Labour Party

I firmly believe we are now watching the disintegration of the Labour Party, only diehard supporters think the party has any chance of winning the next election or the next one after that,as a Conservative I should be rubbing my hands in glee,but I'm also a Democrats and any Government whatever the colour needs a strong opposition otherwise our country would be a one party dictatorship which no sensible person wants,for the record I use to support the Labour Party when I was a young man but then I grew up ..........to sum up, Labour must come back to the centre and realise the British people will never vote into power a extreme left wing party

In our unwritten constitution Executives and ruling governments are supposed to be challenged by a credible and proactive opposition, this has not been the case since the election of the unelectable Ed Milliband as Labour Party Leader. Corbin merely compounds this assertion tenfold.I too believe the Labour Party is on the brink of a catastrophe and inevitable split. This will ensure we have a one party domination of politics in England with the SNP ruling Scotland a the usual Labour led mish mash of feeble coalitions in Wales. Northern Ireland is pretty much an ungovernable mix of primitive tribalism and petty minded people stuck in a time warp. London is in effect a City State similar to the Florentine or Venetian models of the early modern age, the regions are an irrelevance to the Westminster elites and financial houses therein. Quite frankly the Labour Party is also an irrelevance, the white working class has long since given up on the empty promises of the Labour Party hence Brexit. Maybe we will see an alliance similar to the SDP in 1983 combining those centrist right Labour MP's , The Liberals and whoever else wants to join the merry band.The UK died years ago so will the Labour Party bye bye Jerers !!!

Labour has become a metropolitan elite party, governed by the chattering classes, who are light years apart from what was the traditional manual working, Labour voter. They care more about transgender toilets than jobs for disenfranchised communities. May comes across as an old fashioned One Nation Conservative, in the Disraeli mold, time will tell if this is in fact the case or merely more spin and empty platitudes.

Corbyn may well be unable to lead Labour to a General Election victory, but so were Kinnock, Brown, and Milliband. I'm a Harold Wilson man, myself.

I firmly believe we are now watching the disintegration of the Labour Party, only diehard supporters think the party has any chance of winning the next election or the next one after that,as a Conservative I should be rubbing my hands in glee,but I'm also a Democrats and any Government whatever the colour needs a strong opposition otherwise our country would be a one party dictatorship which no sensible person wants,for the record I use to support the Labour Party when I was a young man but then I grew up ..........to sum up, Labour must come back to the centre and realise the British people will never vote into power a extreme left wing party

Define extreme left wing

I firmly believe we are now watching the disintegration of the Labour Party, only diehard supporters think the party has any chance of winning the next election or the next one after that,as a Conservative I should be rubbing my hands in glee,but I'm also a Democrats and any Government whatever the colour needs a strong opposition otherwise our country would be a one party dictatorship which no sensible person wants,for the record I use to support the Labour Party when I was a young man but then I grew up ..........to sum up, Labour must come back to the centre and realise the British people will never vote into power a extreme left wing party

Define extreme left wing

Antifa, UAF, IMG which spawned Corbyn, Abbot and that Scouse prick who name I've forgotten.

I'm a member of the Labour Party and have been for years.

I voted for Andy Burnham in the 2015 leadership election and, although I still think Burnham would have been a better choice, I supported Jeremy Corbyn.

But that's becoming harder to do these days. Anyone with half a brain cell will know that Corbyn will never win a general election.

The sad fact is that the last Labour leader to win a general election was a Tory.

I firmly believe we are now watching the disintegration of the Labour Party, only diehard supporters think the party has any chance of winning the next election or the next one after that,as a Conservative I should be rubbing my hands in glee,but I'm also a Democrats and any Government whatever the colour needs a strong opposition otherwise our country would be a one party dictatorship which no sensible person wants,for the record I use to support the Labour Party when I was a young man but then I grew up ..........to sum up, Labour must come back to the centre and realise the British people will never vote into power a extreme left wing party

Define extreme left wing

Antifa, UAF, IMG which spawned Corbyn, Abbot and that Scouse prick who name I've forgotten.

Sorry mate, I was thinking more along the lines of policies, i.e. I would be interested in knowing the views of toryboy regarding what are the extreme left wing policies of the Labour Party?

