" CCFC (& Tan) won't admit they're wrong "

" CCFC (& Tan) won't admit their wrong "

By Chris Welsh Exile

My opinion is that without the fans then you haven't got a football club, simple really.

Yet the club for the last 4 years have done everything against the fans wishes.

Without banging on too much about the rebrand, it was a complete disaster, lost loads of fans because of it and plenty that have not returned since.

The badge, I'm sorry and i think I'm in the minority here, but the badge is a compromise at best, the worm dragon for me just doesn't do it, if it ain't a welsh dragon then no dragon is best, again that one is my opinion.

The atmosphere at the stadium, those that think the stadium is not capable of producing an atmosphere are wrong, it's been proved you can, look at the Welsh games etc, the problem is they are not listening once again to the fans, stewarding/standing/singing those that do attend will know what I mean. On numores occasions it's been suggested of moving the fans so that we can create the banter with the away lads but that by all account will NOT be done either, can they not see that this will create a better atmosphere and maybe just maybe (sarcasm there) the word would get out that it's good again going to watch City, and a few more would return.

Now all these fans favourites being sold, I'm all for it making sense on a business front, but when that saving is not being invested back into the playing staff then surely the club is getting a even less attractive proposition to support yet alone buy, so more fans will not be attending this season I fear.

Fans of football clubs are fickle (me included) but everyone has thier limit too how much they can take, hence why people are not attending and numbers are dwindling at every point I have made above.

But it wouldn't be that difficult to turn around in my opinion, stewards being a little more lenient, and moving the fans to where they want to be can be implemented easily and quickly, that would be the start of creating the atmosphere.

However the club won't listen and Vinny true to his word (after the no red no investment) is not spending, yet a small investment to him could easily see the club turn around, and either make it a success for him or a appealing club for someone else to buy.

We are the 12th biggest city in the UK, the 3rd or 4th biggest single football club city in the UK, so sure,y a Premiership club city, and this does not include the surrounding areas where a lot of the die hards still attending are from, we have proved in the top flight that the crowds will come (fickle like I said) getting into the premiership on the right basis and we are a club that could bring the support to accomplish it.

Yet they dont listen ?!

Bring in a footballing CEO
Bring in a Director of football that can support the existing management team, Lenny is acting as an assistant so it's not him.
Bring in 3 or 4 key players
Do the things above to create the atmosphere within the stadium

Watch the fans return, paying fans mean more income, ffp naturally goes away.
For Tan that wouldn't cost a lot and he could create a legacy still.
Or at least create a club that investors would bite his hand off to buy, nowadays a premiership club with right setup is a good investment, I listened to a piece yesterday where they were saying that the TV money for the EPL is going to continue to grow as globally the brand is getting bigger and bigger each season.

Or do nothing by not listening, keep selling the best players and not replacing with anything decent and watch the attendances slip below 8k and eventually sell at a huge loss with a bad reputation.

Can they not see, will they not hear, cos they sure as hell don't tell us anything - 3 wise monkey jokes welcome.

Appologies for the rant, I'm usually very optimistic but perhaps even I'm getting to the point that enough is enough.

Hopefully a case of clearing the decks of over paid players to enable the club to then invest in new players more wisely under financial fair play. Won't happen until next season

Hopefully a case of clearing the decks of over paid players to enable the club to then invest in new players more wisely under financial fair play. Won't happen until next season

won't happen full stop!

All fair points that I totally relate to mate.

The only thing I will say, and I'm not sure how true it is... But apparently we're being forced to sell our players because unless we shaved 10m off this summer then we'll be hit with FFP again. Which could explain the player situation. But it's not a blameless situation, OGS for picking shit players and the club directors for giving him so much to spend with no thought for the future. Naive, ignorant and utterly idiotic from top to bottom.

Agree with most of that apart from DOF they rarely work in this country and don't see that changing .
On the swapping of the ends they should do this. I know families who sit in the family stand and always get abuse from the away fans and it's not what they want their kids to hear.

I hate that bloody badge too. Just awful.

I wonder if Tan has even considered that if he cuts and cuts some more we will eventually go down. If he puts us more than a good season away from the premiership then he'll never be able to move us on, short of completely writing off the debt. I don't see any further investment from Tan but at least he is paying the bills and the only debt is to him.

