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" WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:57 am

" WHO IS TO REALLY BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY THIS SEASON? "

Cardiff City are currently at the bottom of the Championship with only one win from all nine games so far this season.


Paul Trollope is only our 'head coach' and not the 'manager'.

The responsibility for the team is 3 fold 1/3 each :

(1) Train and pick the team .... this is Trollope ( but only if there is no interference - otherwise he can't be held fully responsible).
Also who is responsible for his appointment?

(2) Receuit the players.....this is ?? it can't be Tan as he does not know the market and is too far away & busy?
The committee is a lark that can't be taken seriously surely?
Who ever it is is conveniently unaccountable and is leaving Paul Trollope to take all the flack.


(3) The recruitment policy & budget....this is Tan. Vincen Tan's economy drive is understandable in view of the £200 million exposure and continued £1m mothly loss . So poor Trollope is carrying 100% of the blame when he is only 20-33% responsible! Of course Trollope has failed his part but in mitigation he can only pick what is available. But what about the phantom others?


Your opinion?

Re: " WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:17 am

Annis, Trollope can only pick the players he believes can go out on the pitch against whatever opposition and can achieve results. If whatever system he is instructing those players to follow clearly isn't working it's his responsibility to change or adapt it using whatever means possible. My own thoughts having seen myself the defeat to Leeds is that he doesn't have any leaders on the pitch who could organise and motivate so unfortunately it is all down to him and his coaching staff to orchestrate. We have now lost 4 on the bounce and even if our Board and Tan are being generous he will have to show significant improvement in the next 3 games or I think he will be gone. Perhaps we will see in these games how much the players are performing for him too. Teza

Re: " WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:29 am

TERRYB wrote:Annis, Trollope can only pick the players he believes can go out on the pitch against whatever opposition and can achieve results. If whatever system he is instructing those players to follow clearly isn't working it's his responsibility to change or adapt it using whatever means possible. My own thoughts having seen myself the defeat to Leeds is that he doesn't have any leaders on the pitch who could organise and motivate so unfortunately it is all down to him and his coaching staff to orchestrate. We have now lost 4 on the bounce and even if our Board and Tan are being generous he will have to show significant improvement in the next 3 games or I think he will be gone. Perhaps we will see in these games how much the players are performing for him too. Teza



Terry, I do agree Trollope has to take some blame, but we've now had 5 managers DJ,Malky, Ole,Slade and Now Trollope in the current regimes 7 years and we've had 6 CEO'S.

So if we sack Trollope, Who will they go for next and that would be 6 managers ?

Re: " WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:45 am

Forever Blue wrote:" WHO IS TO REALLY BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY THIS SEASON? "

Cardiff City are currently at the bottom of the Championship with only one win from all nine games so far this season.


Paul Trollope is only our 'head coach' and not the 'manager'.

The responsibility for the team is 3 fold 1/3 each :

(1) Train and pick the team .... this is Trollope ( but only if there is no interference - otherwise he can't be held fully responsible).
Also who is responsible for his appointment?

(2) Receuit the players.....this is ?? it can't be Tan as he does not know the market and is too far away & busy?
The committee is a lark that can't be taken seriously surely?
Who ever it is is conveniently unaccountable and is leaving Paul Trollope to take all the flack.


(3) The recruitment policy & budget....this is Tan. Vincen Tan's economy drive is understandable in view of the £200 million exposure and continued £1m mothly loss . So poor Trollope is carrying 100% of the blame when he is only 20-33% responsible! Of course Trollope has failed his part but in mitigation he can only pick what is available. But what about the phantom others?


Your opinion?



Top to bottom I am afraid,

Tan (trying to run a club his way)

Board either not knowing enough about running a club or making poor decisions.

Stadium staff, not giving a hoot about their major asset, us!

Manager and staff, wrong people in the wrong place doing the wrong things, supporters appear to have a better view of who needs to come in and it would have been far cheaper in the long run.

Players, far to many signed and paid excessive amounts of money, this has continued at the lower end of the latest signings.

If Tan wants promotion, he needs to appoint a manager with pedigree and give him a budget, if you want to get promoted you need to spend at least 5-6m on strikers who can perform at this level.

The club has :digging2: a hole and lost thousands of fans for all the wrong reasons.

Will it get worse, Hmmmmmm :ayatollah:

Re: " WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:10 am

We have people running a football club who unfortunately, know very little about football. They may know how to run a business, but they need some help on the actual football front. I also stick by what I said at the start of the season, and that I don't believe we have as strong a squad as most fans on this forum are making out. I thought we were at best a mid table team, and I based that on the players rather than the coach.

Re: " WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:16 am

The manager is the most important decision. Sam Hammam had got it wrong for a while. The biggest investment should be a manager who will get the most out of whatever players they have. Tans only decent one was malky. When pulis was available that should have been our main target he would have come too

Re: " WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:17 am

Pulisnewport wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:" WHO IS TO REALLY BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY THIS SEASON? "

Cardiff City are currently at the bottom of the Championship with only one win from all nine games so far this season.


Paul Trollope is only our 'head coach' and not the 'manager'.

The responsibility for the team is 3 fold 1/3 each :

(1) Train and pick the team .... this is Trollope ( but only if there is no interference - otherwise he can't be held fully responsible).
Also who is responsible for his appointment?

