Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:44 am
Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:57 am
Owain wrote:Sturgeon and the SNP were elected in Scotland with a manifesto that promised another Scottish referendum if there was ‘a significant and material change in the circumstances that prevailed in 2014, such as Scotland being taken out the EU against our will.’
Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:16 am
Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:16 am
Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:47 am
Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:00 am
Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:04 am
Owain wrote:I haven't said that, but one things for sure Brexit is currently a massive unknown.
It is exactly the example that the SNP gave for having another referendum if the Scottish people didn't vote for it, so it is fair enough that they should have another vote.
They may well vote to stay, and I'm guessing Project Fear will be rolled out by those that rubbished it during the Brexit campaign.
Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:42 am
Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:54 am
Jock wrote:Owain wrote:I haven't said that, but one things for sure Brexit is currently a massive unknown.
It is exactly the example that the SNP gave for having another referendum if the Scottish people didn't vote for it, so it is fair enough that they should have another vote.
They may well vote to stay, and I'm guessing Project Fear will be rolled out by those that rubbished it during the Brexit campaign.
Tell me the advantages of Scotland being independent.
Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:58 am
pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Yes give them another vote but when Brexit is complete so that people can have an informed opinion! not voting because an egotistical woman cannot wait to be a hero to the snp party. You have to question why Scots voted remain in the EU when the valley's here voted to leave after all valleys get huge pay outs from EU. Suppose we like the idea of being able to decide our future not have an uncountable beurocrocy telling us what to do and how to do it?
Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:34 pm
Owain wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Yes give them another vote but when Brexit is complete so that people can have an informed opinion! not voting because an egotistical woman cannot wait to be a hero to the snp party. You have to question why Scots voted remain in the EU when the valley's here voted to leave after all valleys get huge pay outs from EU. Suppose we like the idea of being able to decide our future not have an uncountable beurocrocy telling us what to do and how to do it?
So the Scots have to wait to see what 'Brexit' looks like, but the UK had to vote for some unknown outcome?
It's an interesting suggestion though, and I presume that you'd also be in favour of the UK as a whole being able to have another vote on the final Brexit deal with an informed opinion?
As for your second point on why the Valleys voted leave, well you have me stumped. Being able to decide their own future with a Tory party in charge in Westminster, and what looks to be a one party state for the foreseeable future?
Tell me Allan, when did the Valleys last vote for the Conservatives? And what about that House of Lords?
Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:11 pm
Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:13 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Yes give them another vote but when Brexit is complete so that people can have an informed opinion! not voting because an egotistical woman cannot wait to be a hero to the snp party. You have to question why Scots voted remain in the EU when the valley's here voted to leave after all valleys get huge pay outs from EU. Suppose we like the idea of being able to decide our future not have an uncountable beurocrocy telling us what to do and how to do it?
So the Scots have to wait to see what 'Brexit' looks like, but the UK had to vote for some unknown outcome?
It's an interesting suggestion though, and I presume that you'd also be in favour of the UK as a whole being able to have another vote on the final Brexit deal with an informed opinion?
As for your second point on why the Valleys voted leave, well you have me stumped. Being able to decide their own future with a Tory party in charge in Westminster, and what looks to be a one party state for the foreseeable future?
Tell me Allan, when did the Valleys last vote for the Conservatives? And what about that House of Lords?
No idea when valleys voted conservative last but my point was they get millions in aid from EU but chose to leave it? thought turkeys never voted for Xmas?
So SNP want to have a vote again because people in Scotland wanted to remain in EU do the people know what Brexit means to them NO as final details are not known hence people be voting for the unknown so cannot possibly have an informed idea what it means, are the SNP worried that Brexit won't be as bad as they thought and the people won't want independence like last vote? Bet if lose another vote they will find another excuse to have another referendum and another until people vote yes!!! Personally I say give them independence remove Westminster funding let then survive on oil revenues that have dropped 75% in a year I'm sure the people won't mind paying extra taxes to make up shortfall
Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:16 pm
wez1927 wrote:Ridge to Sturgeon:
* Scotland has a £15 billion deficit - higher than every EU member state
* Scotland's economy is growing a third of the speed of the rest of the EU
* SNP blames Westminster but trousers a £28 billon block grant from them
* SNP HAS been in government for years and needs to take responsibility
Game, set and match Ms Ridge...
Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:53 pm
Jock wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Yes give them another vote but when Brexit is complete so that people can have an informed opinion! not voting because an egotistical woman cannot wait to be a hero to the snp party. You have to question why Scots voted remain in the EU when the valley's here voted to leave after all valleys get huge pay outs from EU. Suppose we like the idea of being able to decide our future not have an uncountable beurocrocy telling us what to do and how to do it?
So the Scots have to wait to see what 'Brexit' looks like, but the UK had to vote for some unknown outcome?
It's an interesting suggestion though, and I presume that you'd also be in favour of the UK as a whole being able to have another vote on the final Brexit deal with an informed opinion?
As for your second point on why the Valleys voted leave, well you have me stumped. Being able to decide their own future with a Tory party in charge in Westminster, and what looks to be a one party state for the foreseeable future?
Tell me Allan, when did the Valleys last vote for the Conservatives? And what about that House of Lords?
No idea when valleys voted conservative last but my point was they get millions in aid from EU but chose to leave it? thought turkeys never voted for Xmas?
So SNP want to have a vote again because people in Scotland wanted to remain in EU do the people know what Brexit means to them NO as final details are not known hence people be voting for the unknown so cannot possibly have an informed idea what it means, are the SNP worried that Brexit won't be as bad as they thought and the people won't want independence like last vote? Bet if lose another vote they will find another excuse to have another referendum and another until people vote yes!!! Personally I say give them independence remove Westminster funding let then survive on oil revenues that have dropped 75% in a year I'm sure the people won't mind paying extra taxes to make up shortfall
I understand why you'd feel like that but a lot of decent hardworking people would then suffer because of the clowns that vote SNP. If Sturgeon loses she and the Natz are fooked but it's selfish and stupid to have another referendum pre Brexit. By the way all the money the Valleys and elsewhere got from the EU is paid for by British Taxpaye, we put in more than we get out.
Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:53 pm
Jock wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Yes give them another vote but when Brexit is complete so that people can have an informed opinion! not voting because an egotistical woman cannot wait to be a hero to the snp party. You have to question why Scots voted remain in the EU when the valley's here voted to leave after all valleys get huge pay outs from EU. Suppose we like the idea of being able to decide our future not have an uncountable beurocrocy telling us what to do and how to do it?
So the Scots have to wait to see what 'Brexit' looks like, but the UK had to vote for some unknown outcome?
It's an interesting suggestion though, and I presume that you'd also be in favour of the UK as a whole being able to have another vote on the final Brexit deal with an informed opinion?
As for your second point on why the Valleys voted leave, well you have me stumped. Being able to decide their own future with a Tory party in charge in Westminster, and what looks to be a one party state for the foreseeable future?
Tell me Allan, when did the Valleys last vote for the Conservatives? And what about that House of Lords?
No idea when valleys voted conservative last but my point was they get millions in aid from EU but chose to leave it? thought turkeys never voted for Xmas?
So SNP want to have a vote again because people in Scotland wanted to remain in EU do the people know what Brexit means to them NO as final details are not known hence people be voting for the unknown so cannot possibly have an informed idea what it means, are the SNP worried that Brexit won't be as bad as they thought and the people won't want independence like last vote? Bet if lose another vote they will find another excuse to have another referendum and another until people vote yes!!! Personally I say give them independence remove Westminster funding let then survive on oil revenues that have dropped 75% in a year I'm sure the people won't mind paying extra taxes to make up shortfall
I understand why you'd feel like that but a lot of decent hardworking people would then suffer because of the clowns that vote SNP. If Sturgeon loses she and the Natz are fooked but it's selfish and stupid to have another referendum pre Brexit. By the way all the money the Valleys and elsewhere got from the EU is paid for by British Taxpaye, we put in more than we get out.
Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:18 pm
JimCP91 wrote:Jock wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Yes give them another vote but when Brexit is complete so that people can have an informed opinion! not voting because an egotistical woman cannot wait to be a hero to the snp party. You have to question why Scots voted remain in the EU when the valley's here voted to leave after all valleys get huge pay outs from EU. Suppose we like the idea of being able to decide our future not have an uncountable beurocrocy telling us what to do and how to do it?