Paul Trollope will really earn his wages just keeping us up to be honest. There is at least some semblance of a system under Trollope - It was anything but under Slade and Oli.

Investment in red nothing in blue he made it quite clear everyone said once we were back in blue the fans would return. Really

Same here, don't like that f*cking worm on the badge.

The article makes some good points and plans should begin now to switch the Canton with the Grange for next season.

However, the call for more investment completely misses the point of FFP. It simply cannot be done because we are not generating enough income to invest huge amounts of cash in new players.

The article makes some good points and plans should begin now to switch the Canton with the Grange for next season.

However, the call for more investment completely misses the point of FFP. It simply cannot be done because we are not generating enough income to invest huge amounts of cash in new players.

Why switch it just let people stand up in 117/116

" CCFC (& Tan) won't admit their wrong "

By Chris Welsh Exile

My opinion is that without the fans then you haven't got a football club, simple really.

Yet the club for the last 4 years have done everything against the fans wishes.

Without banging on too much about the rebrand, it was a complete disaster, lost loads of fans because of it and plenty that have not returned since.

The badge, I'm sorry and i think I'm in the minority here, but the badge is a compromise at best, the worm dragon for me just doesn't do it, if it ain't a welsh dragon then no dragon is best, again that one is my opinion.

The atmosphere at the stadium, those that think the stadium is not capable of producing an atmosphere are wrong, it's been proved you can, look at the Welsh games etc, the problem is they are not listening once again to the fans, stewarding/standing/singing those that do attend will know what I mean. On numores occasions it's been suggested of moving the fans so that we can create the banter with the away lads but that by all account will NOT be done either, can they not see that this will create a better atmosphere and maybe just maybe (sarcasm there) the word would get out that it's good again going to watch City, and a few more would return.

Now all these fans favourites being sold, I'm all for it making sense on a business front, but when that saving is not being invested back into the playing staff then surely the club is getting a even less attractive proposition to support yet alone buy, so more fans will not be attending this season I fear.

Fans of football clubs are fickle (me included) but everyone has thier limit too how much they can take, hence why people are not attending and numbers are dwindling at every point I have made above.

But it wouldn't be that difficult to turn around in my opinion, stewards being a little more lenient, and moving the fans to where they want to be can be implemented easily and quickly, that would be the start of creating the atmosphere.

However the club won't listen and Vinny true to his word (after the no red no investment) is not spending, yet a small investment to him could easily see the club turn around, and either make it a success for him or a appealing club for someone else to buy.

We are the 12th biggest city in the UK, the 3rd or 4th biggest single football club city in the UK, so sure,y a Premiership club city, and this does not include the surrounding areas where a lot of the die hards still attending are from, we have proved in the top flight that the crowds will come (fickle like I said) getting into the premiership on the right basis and we are a club that could bring the support to accomplish it.

Yet they dont listen ?!

Bring in a footballing CEO
Bring in a Director of football that can support the existing management team, Lenny is acting as an assistant so it's not him.
Bring in 3 or 4 key players
Do the things above to create the atmosphere within the stadium

Watch the fans return, paying fans mean more income, ffp naturally goes away.
For Tan that wouldn't cost a lot and he could create a legacy still.
Or at least create a club that investors would bite his hand off to buy, nowadays a premiership club with right setup is a good investment, I listened to a piece yesterday where they were saying that the TV money for the EPL is going to continue to grow as globally the brand is getting bigger and bigger each season.

Or do nothing by not listening, keep selling the best players and not replacing with anything decent and watch the attendances slip below 8k and eventually sell at a huge loss with a bad reputation.

Can they not see, will they not hear, cos they sure as hell don't tell us anything - 3 wise monkey jokes welcome.

Appologies for the rant, I'm usually very optimistic but perhaps even I'm getting to the point that enough is enough.

People also blamed red and said if we changed back to blue fans would come pouring back - they haven't. Drop the ticket prices, we said - people still haven't come back.

How many times have we all said, owners/players come and go but it is the fans that are the club - it's about time we took some responsibility as fans for where we are rather than blaming owner after owner.