(2) Receuit the players.....this is ?? it can't be Tan as he does not know the market and is too far away & busy?
The committee is a lark that can't be taken seriously surely?
Who ever it is is conveniently unaccountable and is leaving Paul Trollope to take all the flack.


(3) The recruitment policy & budget....this is Tan. Vincen Tan's economy drive is understandable in view of the £200 million exposure and continued £1m mothly loss . So poor Trollope is carrying 100% of the blame when he is only 20-33% responsible! Of course Trollope has failed his part but in mitigation he can only pick what is available. But what about the phantom others?


Your opinion?



Top to bottom I am afraid,

Tan (trying to run a club his way)

Board either not knowing enough about running a club or making poor decisions.

Stadium staff, not giving a hoot about their major asset, us!

Manager and staff, wrong people in the wrong place doing the wrong things, supporters appear to have a better view of who needs to come in and it would have been far cheaper in the long run.

Players, far to many signed and paid excessive amounts of money, this has continued at the lower end of the latest signings.

If Tan wants promotion, he needs to appoint a manager with pedigree and give him a budget, if you want to get promoted you need to spend at least 5-6m on strikers who can perform at this level.

The club has :digging2: a hole and lost thousands of fans for all the wrong reasons.

Will it get worse, Hmmmmmm :ayatollah:


Good post. Agree from top to bottom. Seems to be an extreme lack of football knowledge at the club & a lot of mistakes appear to have been made.

Re: " WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:45 am

bridgendbluebird30 wrote:
Pulisnewport wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:" WHO IS TO REALLY BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY THIS SEASON? "

Cardiff City are currently at the bottom of the Championship with only one win from all nine games so far this season.


Paul Trollope is only our 'head coach' and not the 'manager'.

The responsibility for the team is 3 fold 1/3 each :

(1) Train and pick the team .... this is Trollope ( but only if there is no interference - otherwise he can't be held fully responsible).
Also who is responsible for his appointment?

(2) Receuit the players.....this is ?? it can't be Tan as he does not know the market and is too far away & busy?
The committee is a lark that can't be taken seriously surely?
Who ever it is is conveniently unaccountable and is leaving Paul Trollope to take all the flack.


(3) The recruitment policy & budget....this is Tan. Vincen Tan's economy drive is understandable in view of the £200 million exposure and continued £1m mothly loss . So poor Trollope is carrying 100% of the blame when he is only 20-33% responsible! Of course Trollope has failed his part but in mitigation he can only pick what is available. But what about the phantom others?


Your opinion?



Top to bottom I am afraid,

Tan (trying to run a club his way)

Board either not knowing enough about running a club or making poor decisions.

Stadium staff, not giving a hoot about their major asset, us!

Manager and staff, wrong people in the wrong place doing the wrong things, supporters appear to have a better view of who needs to come in and it would have been far cheaper in the long run.

Players, far to many signed and paid excessive amounts of money, this has continued at the lower end of the latest signings.

If Tan wants promotion, he needs to appoint a manager with pedigree and give him a budget, if you want to get promoted you need to spend at least 5-6m on strikers who can perform at this level.

The club has :digging2: a hole and lost thousands of fans for all the wrong reasons.

Will it get worse, Hmmmmmm :ayatollah:


Good post. Agree from top to bottom. Seems to be an extreme lack of football knowledge at the club & a lot of mistakes appear to have been made.



yeah i agree and the board are still making mistakes imo, they just dont understand football and their drastic switch from one style of manager to the polar opposite shows this as we are now jumping on the wales band wagon cos we have no identity under the current regime, when you think under dave jones no matter how many players he had to bring on loans we always played the same way and it was good to watch, id take finishing outside the playoffs but playing exciting football any day of the week now

Re: " WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:20 pm

Said from the beginning of the season trollope is being set up to fail

Accountability falls on Tan for not taking control of the back staff

Re: " WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:58 pm

This is not going to be a popular response however as FANS we also need to take some of the blame;

- we turned on each other when we became red (you can argue that was Tan's fault, however fans giving each other abuse is down to the fans)

- we are quick to boo and get on our players backs, as I player I would enjoy playing away from home more than playing at home

- we have given up, the attendances are dwindling and I envy team like Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday who have true fans that support the team through good and bad times

I will always be Cardiff and will always support them no matter what league they are in, however the fans who turned on those who wore red and the fans who boo our team are part of the issue at Cardiff City.

I will now await the abuse :bluescarf:

Re: " WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:15 pm

I blame Mr Smooth ever since that cat started his predictions we have been on a downward slide.

Re: " WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:43 pm

boyo1927 wrote:The manager is the most important decision. Sam Hammam had got it wrong for a while. The biggest investment should be a manager who will get the most out of whatever players they have. Tans only decent one was malky. When pulis was available that should have been our main target he would have come too


From start to finish you mean :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: " WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:50 pm

You can't blame Trollope. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's year and he shouldn't have been offered the job in the first place. Yet who could blame him taking a job which had been offered to him, in an attempt to improve himself. The poor bugger probably didn't realise he'd be fighting with one hand tied behind his back. I feel sorry for him.

Re: " WHO IS REALLY TO BLAME FOR CARDIFF CITY "

Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:54 pm

boyo1927 wrote:The manager is the most important decision. Sam Hammam had got it wrong for a while. The biggest investment should be a manager who will get the most out of whatever players they have. Tans only decent one was malky. When pulis was available that should have been our main target he would have come too


Absolutely right. The sooner VT realizes this the better. I can't see this happening though.