hope all this is put to bed once and for all in his next appearance in a City shirt. Teza

I would prefer to see Kadeem developed into a wing-back and replace Richards eventually. I like Kadeem's explosiveness and think he could turn into a good player

Yes it matters, he's disrespected City.

Listen, some don't like singing songs, some don't like banter, some want to just sit there sipping Ovaltine with an occasional clap.

But, most clubs have something that makes them stand out, ours is the ayahtollah... Do it to show respect to the fans otherwise f**k off back to them.

Football is about passion not just what is being played on the feild... banter, singing gets you through a bad game, it's called having a bit of fun or you can just drink your Ovaltine.

Jazz repect the fans or we will be on your back for as long as you are with your Capitals team c#nt

I would prefer to see Kadeem developed into a wing-back and replace Richards eventually. I like Kadeem's explosiveness and think he could turn into a good player

Wing back is one of those positions where you can get away with not being the best defender. Any intelligent winger should be able to play it in my opinion. No one, Kennedy, Harris. Potentially even gunnar who has played right back.

It matters to some but not to the majority and in the grand scheme of things player Jazz Richards should be afforded a little latitude here

He certainly did 'tap' his head during the game and he applauded the fans on his way off in a fashion no better or worse than certain other players who just happen not to have played for our local rivals!

The Boo Boys (and a couple of others who have surprised me on the subject) have now set him up a treat for his home debut; a game against his former club's local rivals, QPR

I'm sure sections of the "Jack' support won't miss the opportunity to put pressure on him either!

If Jazz Richards is really was really so worried about "Doing the Ayatollah" or how he would be perceived in his hometown, then I'm sure he wouldn't have signed for Cardiff City FC (or maybe Paul Trollope) in the first place!

If any player is judged solely on his ability to tap himself on the head at the behest of the same people who will crucify him if he was then to make a mistake due to lack of concentration, then we're in for a pretty torrid season ahead!

The fact that it's the ayatollah and head slapping etc is irrelevant. It could be a kart wheel for all I care but the fact of the matter is, it's something that identifies us as part of the Cardiff city FC club. Something that is important IMO to the fans however silly it may seem and it is vital that everyone is pulling in the right direction. For a while with the rebrand we didn't have this and to think that a player refuses to do it is a real thorn in the club - however, I wasn't there and have no idea whether he actually refused or misheard etc etc or just concerntrating on the game. He may have thought I won't do it out of respect to the jacks and that it wouldn't be such a great deal but he's playing for us now and he started his youth career with us. It's great for a player to build abit of repor with the fans but him not doing it was the worst thing to do IMO.

yes it does matter.leave all the rivalry bollocks behind and he's a cardiff city player now he should embrace all things cardiff city and connect with the fans and if that be tapping your head when called out then so beit.

Another thread ... Think it has been talked about enough
City played well yesterday., ant that more important.

It might matter to a lot of you, but I could'nt care less if a player slaps his head or not. Don't give me the "it's part of our history" crap, because it's not. This did'nt exist during for the first 30 years that I supported the club, it's a relatively modern thing that started as a bit of fun 20 or so years back. How many other clubs insist that their players listen to them during a game, and concentrate on things like head slapping rather than the actual game. I would hope that players come over and applaud their fans at the end of a match, but I think there are far more important things in life to make a fuss about than whether or not a player slaps during a football match. If he had slapped his head whern asked, I'm sure we could have found something else to moan about.

It's more than a bit weird if a player doesn't want to obtain the support of his fans in our traditional bonding welcome.
(Over the past 30 years anyway)
Could then make it hard for fans to support him -

This is not good, and while people may scoff at the 'nonsence' of it.
It has aroused a lot of bad feelings already.

Who's being childish - the fans? Or the player?

Whatever your view, this has struck a cord and overridden any other issues about our first league game with our new formation and new manager.


Seems like it matters.......

