' I Disagree regarding Rickie Lambert? '

' I Disagree regarding Rickie Lambert? '

I thought Rickie Lambert was unfit,to slow and City did not get the ball to him enough, but when they did get the ball to him, he was very sluggish.
If he is still a quality striker,my only worry is we won't see the best of him for another 4 or 5 games and thats more points dropped.

Of course he has quality and that never goes away,but is he past his sell by date,hopefully not?

A bit like Joe Bennett, but even worse with him, signed him injured and by the time he's properly fit quarter of the season will have gone by

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Paul Trollope has found a chest of gold at the end of the window

By Phil Smith

18/09/16

Speaking of Rickie Lambert, the big man showed a different level to what we have seen so far this season with his hold up play.

This was an exhibition of clever touches and physical strength.

Good passes here, deft touches with his chest there.

The last week must have put his body under a fair strain given his lack of football over the last couple of seasons, but this was heartening to watch.

The key, as ever, will be whether Cardiff have the pace and intensity to exploit the numerous counter-attacking opportunities he will create.

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I couldn't disagree more on Lambert!! He looked class to me and it's just the support players like Gunnarsson, Ralls, No one, etc didn't have the brains to play off him.

He is a focal point not some workhorse that runs around like a headless chicken.

I couldn't disagree more on Lambert!! He looked class to me and it's just the support players like Gunnarsson, Ralls, No one, etc didn't have the brains to play off him.

He is a focal point not some workhorse that runs around like a headless chicken.

Agree. He looked class and if he had the movement too he'd be still in the Prem IMHO

I couldn't disagree more on Lambert!! He looked class to me and it's just the support players like Gunnarsson, Ralls, No one, etc didn't have the brains to play off him.

He is a focal point not some workhorse that runs around like a headless chicken.

spot on

I thought Rickie Lambert was unfit,to slow and City did not get the ball to him enough, but when they did get the ball to him, he was very sluggish.
If he is still a quality striker,my only worry is we won't see the best of him for another 4 or 5 games and thats more points dropped.

Of course he has quality and that never goes away,but is he past his sell by date,hopefully not?

A bit like Joe Bennett, but even worse with him, signed him injured and by the time he's properly fit quarter of the season will have gone by

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Paul Trollope has found a chest of gold at the end of the window

By Phil Smith

18/09/16

Speaking of Rickie Lambert, the big man showed a different level to what we have seen so far this season with his hold up play.

This was an exhibition of clever touches and physical strength.

Good passes here, deft touches with his chest there.

The last week must have put his body under a fair strain given his lack of football over the last couple of seasons, but this was heartening to watch.

The key, as ever, will be whether Cardiff have the pace and intensity to exploit the numerous counter-attacking opportunities he will create.

I think you saw the same game as me Annis, The big question for me is

Is Lambert just not match fit or considering his age are his legs gone.

I hope its the former as he could be a good player for us if we can get players forward quickly enough to support him

Our biggest problem playing 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 the lack of pace throughout the team and January is a long time away and maybe too late

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@David Samuel
Trollope needed to take him off felt sorry for him nobody within 20 yards of him at times?

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@David Samuel
Trollope needed to take him off felt sorry for him nobody within 20 yards of him at times?

yes and 6 static players on the half way line watching when we have the ball in the Leeds penalty area

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@David Samuel
Trollope needed to take him off felt sorry for him nobody within 20 yards of him at times?

Totally disagree with your view on Lambert,it was the people around him who were never on the same wavelength as the ex English international,Trollope's inability to get more pace injected in midfield through the transfer window was completely inascusable

Annis I heard you on Call Rob Phillips and was taken aback by what you said. Ricky Lambert probably isn't totally match fit but no way is he that bad.

I loved his hold up play, when the ball got to him it stuck. He was winning headers it was just that his flicks went to no-one as their was no support from midfield or out wide. I would like Pilks to come inside and play nearer to him.

I thought Rickie Lambert was unfit,to slow and City did not get the ball to him enough, but when they did get the ball to him, he was very sluggish.
If he is still a quality striker,my only worry is we won't see the best of him for another 4 or 5 games and thats more points dropped.

Of course he has quality and that never goes away,but is he past his sell by date,hopefully not?