So the Scots have to wait to see what 'Brexit' looks like, but the UK had to vote for some unknown outcome?
It's an interesting suggestion though, and I presume that you'd also be in favour of the UK as a whole being able to have another vote on the final Brexit deal with an informed opinion?
As for your second point on why the Valleys voted leave, well you have me stumped. Being able to decide their own future with a Tory party in charge in Westminster, and what looks to be a one party state for the foreseeable future?
Tell me Allan, when did the Valleys last vote for the Conservatives? And what about that House of Lords?
No idea when valleys voted conservative last but my point was they get millions in aid from EU but chose to leave it? thought turkeys never voted for Xmas?
So SNP want to have a vote again because people in Scotland wanted to remain in EU do the people know what Brexit means to them NO as final details are not known hence people be voting for the unknown so cannot possibly have an informed idea what it means, are the SNP worried that Brexit won't be as bad as they thought and the people won't want independence like last vote? Bet if lose another vote they will find another excuse to have another referendum and another until people vote yes!!! Personally I say give them independence remove Westminster funding let then survive on oil revenues that have dropped 75% in a year I'm sure the people won't mind paying extra taxes to make up shortfall
I understand why you'd feel like that but a lot of decent hardworking people would then suffer because of the clowns that vote SNP. If Sturgeon loses she and the Natz are fooked but it's selfish and stupid to have another referendum pre Brexit. By the way all the money the Valleys and elsewhere got from the EU is paid for by British Taxpaye, we put in more than we get out.
On its own, Wales receives more from the EU than it gives, by around £79 per person. A report by the Welsh Governance Office found last May.
I think Scotland would be foolish to leave, but they do have the right for another referendum as that is the mandate they voted for.
They do have the potential to make a lot of money from offshore energy. But as pointed out above, the price of oil has dropped drastically recently. I think Gordon Browns proposal of a third vote, for change rather than just "Yes" or "No" is a good idea.
Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:31 pm
pembroke allan wrote:JimCP91 wrote:Jock wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Yes give them another vote but when Brexit is complete so that people can have an informed opinion! not voting because an egotistical woman cannot wait to be a hero to the snp party. You have to question why Scots voted remain in the EU when the valley's here voted to leave after all valleys get huge pay outs from EU. Suppose we like the idea of being able to decide our future not have an uncountable beurocrocy telling us what to do and how to do it?
So the Scots have to wait to see what 'Brexit' looks like, but the UK had to vote for some unknown outcome?
It's an interesting suggestion though, and I presume that you'd also be in favour of the UK as a whole being able to have another vote on the final Brexit deal with an informed opinion?
As for your second point on why the Valleys voted leave, well you have me stumped. Being able to decide their own future with a Tory party in charge in Westminster, and what looks to be a one party state for the foreseeable future?
Tell me Allan, when did the Valleys last vote for the Conservatives? And what about that House of Lords?
No idea when valleys voted conservative last but my point was they get millions in aid from EU but chose to leave it? thought turkeys never voted for Xmas?
So SNP want to have a vote again because people in Scotland wanted to remain in EU do the people know what Brexit means to them NO as final details are not known hence people be voting for the unknown so cannot possibly have an informed idea what it means, are the SNP worried that Brexit won't be as bad as they thought and the people won't want independence like last vote? Bet if lose another vote they will find another excuse to have another referendum and another until people vote yes!!! Personally I say give them independence remove Westminster funding let then survive on oil revenues that have dropped 75% in a year I'm sure the people won't mind paying extra taxes to make up shortfall
I understand why you'd feel like that but a lot of decent hardworking people would then suffer because of the clowns that vote SNP. If Sturgeon loses she and the Natz are fooked but it's selfish and stupid to have another referendum pre Brexit. By the way all the money the Valleys and elsewhere got from the EU is paid for by British Taxpaye, we put in more than we get out.
On its own, Wales receives more from the EU than it gives, by around £79 per person. A report by the Welsh Governance Office found last May.
I think Scotland would be foolish to leave, but they do have the right for another referendum as that is the mandate they voted for.