The fact that it's the ayatollah and head slapping etc is irrelevant. It could be a kart wheel for all I care but the fact of the matter is, it's something that identifies us as part of the Cardiff city FC club. Something that is important IMO to the fans however silly it may seem and it is vital that everyone is pulling in the right direction. For a while with the rebrand we didn't have this and to think that a player refuses to do it is a real thorn in the club - however, I wasn't there and have no idea whether he actually refused or misheard etc etc or just concerntrating on the game. He may have thought I won't do it out of respect to the jacks and that it wouldn't be such a great deal but he's playing for us now and he started his youth career with us. It's great for a player to build abit of repor with the fans but him not doing it was the worst thing to do IMO.

Spot on. Those pointing out the Ayatollah is outdated etc are completely missing the point.

Rightly or wrongly I want and expect anyone playing for us to actually want to be at the club. He's obviously uncomfortable about playing for us so, in my view, he shouldn't be at the club.

I would assume though, that between his team mates, captain and manager he's going to be put right on a few things. QPR will be interesting.

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Andrew Owen
Andrew Owen Yes!!


David Compton
David Compton He was concentrating on his game probably.
Staying focused.




Terry Walker
Terry Walker i say leave the guy alone.....i have been a city supporter for over 50yrs...and i have never done it myself either....



Dave Harrison
Dave Harrison Would it kill him to do it once and get the fans on side



Richard Locke
Richard Locke Yes it does matter because it's about showing respect to your supporters




Adam Williams Gibb
Adam Williams Gibb Respect the fans, I was at the games to be a disrespectful towards us was shocking, one occasion the ball was off the pitch and players was with manager, we all pay a lot of money to watch Cardiff city so respect our fans, If I was the manager I would have very strong words and maybe a fine,

If he don't wanna be a bluebird and respect us then simply loan him out, shocking



Simon Rawbone
Simon Rawbone Definitely yes!! One of the things that bonds the players with the fans

If I had a choice between Jazz Richards doing the or playing well then I would take the latter every time.

He is a professional and providing he does his professional job correctly then I'm happy. If he decides to do the then I would be even happier

He's a Jack. He's a professional footballer. I can't imagine Perry, Ernie or Joe Dwyer doing it in reverse. John Lewis went to the Jacks as did Roger Gibbins, signed willingly but both were orginally in South Wales playing for Cardiff.
Leggy got stick when he started but got fans onside. I kinda respect the guy for having the bollox to stand his ground, let's hope he plays well,tackles and gets stuck in unlike the Wanker Malone, who for the odd Ayatohlla and one decent cross now and again was a coward.

If I had a choice between Jazz Richards doing the or playing well then I would take the latter every time.

He is a professional and providing he does his professional job correctly then I'm happy. If he decides to do the then I would be even happier

Spot on, Tony

I'm bemused by the blatant lies being told that Jazz Richards didn't react to fans throughout (or after) the game because he certainly did and I'm equally perplexed that they have now made his home debut a potential nightmare if he doesn't run out of the tunnel with his arms flapping like a Humming Bee's wings above his head!

If I had a choice between Jazz Richards doing the or playing well then I would take the latter every time.

He is a professional and providing he does his professional job correctly then I'm happy. If he decides to do the then I would be even happier

Spot on, Tony

I'm bemused by the blatant lies being told that Jazz Richards didn't react to fans throughout (or after) the game because he certainly did and I'm equally perplexed that they have now made his home debut a potential nightmare if he doesn't run out of the tunnel with his arms flapping like a Humming Bee's wings above his head!

All these posters saying he was concentrating on game is nonsense. The ball was out of play and a player down injured. 2 of our players went over and showed him what to do and he shook his head and said no. Fans was outraged at the time.
2nd half i think it was Freddie they got to do it. He didnt have a clue untill shown but managed it to a big roar from the away support.
Jazz didnt have a good game either which made things worse. Gave the ball away on numerous occasions and almost cost us a goal. I cant see him being a good signing. Hopefully Fabios back, if not then id consider Kadeem out there or another winger

TO show RESPECT to the supporters who spend their money and follow the team YES it does matter

TO show RESPECT to the supporters who spend their money and follow the team YES it does matter

pay good money to go away for him to show disrespect in my view. Upset a lot of people there

If I had a choice between Jazz Richards doing the or playing well then I would take the latter every time.