There are clubs who are in worse positions than us or haven't had the 'success' we've seen over the last decade that consistently attract bigger crowds - why don't we hear excuses from them?! If we'd sold another 5000 ST's we might now have the striker we need or we might not be selling Marshall.

The reality is unless we are winning, people can't be bothered - it's the way it is now and it's the way it was long before VT's time.

" CCFC (& Tan) won't admit their wrong "

By Chris Welsh Exile

My opinion is that without the fans then you haven't got a football club, simple really.

Yet the club for the last 4 years have done everything against the fans wishes.

Without banging on too much about the rebrand, it was a complete disaster, lost loads of fans because of it and plenty that have not returned since.

The badge, I'm sorry and i think I'm in the minority here, but the badge is a compromise at best, the worm dragon for me just doesn't do it, if it ain't a welsh dragon then no dragon is best, again that one is my opinion.

The atmosphere at the stadium, those that think the stadium is not capable of producing an atmosphere are wrong, it's been proved you can, look at the Welsh games etc, the problem is they are not listening once again to the fans, stewarding/standing/singing those that do attend will know what I mean. On numores occasions it's been suggested of moving the fans so that we can create the banter with the away lads but that by all account will NOT be done either, can they not see that this will create a better atmosphere and maybe just maybe (sarcasm there) the word would get out that it's good again going to watch City, and a few more would return.

Now all these fans favourites being sold, I'm all for it making sense on a business front, but when that saving is not being invested back into the playing staff then surely the club is getting a even less attractive proposition to support yet alone buy, so more fans will not be attending this season I fear.

Fans of football clubs are fickle (me included) but everyone has thier limit too how much they can take, hence why people are not attending and numbers are dwindling at every point I have made above.

But it wouldn't be that difficult to turn around in my opinion, stewards being a little more lenient, and moving the fans to where they want to be can be implemented easily and quickly, that would be the start of creating the atmosphere.

However the club won't listen and Vinny true to his word (after the no red no investment) is not spending, yet a small investment to him could easily see the club turn around, and either make it a success for him or a appealing club for someone else to buy.

We are the 12th biggest city in the UK, the 3rd or 4th biggest single football club city in the UK, so sure,y a Premiership club city, and this does not include the surrounding areas where a lot of the die hards still attending are from, we have proved in the top flight that the crowds will come (fickle like I said) getting into the premiership on the right basis and we are a club that could bring the support to accomplish it.

Yet they dont listen ?!

Bring in a footballing CEO
Bring in a Director of football that can support the existing management team, Lenny is acting as an assistant so it's not him.
Bring in 3 or 4 key players
Do the things above to create the atmosphere within the stadium

Watch the fans return, paying fans mean more income, ffp naturally goes away.
For Tan that wouldn't cost a lot and he could create a legacy still.
Or at least create a club that investors would bite his hand off to buy, nowadays a premiership club with right setup is a good investment, I listened to a piece yesterday where they were saying that the TV money for the EPL is going to continue to grow as globally the brand is getting bigger and bigger each season.

Or do nothing by not listening, keep selling the best players and not replacing with anything decent and watch the attendances slip below 8k and eventually sell at a huge loss with a bad reputation.

Can they not see, will they not hear, cos they sure as hell don't tell us anything - 3 wise monkey jokes welcome.

Appologies for the rant, I'm usually very optimistic but perhaps even I'm getting to the point that enough is enough.

People also blamed red and said if we changed back to blue fans would come pouring back - they haven't. Drop the ticket prices, we said - people still haven't come back.

How many times have we all said, owners/players come and go but it is the fans that are the club - it's about time we took some responsibility as fans for where we are rather than blaming owner after owner.

There are clubs who are in worse positions than us or haven't had the 'success' we've seen over the last decade that consistently attract bigger crowds - why don't we hear excuses from them?! If we'd sold another 5000 ST's we might now have the striker we need or we might not be selling Marshall.

The reality is unless we are winning, people can't be bothered - it's the way it is now and it's the way it was long before VT's time.

top post ,totally agree we got a lot of glory supporters

The article makes some good points and plans should begin now to switch the Canton with the Grange for next season.