They do have the potential to make a lot of money from offshore energy. But as pointed out above, the price of oil has dropped drastically recently. I think Gordon Browns proposal of a third vote, for change rather than just "Yes" or "No" is a good idea.
Didn't know Wales contributed money to EU on its own thought UK gvmnt did it? As previously been mentioned our contribution to EU is greater than what we get back because we pay for failed economies and EU mandarins! At end of day Scotland is not self sufficient financially to be independent if vote leave UK that means no Money from Westminster, won't be in EU possibly for years if at all! Then what do SNP do? Think someone should ask el presidentè sturgeon what will they do then?
Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:38 pm
wez1927 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:JimCP91 wrote:Jock wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Yes give them another vote but when Brexit is complete so that people can have an informed opinion! not voting because an egotistical woman cannot wait to be a hero to the snp party. You have to question why Scots voted remain in the EU when the valley's here voted to leave after all valleys get huge pay outs from EU. Suppose we like the idea of being able to decide our future not have an uncountable beurocrocy telling us what to do and how to do it?
So the Scots have to wait to see what 'Brexit' looks like, but the UK had to vote for some unknown outcome?
It's an interesting suggestion though, and I presume that you'd also be in favour of the UK as a whole being able to have another vote on the final Brexit deal with an informed opinion?
As for your second point on why the Valleys voted leave, well you have me stumped. Being able to decide their own future with a Tory party in charge in Westminster, and what looks to be a one party state for the foreseeable future?
Tell me Allan, when did the Valleys last vote for the Conservatives? And what about that House of Lords?
No idea when valleys voted conservative last but my point was they get millions in aid from EU but chose to leave it? thought turkeys never voted for Xmas?
So SNP want to have a vote again because people in Scotland wanted to remain in EU do the people know what Brexit means to them NO as final details are not known hence people be voting for the unknown so cannot possibly have an informed idea what it means, are the SNP worried that Brexit won't be as bad as they thought and the people won't want independence like last vote? Bet if lose another vote they will find another excuse to have another referendum and another until people vote yes!!! Personally I say give them independence remove Westminster funding let then survive on oil revenues that have dropped 75% in a year I'm sure the people won't mind paying extra taxes to make up shortfall
I understand why you'd feel like that but a lot of decent hardworking people would then suffer because of the clowns that vote SNP. If Sturgeon loses she and the Natz are fooked but it's selfish and stupid to have another referendum pre Brexit. By the way all the money the Valleys and elsewhere got from the EU is paid for by British Taxpaye, we put in more than we get out.
On its own, Wales receives more from the EU than it gives, by around £79 per person. A report by the Welsh Governance Office found last May.
I think Scotland would be foolish to leave, but they do have the right for another referendum as that is the mandate they voted for.
They do have the potential to make a lot of money from offshore energy. But as pointed out above, the price of oil has dropped drastically recently. I think Gordon Browns proposal of a third vote, for change rather than just "Yes" or "No" is a good idea.
Didn't know Wales contributed money to EU on its own thought UK gvmnt did it? As previously been mentioned our contribution to EU is greater than what we get back because we pay for failed economies and EU mandarins! At end of day Scotland is not self sufficient financially to be independent if vote leave UK that means no Money from Westminster, won't be in EU possibly for years if at all! Then what do SNP do? Think someone should ask el presidentè sturgeon what will they do then?
Scotland would be worse off than greece straight away ,ffs Britain had to bail ireland out a few tears back Scotland's economy is a lot worse than irelands
Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:39 pm
wez1927 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:JimCP91 wrote:Jock wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Yes give them another vote but when Brexit is complete so that people can have an informed opinion! not voting because an egotistical woman cannot wait to be a hero to the snp party. You have to question why Scots voted remain in the EU when the valley's here voted to leave after all valleys get huge pay outs from EU. Suppose we like the idea of being able to decide our future not have an uncountable beurocrocy telling us what to do and how to do it?
So the Scots have to wait to see what 'Brexit' looks like, but the UK had to vote for some unknown outcome?
It's an interesting suggestion though, and I presume that you'd also be in favour of the UK as a whole being able to have another vote on the final Brexit deal with an informed opinion?
As for your second point on why the Valleys voted leave, well you have me stumped. Being able to decide their own future with a Tory party in charge in Westminster, and what looks to be a one party state for the foreseeable future?