He is a professional and providing he does his professional job correctly then I'm happy. If he decides to do the then I would be even happier

Spot on, Tony

I'm bemused by the blatant lies being told that Jazz Richards didn't react to fans throughout (or after) the game because he certainly did and I'm equally perplexed that they have now made his home debut a potential nightmare if he doesn't run out of the tunnel with his arms flapping like a Humming Bee's wings above his head!

Chris,

I believe it matters that a player wearing a City shirt bonds with his fans and one way of doing that is by 'Doing the Ayatollah', he hasn't been asked to kiss the badge or hold up a flag saying 'f**k off Swansea', so I see no reason why a player would not want to be as one with the fans.

Regarding his home debut, if as some have said that he halfheartedly did the 'ayatollah' yesterday then his home debut will be just fine when he does the ayatollah on Sunday against QPR because we all know he will be asked to do it.

Personally I didn't see him do it yesterday though.

I am sure all will be good on Sunday.

If I had a choice between Jazz Richards doing the or playing well then I would take the latter every time.

He is a professional and providing he does his professional job correctly then I'm happy. If he decides to do the then I would be even happier

Spot on, Tony

I'm bemused by the blatant lies being told that Jazz Richards didn't react to fans throughout (or after) the game because he certainly did and I'm equally perplexed that they have now made his home debut a potential nightmare if he doesn't run out of the tunnel with his arms flapping like a Humming Bee's wings above his head!

Chris,

I believe it matters that a player wearing a City shirt bonds with his fans and one way of doing that is by 'Doing the Ayatollah', he hasn't been asked to kiss the badge or hold up a flag saying 'f**k off Swansea', so I see no reason why a player would not want to be as one with the fans.

Regarding his home debut, if as some have said that he halfheartedly did the 'ayatollah' yesterday then his home debut will be just fine when he does the ayatollah on Sunday against QPR because we all know he will be asked to do it.

Personally I didn't see him do it yesterday though.

I am sure all will be good on Sunday.

Carl you can also bond with supporters by going out and performing well on a constant basis. If JR refuses to do the then I would be disappointed but respect his decision not to do so PROVIDING he delivers on the pitch.

After all we are 'supporters' not Judges and Jury's passing sentence on the guy because of his personal desire not to do a gesture towards the crowd.

However we are Judges if the guy is not pulling his weight on the pitch.

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It's more than a bit weird if a player doesn't want to obtain the support of his fans in our traditional bonding welcome.
(Over the past 30 years anyway)
Could then make it hard for fans to support him -

This is not good, and while people may scoff at the 'nonsence' of it.
It has aroused a lot of bad feelings already.

Who's being childish - the fans? Or the player?

Whatever your view, this has struck a cord and overridden any other issues about our first league game with our new formation and new manager.


Seems like it matters.......

The issue here is one of perception in my opinion and by that I mean how the apparent failure of Jazz Richards to respond to a request from the fans to has been received by those very fans.

With the odd exception I think it is very difficult to find a player who is as fanatical about the club he plays for as the fans who support that club. Someone like Joe Dwyer is a good example of a fans type of player, home grown and willing to give everything for the club and it's fans.

There is no doubt that Jazz Richards did do the although maybe belatedly and he absolutely thanked the travelling fans at the end of the game.

As fans you get behind the team willing them to win every challenge and put everything they have on the line, as fans that's what you do and if in the process a player doesn't respond, like not doing the , well I can see how you can feel that it matters.

But, in my opinion, the thing that matters most of all is that the team played well and got a decent result and that there were 1800 fans who supported the team as passionately as they could.

We ALL need to move on and put this behind us. How does it go "Stronger Together"

Ultimately it's up to him. I'm sure the Ayatollah causes offence to all sorts of communities, not just Swansea fans. Perhaps it's time to slowly let it disappear- it's a relic of the old days after all. Abusing the boy for standing up for his beliefs is not on - he's entitled to his own opinion. I just want him to play well. True fans will certainly not boo him.

No way should the ayatollah die. It's no relic it's a massive part of history.