However, the call for more investment completely misses the point of FFP. It simply cannot be done because we are not generating enough income to invest huge amounts of cash in new players.

Why switch it just let people stand up in 117/116

There are all kinds of regulations the club have to comply with over standing. Whilst a cut in capacity wouldn't exactly hurt us at the moment a fine certainly would.

There is also an issue of other users of the Ninian Stand who have their view blocked by standing supporters. Rather than run another pointless club vs fans issue it would be easier to kill 2 birds with one stone by making the Grange End the standing area next to the away following in order to create an atmosphere.

People also blamed red and said if we changed back to blue fans would come pouring back - they haven't. Drop the ticket prices, we said - people still haven't come back.

How many times have we all said, owners/players come and go but it is the fans that are the club - it's about time we took some responsibility as fans for where we are rather than blaming owner after owner.

There are clubs who are in worse positions than us or haven't had the 'success' we've seen over the last decade that consistently attract bigger crowds - why don't we hear excuses from them?! If we'd sold another 5000 ST's we might now have the striker we need or we might not be selling Marshall.

The reality is unless we are winning, people can't be bothered - it's the way it is now and it's the way it was long before VT's time.

top post ,totally agree we got a lot of glory supporters

Or we USED to have a lot of glory supporters

I hate that bloody badge too. Just awful.

Yes, I'm not sure why he says he's in a minority own that point!

" CCFC (& Tan) won't admit their wrong "

By Chris Welsh Exile

My opinion is that without the fans then you haven't got a football club, simple really.

Yet the club for the last 4 years have done everything against the fans wishes.

Without banging on too much about the rebrand, it was a complete disaster, lost loads of fans because of it and plenty that have not returned since.

The badge, I'm sorry and i think I'm in the minority here, but the badge is a compromise at best, the worm dragon for me just doesn't do it, if it ain't a welsh dragon then no dragon is best, again that one is my opinion.

The atmosphere at the stadium, those that think the stadium is not capable of producing an atmosphere are wrong, it's been proved you can, look at the Welsh games etc, the problem is they are not listening once again to the fans, stewarding/standing/singing those that do attend will know what I mean. On numores occasions it's been suggested of moving the fans so that we can create the banter with the away lads but that by all account will NOT be done either, can they not see that this will create a better atmosphere and maybe just maybe (sarcasm there) the word would get out that it's good again going to watch City, and a few more would return.

Now all these fans favourites being sold, I'm all for it making sense on a business front, but when that saving is not being invested back into the playing staff then surely the club is getting a even less attractive proposition to support yet alone buy, so more fans will not be attending this season I fear.

Fans of football clubs are fickle (me included) but everyone has thier limit too how much they can take, hence why people are not attending and numbers are dwindling at every point I have made above.

But it wouldn't be that difficult to turn around in my opinion, stewards being a little more lenient, and moving the fans to where they want to be can be implemented easily and quickly, that would be the start of creating the atmosphere.

However the club won't listen and Vinny true to his word (after the no red no investment) is not spending, yet a small investment to him could easily see the club turn around, and either make it a success for him or a appealing club for someone else to buy.

We are the 12th biggest city in the UK, the 3rd or 4th biggest single football club city in the UK, so sure,y a Premiership club city, and this does not include the surrounding areas where a lot of the die hards still attending are from, we have proved in the top flight that the crowds will come (fickle like I said) getting into the premiership on the right basis and we are a club that could bring the support to accomplish it.

Yet they dont listen ?!

Bring in a footballing CEO
Bring in a Director of football that can support the existing management team, Lenny is acting as an assistant so it's not him.
Bring in 3 or 4 key players
Do the things above to create the atmosphere within the stadium

Watch the fans return, paying fans mean more income, ffp naturally goes away.
For Tan that wouldn't cost a lot and he could create a legacy still.
Or at least create a club that investors would bite his hand off to buy, nowadays a premiership club with right setup is a good investment, I listened to a piece yesterday where they were saying that the TV money for the EPL is going to continue to grow as globally the brand is getting bigger and bigger each season.

Or do nothing by not listening, keep selling the best players and not replacing with anything decent and watch the attendances slip below 8k and eventually sell at a huge loss with a bad reputation.