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I firmly believe we are now watching the disintegration of the Labour Party, only diehard supporters think the party has any chance of winning the next election or the next one after that,as a Conservative I should be rubbing my hands in glee,but I'm also a Democrats and any Government whatever the colour needs a strong opposition otherwise our country would be a one party dictatorship which no sensible person wants,for the record I use to support the Labour Party when I was a young man but then I grew up ..........to sum up, Labour must come back to the centre and realise the British people will never vote into power a extreme left wing party

Define extreme left wing

Antifa, UAF, IMG which spawned Corbyn, Abbot and that Scouse prick who name I've forgotten.

Sorry mate, I was thinking more along the lines of policies, i.e. I would be interested in knowing the views of toryboy regarding what are the extreme left wing policies of the Labour Party?

Unilateral nuclear disarmament, bloated inefficient Public Sector, support for terrorism and grants for fookwittery.

I firmly believe we are now watching the disintegration of the Labour Party, only diehard supporters think the party has any chance of winning the next election or the next one after that,as a Conservative I should be rubbing my hands in glee,but I'm also a Democrats and any Government whatever the colour needs a strong opposition otherwise our country would be a one party dictatorship which no sensible person wants,for the record I use to support the Labour Party when I was a young man but then I grew up ..........to sum up, Labour must come back to the centre and realise the British people will never vote into power a extreme left wing party

Define extreme left wing

Antifa, UAF, IMG which spawned Corbyn, Abbot and that Scouse prick who name I've forgotten.

Sorry mate, I was thinking more along the lines of policies, i.e. I would be interested in knowing the views of toryboy regarding what are the extreme left wing policies of the Labour Party?

Unilateral nuclear disarmament, bloated inefficient Public Sector, support for terrorism and grants for fookwittery.

How many of those are in their actual manifesto?

I firmly believe we are now watching the disintegration of the Labour Party, only diehard supporters think the party has any chance of winning the next election or the next one after that,as a Conservative I should be rubbing my hands in glee,but I'm also a Democrats and any Government whatever the colour needs a strong opposition otherwise our country would be a one party dictatorship which no sensible person wants,for the record I use to support the Labour Party when I was a young man but then I grew up ..........to sum up, Labour must come back to the centre and realise the British people will never vote into power a extreme left wing party

Define extreme left wing

Antifa, UAF, IMG which spawned Corbyn, Abbot and that Scouse prick who name I've forgotten.

Sorry mate, I was thinking more along the lines of policies, i.e. I would be interested in knowing the views of toryboy regarding what are the extreme left wing policies of the Labour Party?

Unilateral nuclear disarmament, bloated inefficient Public Sector, support for terrorism and grants for fookwittery.

How many of those are in their actual manifesto?

the far left and far rights position is gauged by where the centre is.
and the centre has continually moved left since ww2

I firmly believe we are now watching the disintegration of the Labour Party, only diehard supporters think the party has any chance of winning the next election or the next one after that,as a Conservative I should be rubbing my hands in glee,but I'm also a Democrats and any Government whatever the colour needs a strong opposition otherwise our country would be a one party dictatorship which no sensible person wants,for the record I use to support the Labour Party when I was a young man but then I grew up ..........to sum up, Labour must come back to the centre and realise the British people will never vote into power a extreme left wing party

Define extreme left wing

Antifa, UAF, IMG which spawned Corbyn, Abbot and that Scouse prick who name I've forgotten.

Sorry mate, I was thinking more along the lines of policies, i.e. I would be interested in knowing the views of toryboy regarding what are the extreme left wing policies of the Labour Party?

Unilateral nuclear disarmament, bloated inefficient Public Sector, support for terrorism and grants for fookwittery.

How many of those are in their actual manifesto?

the far left and far rights position is gauged by where the centre is.
and the centre has continually moved left since ww2

Even if what you say is correct it doesn't answer my actual question. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this i.e. what current Labour Party manifesto policies are extreme left? People throw these terms around and they mean different things to different people, I'm just interested to know what are the extreme left policies of the Labour Party at the moment.

Labour doesn't know what it stands for anymore.

The most active is the left,still soaked in socialism, a system that has shown it works in a closed society but since the floodgates of cheaper travel and globalisation opened its society is fading fast. Scandinavia was the role model, but France also props up that system. The UK population hasn't really ever bought into this model. It still represents the working man, but has many many more add ons that are unpalatable by a lot of the working class, anti nuclear, pro immigration, anti american and an obsession over the middle east especially Palestine.

The other faction are the middle class chattering class new labour types, or Tory lite. Extremely pro business over the worker, pro globalisation, pro EU, pro immigration, Londoncentric, extremely image conscious proven liars. These are embarrassed by the working class voters who vote for them, but must pretend to support them every four or five years when they have to leave London and meet them.