A bit like Joe Bennett, but even worse with him, signed him injured and by the time he's properly fit quarter of the season will have gone by

Opinions


Paul Trollope has found a chest of gold at the end of the window

By Phil Smith

18/09/16

Speaking of Rickie Lambert, the big man showed a different level to what we have seen so far this season with his hold up play.

This was an exhibition of clever touches and physical strength.

Good passes here, deft touches with his chest there.

The last week must have put his body under a fair strain given his lack of football over the last couple of seasons, but this was heartening to watch.

The key, as ever, will be whether Cardiff have the pace and intensity to exploit the numerous counter-attacking opportunities he will create.

I disagree with you he looked class held the ball up well and looked to get others in to the play the problem is he needs other players to play off him sadly trollope doesn't know how you do that

Ok Gents how many shots did the Leeds goalie make?

I do agree, Lambert needs better service.

But my opinion he looked,slow,sluggish and over weight, what I do agree is that he has quality,but he's not fit.

Ok Gents how many shots did the Leeds goalie make?

I do agree, Lambert needs better service.

But my opinion he looked,slow,sluggish and over weight, what I do agree is that he has quality,but he's not fit.

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Never overweight Annis, looks very fit, BUT, he is not match fit at the moment and the only way he will get there is to play. The biggest problem yesterday was no one was getting ahead of him when he was winning all the headers that he did, a striker or midfielder that has the sense to know that he is going to win the headers and move into the spaces

Never overweight Annis, looks very fit, BUT, he is not match fit at the moment and the only way he will get there is to play. The biggest problem yesterday was no one was getting ahead of him when he was winning all the headers that he did, a striker or midfielder that has the sense to know that he is going to win the headers and move into the spaces

Exactly right. His control was fantastic and when he did have the ball he kept it, even when support was nowhere to be seen.

As I said, he's a focal point that we haven't had since Bothroyd, the rest of the team need to learn how to play with a class target man quickly.

He looked good on the ball but too slow to play a loan role.

Can't believe we signed another injured player in Bennett though.

He is obviously past his best, but can still do a job for us. He is good at holding up the ball and bringing others into play. He lacks pace, and while he may chip in with a few goals, he will not be a prolific goal scorer for us. He had an opportunity early on to get through with a potential one on one with their keeper but lacked the pace and their defender easily recovered the situation. With his lack of pace, and the general lack of pace throughout the team, I think he will struggle to get into double figures.

I thought Lambert was one of our better players! He had no service whatsoever burge held the ball up very well, won flick on and had a few clever touches. The issue we have is the delivery from the wings is dreadful and we have no one breaking, gambling on the flick ons or playing off the shoulder of the last man. Lambert is not the issue!

That was the first game i have watched this season and regardless whether you thought Lambert played well or not what was frightening was we were set up as if he was a 25 years old Lukaku or Benteke with all their athleticism with the modern 433 or 4231 (when gunnar tried to get closer) when it must be evident in training that those options are not there for him.

This season will be about partnerships. Whitts & Lambert clearly have above championship ability but their legs are not what they were so we need to compensate by giving them partners who compliment them.

Ok Gents how many shots did the Leeds goalie make?

I do agree, Lambert needs better service.

But my opinion he looked,slow,sluggish and over weight, what I do agree is that he has quality,but he's not fit.

Annis

I don't recall the Leeds keeper making any shots. In fact I don't think he got outside his own area

Ok Gents how many shots did the Leeds goalie make?

I do agree, Lambert needs better service.

But my opinion he looked,slow,sluggish and over weight, what I do agree is that he has quality,but he's not fit.

Annis

I don't recall the Leeds keeper making any shots. In fact I don't think he got outside his own area

What is it with us that we get a striker and turn them really shit ? Lambert is a class player but they need to play to his strengths. No service to him at all but that has been a long standing problem with us not getting the service.

What game was you watching Annis? Shocked to here make that call on Lambert.

Lambert was the only one who looked like a professional player when he had the ball, holding up the ball and linking up play as much as he could, the team let him down massively and he was my motm, he won the battle in the air and strength but no-one had a clue what to do, like they never played with a player of his quality, no-one was reading his play or even trying to make themselves available or get in behind.