Can they not see, will they not hear, cos they sure as hell don't tell us anything - 3 wise monkey jokes welcome.

Appologies for the rant, I'm usually very optimistic but perhaps even I'm getting to the point that enough is enough.

People also blamed red and said if we changed back to blue fans would come pouring back - they haven't. Drop the ticket prices, we said - people still haven't come back.

How many times have we all said, owners/players come and go but it is the fans that are the club - it's about time we took some responsibility as fans for where we are rather than blaming owner after owner.

There are clubs who are in worse positions than us or haven't had the 'success' we've seen over the last decade that consistently attract bigger crowds - why don't we hear excuses from them?! If we'd sold another 5000 ST's we might now have the striker we need or we might not be selling Marshall.

The reality is unless we are winning, people can't be bothered - it's the way it is now and it's the way it was long before VT's time.

The article makes some good points and plans should begin now to switch the Canton with the Grange for next season.

However, the call for more investment completely misses the point of FFP. It simply cannot be done because we are not generating enough income to invest huge amounts of cash in new players.

If done correctly the swapping of the ends could be implemented quire quickly during the season, the stewarding could be addressed quickly also, this will bring some fans back.

The wages saved on Fabio and Marshal plus thier fees can contribute towards playing staff.

I honestly believe the people running the club did not see the transfer embargo coming in last January due to thier naivety, and I wouldn't be surprised that it could have been avoided had we had someone who understood football at the helm.

And it wouldn't surprise me if it could be avoided easily enough this season, imagine if they changed the stands, relaxed the stewarding and created a great atmosphere over the next 10 home games then offered an exceptional offer on half season tickets for Jan and something additional for full renewel of existing season ticket holders if they paid in Jan - more income due to the better atmosphere, which has spurned on the 2 or 3 or 4 new signings we need which means we are in or around the play offs, which has created more walk ups on the day = more income.

I haven't got all the answers, but I bet they are out there..

If Tan is really in it for the business then he knows the premiership is the wholly grail in football, so sell Dickio to FC soditanyway for enough money to avoid ffp and prob solved - prob against the rules that one, but you should get my point that there must be a work around.

" CCFC (& Tan) won't admit their wrong "

By Chris Welsh Exile

My opinion is that without the fans then you haven't got a football club, simple really.

Yet the club for the last 4 years have done everything against the fans wishes.

Without banging on too much about the rebrand, it was a complete disaster, lost loads of fans because of it and plenty that have not returned since.

The badge, I'm sorry and i think I'm in the minority here, but the badge is a compromise at best, the worm dragon for me just doesn't do it, if it ain't a welsh dragon then no dragon is best, again that one is my opinion.

The atmosphere at the stadium, those that think the stadium is not capable of producing an atmosphere are wrong, it's been proved you can, look at the Welsh games etc, the problem is they are not listening once again to the fans, stewarding/standing/singing those that do attend will know what I mean. On numores occasions it's been suggested of moving the fans so that we can create the banter with the away lads but that by all account will NOT be done either, can they not see that this will create a better atmosphere and maybe just maybe (sarcasm there) the word would get out that it's good again going to watch City, and a few more would return.

Now all these fans favourites being sold, I'm all for it making sense on a business front, but when that saving is not being invested back into the playing staff then surely the club is getting a even less attractive proposition to support yet alone buy, so more fans will not be attending this season I fear.

Fans of football clubs are fickle (me included) but everyone has thier limit too how much they can take, hence why people are not attending and numbers are dwindling at every point I have made above.

But it wouldn't be that difficult to turn around in my opinion, stewards being a little more lenient, and moving the fans to where they want to be can be implemented easily and quickly, that would be the start of creating the atmosphere.

However the club won't listen and Vinny true to his word (after the no red no investment) is not spending, yet a small investment to him could easily see the club turn around, and either make it a success for him or a appealing club for someone else to buy.

We are the 12th biggest city in the UK, the 3rd or 4th biggest single football club city in the UK, so sure,y a Premiership club city, and this does not include the surrounding areas where a lot of the die hards still attending are from, we have proved in the top flight that the crowds will come (fickle like I said) getting into the premiership on the right basis and we are a club that could bring the support to accomplish it.