Tell me Allan, when did the Valleys last vote for the Conservatives? And what about that House of Lords?
No idea when valleys voted conservative last but my point was they get millions in aid from EU but chose to leave it? thought turkeys never voted for Xmas?
So SNP want to have a vote again because people in Scotland wanted to remain in EU do the people know what Brexit means to them NO as final details are not known hence people be voting for the unknown so cannot possibly have an informed idea what it means, are the SNP worried that Brexit won't be as bad as they thought and the people won't want independence like last vote? Bet if lose another vote they will find another excuse to have another referendum and another until people vote yes!!! Personally I say give them independence remove Westminster funding let then survive on oil revenues that have dropped 75% in a year I'm sure the people won't mind paying extra taxes to make up shortfall
I understand why you'd feel like that but a lot of decent hardworking people would then suffer because of the clowns that vote SNP. If Sturgeon loses she and the Natz are fooked but it's selfish and stupid to have another referendum pre Brexit. By the way all the money the Valleys and elsewhere got from the EU is paid for by British Taxpaye, we put in more than we get out.
On its own, Wales receives more from the EU than it gives, by around £79 per person. A report by the Welsh Governance Office found last May.
I think Scotland would be foolish to leave, but they do have the right for another referendum as that is the mandate they voted for.
They do have the potential to make a lot of money from offshore energy. But as pointed out above, the price of oil has dropped drastically recently. I think Gordon Browns proposal of a third vote, for change rather than just "Yes" or "No" is a good idea.
Didn't know Wales contributed money to EU on its own thought UK gvmnt did it? As previously been mentioned our contribution to EU is greater than what we get back because we pay for failed economies and EU mandarins! At end of day Scotland is not self sufficient financially to be independent if vote leave UK that means no Money from Westminster, won't be in EU possibly for years if at all! Then what do SNP do? Think someone should ask el presidentè sturgeon what will they do then?
Scotland would be worse off than greece straight away ,ffs Britain had to bail ireland out a few tears back Scotland's economy is a lot worse than irelands
Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:45 pm
Jock wrote:wez1927 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:JimCP91 wrote:Jock wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Yes give them another vote but when Brexit is complete so that people can have an informed opinion! not voting because an egotistical woman cannot wait to be a hero to the snp party. You have to question why Scots voted remain in the EU when the valley's here voted to leave after all valleys get huge pay outs from EU. Suppose we like the idea of being able to decide our future not have an uncountable beurocrocy telling us what to do and how to do it?
So the Scots have to wait to see what 'Brexit' looks like, but the UK had to vote for some unknown outcome?
It's an interesting suggestion though, and I presume that you'd also be in favour of the UK as a whole being able to have another vote on the final Brexit deal with an informed opinion?
As for your second point on why the Valleys voted leave, well you have me stumped. Being able to decide their own future with a Tory party in charge in Westminster, and what looks to be a one party state for the foreseeable future?
Tell me Allan, when did the Valleys last vote for the Conservatives? And what about that House of Lords?
No idea when valleys voted conservative last but my point was they get millions in aid from EU but chose to leave it? thought turkeys never voted for Xmas?
So SNP want to have a vote again because people in Scotland wanted to remain in EU do the people know what Brexit means to them NO as final details are not known hence people be voting for the unknown so cannot possibly have an informed idea what it means, are the SNP worried that Brexit won't be as bad as they thought and the people won't want independence like last vote? Bet if lose another vote they will find another excuse to have another referendum and another until people vote yes!!! Personally I say give them independence remove Westminster funding let then survive on oil revenues that have dropped 75% in a year I'm sure the people won't mind paying extra taxes to make up shortfall
I understand why you'd feel like that but a lot of decent hardworking people would then suffer because of the clowns that vote SNP. If Sturgeon loses she and the Natz are fooked but it's selfish and stupid to have another referendum pre Brexit. By the way all the money the Valleys and elsewhere got from the EU is paid for by British Taxpaye, we put in more than we get out.
On its own, Wales receives more from the EU than it gives, by around £79 per person. A report by the Welsh Governance Office found last May.
I think Scotland would be foolish to leave, but they do have the right for another referendum as that is the mandate they voted for.