Its not Lambert. It probably wasn't even fred. It is what it has always been. Mid field. Last year I felt it was the wrong bodies in the wrong places in the wrong numbers. Now it is the wrong bodies doing the wrong things.
Ralls and whitts cannot play in the same midfield with the players we have as they want to do the same things. That is go deep and pass it. We then lose a player from attack as they are both trying to sit back and control play. We thus have a player less for them to aim for and it's easier to defend. In addition none of our players with the exception of Harris want to actually attack players and commit them.
A lot is said about whitts making telling passes. True he is very accurate but from what I've seen its immers despite poor form who has been putting telling passes in. We are lacking runners and pace in attack. No one is flooding forward to support the attacking players.
All 3 midfielders yesterday are now deep lying players with gunnar trying his best to get forward but that's not his strengths. I thought he have his all yesterday but we all know he is better breaking things up and snapping at peoples heels. So for me we just keep selecting the wrong midfield players for the formation.
I know we don't have a bale and Ramsay for the wales formation but look at the midfield roles. Joe Allen breaks things up and spreads play and joins the attack. Whitts and ralls together don't do all that . ledley snaps at heels but he also attacks players and takes them on. Gunnar at least is trying to do that. Okeefe should make a difference but we still need someone to start frightening defenders a bit.

Its not Lambert. It probably wasn't even fred. It is what it has always been. Mid field. Last year I felt it was the wrong bodies in the wrong places in the wrong numbers. Now it is the wrong bodies doing the wrong things.
Ralls and whitts cannot play in the same midfield with the players we have as they want to do the same things. That is go deep and pass it. We then lose a player from attack as they are both trying to sit back and control play. We thus have a player less for them to aim for and it's easier to defend. In addition none of our players with the exception of Harris want to actually attack players and commit them.
A lot is said about whitts making telling passes. True he is very accurate but from what I've seen its immers despite poor form who has been putting telling passes in. We are lacking runners and pace in attack. No one is flooding forward to support the attacking players.
All 3 midfielders yesterday are now deep lying players with gunnar trying his best to get forward but that's not his strengths. I thought he have his all yesterday but we all know he is better breaking things up and snapping at peoples heels. So for me we just keep selecting the wrong midfield players for the formation.
I know we don't have a bale and Ramsay for the wales formation but look at the midfield roles. Joe Allen breaks things up and spreads play and joins the attack. Whitts and ralls together don't do all that . ledley snaps at heels but he also attacks players and takes them on. Gunnar at least is trying to do that. Okeefe should make a difference but we still need someone to start frightening defenders a bit.

I agree in parts all three are happy to be playing on the half way line but there are big salaries there and it takes a manager who is not their friend to sort it out !!!

Whitts is a Pirlo (not comparing him to Pirlo) type sitter a play maker someone who sets the tempo and switches play
Gunnar - I have no idea at best a stopper

They booth want/need to be in the same space, it can't work.

Ralls - I am convinced his best games were as a left midfielder in slades no winger asymmetric 442.

So for me its Malkys 4141 with Whitts as the sitter, Pilkington and Harris in wide midfield, with Immers and O'Keefe as CM's

Annis, he was never a player who would chase every ball. He's a goalscorer though and also very good at hold-up play.

But anyone who expected him to run around for 90 minutes will be disappointed.

Surprised by your comments though Annis. Most who went have been saying Lambert and Amos were our two best players - that's not saying much though.

I agree with the posters pointing out our midfield not supplying anything or being quick enough to support Lambert. Pilks and Noone were awful on Sat, they need to stretch defences down the flanks and put quality crosses into the box.

Lambert doesn't have a great scoring record since leaving Southampton. However, I don't blame him for not getting opportunities in this team. Trollope really needs to build the team around him and get the best from him.

I would start with Lambert and fred up top against Rotherham give their cbs more to worry about than 2 marking Lambert and no one exploiting gaps

Annis, he was never a player who would chase every ball. He's a goalscorer though and also very good at hold-up play.

But anyone who expected him to run around for 90 minutes will be disappointed.

Surprised by your comments though Annis. Most who went have been saying Lambert and Amos were our two best players - that's not saying much though.

Ned, I gave Ben Amos man of the match.

As to Rickie Lambert I never said he was not quality.
I said he looked unfit and sluggish, plus he is not getting the service.

I would love to look as unfit as Ricky Lambert, you should have gone to spec savers

I would love to look as unfit as Ricky Lambert, you should have gone to spec savers

I think this thread should go in the whoppers section