Yet they dont listen ?!

Bring in a footballing CEO
Bring in a Director of football that can support the existing management team, Lenny is acting as an assistant so it's not him.
Bring in 3 or 4 key players
Do the things above to create the atmosphere within the stadium

Watch the fans return, paying fans mean more income, ffp naturally goes away.
For Tan that wouldn't cost a lot and he could create a legacy still.
Or at least create a club that investors would bite his hand off to buy, nowadays a premiership club with right setup is a good investment, I listened to a piece yesterday where they were saying that the TV money for the EPL is going to continue to grow as globally the brand is getting bigger and bigger each season.

Or do nothing by not listening, keep selling the best players and not replacing with anything decent and watch the attendances slip below 8k and eventually sell at a huge loss with a bad reputation.

Can they not see, will they not hear, cos they sure as hell don't tell us anything - 3 wise monkey jokes welcome.

Appologies for the rant, I'm usually very optimistic but perhaps even I'm getting to the point that enough is enough.

People also blamed red and said if we changed back to blue fans would come pouring back - they haven't. Drop the ticket prices, we said - people still haven't come back.

How many times have we all said, owners/players come and go but it is the fans that are the club - it's about time we took some responsibility as fans for where we are rather than blaming owner after owner.

There are clubs who are in worse positions than us or haven't had the 'success' we've seen over the last decade that consistently attract bigger crowds - why don't we hear excuses from them?! If we'd sold another 5000 ST's we might now have the striker we need or we might not be selling Marshall.

The reality is unless we are winning, people can't be bothered - it's the way it is now and it's the way it was long before VT's time.

Exactly, you can't win if your selling some of your best players and not replacing with as good or better. And when you don't the attendances drop and therefore the income, as I previously said I have not got all the answers, but the club don't seem to be doing anything positive to bring the income (fans) back, and my point therefore stands that with no fans then we don't or won't have a club to support.

I hate that bloody badge too. Just awful.

Yes, I'm not sure why he says he's in a minority own that point!

Perhaps we should have a pole on worm dragon or no worm dragon lol

I even hate the emoji of it, maybe someone could accidentally delete that ?

But really pleased that I may not be in the minority on it though.

" CCFC (& Tan) won't admit their wrong "

By Chris Welsh Exile

My opinion is that without the fans then you haven't got a football club, simple really.

Yet the club for the last 4 years have done everything against the fans wishes.

Without banging on too much about the rebrand, it was a complete disaster, lost loads of fans because of it and plenty that have not returned since.

The badge, I'm sorry and i think I'm in the minority here, but the badge is a compromise at best, the worm dragon for me just doesn't do it, if it ain't a welsh dragon then no dragon is best, again that one is my opinion.

The atmosphere at the stadium, those that think the stadium is not capable of producing an atmosphere are wrong, it's been proved you can, look at the Welsh games etc, the problem is they are not listening once again to the fans, stewarding/standing/singing those that do attend will know what I mean. On numores occasions it's been suggested of moving the fans so that we can create the banter with the away lads but that by all account will NOT be done either, can they not see that this will create a better atmosphere and maybe just maybe (sarcasm there) the word would get out that it's good again going to watch City, and a few more would return.

Now all these fans favourites being sold, I'm all for it making sense on a business front, but when that saving is not being invested back into the playing staff then surely the club is getting a even less attractive proposition to support yet alone buy, so more fans will not be attending this season I fear.

Fans of football clubs are fickle (me included) but everyone has thier limit too how much they can take, hence why people are not attending and numbers are dwindling at every point I have made above.

But it wouldn't be that difficult to turn around in my opinion, stewards being a little more lenient, and moving the fans to where they want to be can be implemented easily and quickly, that would be the start of creating the atmosphere.

However the club won't listen and Vinny true to his word (after the no red no investment) is not spending, yet a small investment to him could easily see the club turn around, and either make it a success for him or a appealing club for someone else to buy.