They do have the potential to make a lot of money from offshore energy. But as pointed out above, the price of oil has dropped drastically recently. I think Gordon Browns proposal of a third vote, for change rather than just "Yes" or "No" is a good idea.
Didn't know Wales contributed money to EU on its own thought UK gvmnt did it? As previously been mentioned our contribution to EU is greater than what we get back because we pay for failed economies and EU mandarins! At end of day Scotland is not self sufficient financially to be independent if vote leave UK that means no Money from Westminster, won't be in EU possibly for years if at all! Then what do SNP do? Think someone should ask el presidentè sturgeon what will they do then?
Scotland would be worse off than greece straight away ,ffs Britain had to bail ireland out a few tears back Scotland's economy is a lot worse than irelands
Scotland would be like Greece without the sunshine....folk that.
Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:53 pm
Jock wrote:wez1927 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:JimCP91 wrote:Jock wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Yes give them another vote but when Brexit is complete so that people can have an informed opinion! not voting because an egotistical woman cannot wait to be a hero to the snp party. You have to question why Scots voted remain in the EU when the valley's here voted to leave after all valleys get huge pay outs from EU. Suppose we like the idea of being able to decide our future not have an uncountable beurocrocy telling us what to do and how to do it?
So the Scots have to wait to see what 'Brexit' looks like, but the UK had to vote for some unknown outcome?
It's an interesting suggestion though, and I presume that you'd also be in favour of the UK as a whole being able to have another vote on the final Brexit deal with an informed opinion?
As for your second point on why the Valleys voted leave, well you have me stumped. Being able to decide their own future with a Tory party in charge in Westminster, and what looks to be a one party state for the foreseeable future?
Tell me Allan, when did the Valleys last vote for the Conservatives? And what about that House of Lords?
No idea when valleys voted conservative last but my point was they get millions in aid from EU but chose to leave it? thought turkeys never voted for Xmas?
So SNP want to have a vote again because people in Scotland wanted to remain in EU do the people know what Brexit means to them NO as final details are not known hence people be voting for the unknown so cannot possibly have an informed idea what it means, are the SNP worried that Brexit won't be as bad as they thought and the people won't want independence like last vote? Bet if lose another vote they will find another excuse to have another referendum and another until people vote yes!!! Personally I say give them independence remove Westminster funding let then survive on oil revenues that have dropped 75% in a year I'm sure the people won't mind paying extra taxes to make up shortfall
I understand why you'd feel like that but a lot of decent hardworking people would then suffer because of the clowns that vote SNP. If Sturgeon loses she and the Natz are fooked but it's selfish and stupid to have another referendum pre Brexit. By the way all the money the Valleys and elsewhere got from the EU is paid for by British Taxpaye, we put in more than we get out.
On its own, Wales receives more from the EU than it gives, by around £79 per person. A report by the Welsh Governance Office found last May.
I think Scotland would be foolish to leave, but they do have the right for another referendum as that is the mandate they voted for.
They do have the potential to make a lot of money from offshore energy. But as pointed out above, the price of oil has dropped drastically recently. I think Gordon Browns proposal of a third vote, for change rather than just "Yes" or "No" is a good idea.
Didn't know Wales contributed money to EU on its own thought UK gvmnt did it? As previously been mentioned our contribution to EU is greater than what we get back because we pay for failed economies and EU mandarins! At end of day Scotland is not self sufficient financially to be independent if vote leave UK that means no Money from Westminster, won't be in EU possibly for years if at all! Then what do SNP do? Think someone should ask el presidentè sturgeon what will they do then?
Scotland would be worse off than greece straight away ,ffs Britain had to bail ireland out a few tears back Scotland's economy is a lot worse than irelands
Scotland would be like Greece without the sunshine....folk that.
Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:54 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Jock wrote:wez1927 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:JimCP91 wrote:Jock wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Owain wrote:Give it a rest? Leaving the EU is a massive deal, especially 'hard brexit' with no intention of retaining single market access.
I think brexit is a justifiable reason for holding another referendum.
I thought you'd be happy with this though, given that you are suggesting they are such a drain on the UK?
Yes give them another vote but when Brexit is complete so that people can have an informed opinion! not voting because an egotistical woman cannot wait to be a hero to the snp party. You have to question why Scots voted remain in the EU when the valley's here voted to leave after all valleys get huge pay outs from EU. Suppose we like the idea of being able to decide our future not have an uncountable beurocrocy telling us what to do and how to do it?
So the Scots have to wait to see what 'Brexit' looks like, but the UK had to vote for some unknown outcome?
It's an interesting suggestion though, and I presume that you'd also be in favour of the UK as a whole being able to have another vote on the final Brexit deal with an informed opinion?
As for your second point on why the Valleys voted leave, well you have me stumped. Being able to decide their own future with a Tory party in charge in Westminster, and what looks to be a one party state for the foreseeable future?
Tell me Allan, when did the Valleys last vote for the Conservatives? And what about that House of Lords?
No idea when valleys voted conservative last but my point was they get millions in aid from EU but chose to leave it? thought turkeys never voted for Xmas?
So SNP want to have a vote again because people in Scotland wanted to remain in EU do the people know what Brexit means to them NO as final details are not known hence people be voting for the unknown so cannot possibly have an informed idea what it means, are the SNP worried that Brexit won't be as bad as they thought and the people won't want independence like last vote? Bet if lose another vote they will find another excuse to have another referendum and another until people vote yes!!! Personally I say give them independence remove Westminster funding let then survive on oil revenues that have dropped 75% in a year I'm sure the people won't mind paying extra taxes to make up shortfall
I understand why you'd feel like that but a lot of decent hardworking people would then suffer because of the clowns that vote SNP. If Sturgeon loses she and the Natz are fooked but it's selfish and stupid to have another referendum pre Brexit. By the way all the money the Valleys and elsewhere got from the EU is paid for by British Taxpaye, we put in more than we get out.
On its own, Wales receives more from the EU than it gives, by around £79 per person. A report by the Welsh Governance Office found last May.
I think Scotland would be foolish to leave, but they do have the right for another referendum as that is the mandate they voted for.
They do have the potential to make a lot of money from offshore energy. But as pointed out above, the price of oil has dropped drastically recently. I think Gordon Browns proposal of a third vote, for change rather than just "Yes" or "No" is a good idea.
Didn't know Wales contributed money to EU on its own thought UK gvmnt did it? As previously been mentioned our contribution to EU is greater than what we get back because we pay for failed economies and EU mandarins! At end of day Scotland is not self sufficient financially to be independent if vote leave UK that means no Money from Westminster, won't be in EU possibly for years if at all! Then what do SNP do? Think someone should ask el presidentè sturgeon what will they do then?
Scotland would be worse off than greece straight away ,ffs Britain had to bail ireland out a few tears back Scotland's economy is a lot worse than irelands
Scotland would be like Greece without the sunshine....folk that.
Let's get this straight sturgeon wants referendum because scots voted remain in EU and UK voted out? Only problem with her point is that they don't have an automatic right to join EU in fact one member wasn't keen on them joining at all! She is misleading the people into believing if vote yes they will be in EU when in fact they won't be and may never be! and will have to join que along with turkey ect
Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:40 pm
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Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:58 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Once Scotland goes into EU garaunteed the strings attached to joining will be long and tight around their necks ! They will have them by the short and curlies ? just hope the sturgeon is grateful to EU for letting them Dictate their every day life!
Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:21 pm
Sneggyblubird wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Once Scotland goes into EU garaunteed the strings attached to joining will be long and tight around their necks ! They will have them by the short and curlies ? just hope the sturgeon is grateful to EU for letting them Dictate their every day life!
What,like they do to us at the moment?
Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:49 pm
Sneggyblubird wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Once Scotland goes into EU garaunteed the strings attached to joining will be long and tight around their necks ! They will have them by the short and curlies ? just hope the sturgeon is grateful to EU for letting them Dictate their every day life!
What,like they do to us at the moment?
Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:44 pm
Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:23 pm
Owain wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote::lol:
I really can't stand the woman.
She's a foo-foo, going to put Scotland back to the dark ages,independence ar any cost. SNP will ruin Scotland, as they dont have an economic plan
Well luckily the Scottish people get to vote and decide.
You could say the same for the Brexit vote; there is no plan nor any real idea of what a deal could look like.