We are the 12th biggest city in the UK, the 3rd or 4th biggest single football club city in the UK, so sure,y a Premiership club city, and this does not include the surrounding areas where a lot of the die hards still attending are from, we have proved in the top flight that the crowds will come (fickle like I said) getting into the premiership on the right basis and we are a club that could bring the support to accomplish it.

Yet they dont listen ?!

Bring in a footballing CEO
Bring in a Director of football that can support the existing management team, Lenny is acting as an assistant so it's not him.
Bring in 3 or 4 key players
Do the things above to create the atmosphere within the stadium

Watch the fans return, paying fans mean more income, ffp naturally goes away.
For Tan that wouldn't cost a lot and he could create a legacy still.
Or at least create a club that investors would bite his hand off to buy, nowadays a premiership club with right setup is a good investment, I listened to a piece yesterday where they were saying that the TV money for the EPL is going to continue to grow as globally the brand is getting bigger and bigger each season.

Or do nothing by not listening, keep selling the best players and not replacing with anything decent and watch the attendances slip below 8k and eventually sell at a huge loss with a bad reputation.

Can they not see, will they not hear, cos they sure as hell don't tell us anything - 3 wise monkey jokes welcome.

Appologies for the rant, I'm usually very optimistic but perhaps even I'm getting to the point that enough is enough.

People also blamed red and said if we changed back to blue fans would come pouring back - they haven't. Drop the ticket prices, we said - people still haven't come back.

How many times have we all said, owners/players come and go but it is the fans that are the club - it's about time we took some responsibility as fans for where we are rather than blaming owner after owner.

There are clubs who are in worse positions than us or haven't had the 'success' we've seen over the last decade that consistently attract bigger crowds - why don't we hear excuses from them?! If we'd sold another 5000 ST's we might now have the striker we need or we might not be selling Marshall.

The reality is unless we are winning, people can't be bothered - it's the way it is now and it's the way it was long before VT's time.

Exactly, you can't win if your selling some of your best players and not replacing with as good or better. And when you don't the attendances drop and therefore the income, as I previously said I have not got all the answers, but the club don't seem to be doing anything positive to bring the income (fans) back, and my point therefore stands that with no fans then we don't or won't have a club to support.

But in a world of FFP if the income isn't there, then the club has no choice but to sell players and before
re-investing need to balance the books. I don't know the figures, but would be interested to see how many clubs in L1 and 2 get bigger crowds than us - by definition, they will surely have worse players than us!!

I hate that bloody badge too. Just awful.

Yes, I'm not sure why he says he's in a minority own that point!

Perhaps we should have a pole on worm dragon or no worm dragon lol

I even hate the emoji of it, maybe someone could accidentally delete that ?

But really pleased that I may not be in the minority on it though.

I think it was the better of several evils, so most (certainly not all) fans accepted it over the previous 'Beer Mat', as it was our proper badge with that small addition

The irony is that most people who are not Cardiff City supporters ask what it is and in response say: "Oh, really! I didn't see that!" LOL

Sadly, I think it's here to stay as long as the top man is but I agree with the Emoji thing and will make that recommendation, as I don't recall it being used much...thank goodness!

"glory hunters!".I've been hunting for over 40 years and found precious little unless you count lower league success and winning the welsh cup.

Chris Welsh Exile I entirely agree with your thoughts. Excellent post!

The article makes some good points and plans should begin now to switch the Canton with the Grange for next season.

However, the call for more investment completely misses the point of FFP. It simply cannot be done because we are not generating enough income to invest huge amounts of cash in new players.

Why switch it just let people stand up in 117/116

Why not do both. Come at them from both sides al la lower grandstand and grange end.

Chris Welsh Exile I entirely agree with your thoughts. Excellent post!

Thanks mate.

And Sven thanks for suggesting the the worm dragon emoji goes,

The rebrand the badge are/were a f*cking embarrassing. We've lost thousands of fans.Tan gave us a season in the premier league and seems to be trying to make us financial sellable /self sufficient. Personally hes a c**t who fucked the club which will only recover once he leaves.

It's all Malkys fault. Everything that has ever come wrong in the world - he is to blame for it.

Get rid of Tan. He's not interested in the club. He's going to take as much money as he can and then he will go. I wish he would hurry up, then we can start afresh.