Both wings have a spending issue with the public as even when the country was doing great they over spent and our grandchildren have to pay for their mistakes.

Me, I am an old trade unionist, who has seen the party lurch to and fro so much i lost faith a long time ago. The red unions or the late 70's & 80's lost the populations support and allowed Thatcher to change our society forever.We lost the battle then.

Labour need to split and reemerge as the party of working class values and that's its. The Economy,Healthcare, Education and Defence is all the general population care about. Work out how to crack that and they'd be in power for a millennia.

I vote for Burham five years ago, i thought the working class boy done well was the answer to the middle class shallowness of new labour.

I voted tory for the first time in my life last year (pointless i somehow live in Pontypridds constituency), but labour needs to die to allow another to take its place.

I always look at things through a child protection lens when it comes to politics because that is my area of expertise.

I am what many people call a traditional lefty but the Labour party over the last 20 years are a joke and a disgrace. The Labour party has imploded and what happened in Rotherham is unforgivable and the Labour authorities were at the heart of the deepest darkest form of corruption and sickness. (Wez, I don't agree with you politically but I do agree with your comments about what happened in Rotherham).

However, the Tories are however systematically stripping money out of child protection and child welfare and squeezing local authorities in these areas so much that children are at more risk of being exploited, abused and vulnerable.

UKIP had and has no credible child welfare or child protection strategy or policy.

The Lib Dems party seem to have the strongest strategy but of course they are in bad shape too.

All political parties neglect the investment we need in children's services to protect children and make them less vulnerable.

I always look at things through a child protection lens when it comes to politics because that is my area of expertise.

I am what many people call a traditional lefty but the Labour party over the last 20 years are a joke and a disgrace. The Labour party has imploded and what happened in Rotherham is unforgivable and the Labour authorities were at the heart of the deepest darkest form of corruption and sickness. (Wez, I don't agree with you politically but I do agree with your comments about what happened in Rotherham).

However, the Tories are however systematically stripping money out of child protection and child welfare and squeezing local authorities in these areas so much that children are at more risk of being exploited, abused and vulnerable.

UKIP had and has no credible child welfare or child protection strategy or policy.

The Lib Dems party seem to have the strongest strategy but of course they are in bad shape too.

All political parties neglect the investment we need in children's services to protect children and make them less vulnerable.

Not at all my area of expertise and i have no experience of the issues at first hand even though i grew up in a single parent council house in Llanedeyrn in the early 80's.

But, it was the events of the death of baby P and the aftermath that made me rethink some of my political beliefs. The hounding of Sharon Shoesmith, the extremely overpaid head of Harringey social services made me wonder why were the media we so angry at her, however well funded and meaningful, deranged nasty people will always find a way to do deranged nasty things. It was the breaking of the covenant that i give you over 50% (to the government) of my salary to stop nasty deranged things happening, that shook the system.

Will it stop if i give you 60% of my salary ? what about 70%

Again this happened in a labour controlled council with labour local MP's.

I used to have a friend who was studying at uni to be a social worker and a more middle class girl you couldn't find, are these best suited to the rigors of their job.

As you get older you do turn more right leaning. But, i was showing my kids where i used to live and it dawned on me that the young kid who lives in that house in coed-y-gores, going to the same school i attended had less chance to break free than i did 35 years ago !!!! The chances of social mobility have disappeared, and this happened on labours watch, which is a disgrace.
New labour made it a middle class closed shop, tuition fees, internships are great if your parents can afford it.

Piss poor paying jobs on zero hour contracts, lowering the hourly pay of non skilled and skilled manual work by flooding the market with cheap Eastern European labour.

Labour ghettoised the poor and vulnerable then claimed to be the only answer. The answer was giving everybody the help in hand they needed to be self sufficient and good citizens, and then really helping the sick and vulnerable.

Fcuk, i have just realised i have turned into a one nation tory........and thats Blairs fault

I always look at things through a child protection lens when it comes to politics because that is my area of expertise.

I am what many people call a traditional lefty but the Labour party over the last 20 years are a joke and a disgrace. The Labour party has imploded and what happened in Rotherham is unforgivable and the Labour authorities were at the heart of the deepest darkest form of corruption and sickness. (Wez, I don't agree with you politically but I do agree with your comments about what happened in Rotherham).

However, the Tories are however systematically stripping money out of child protection and child welfare and squeezing local authorities in these areas so much that children are at more risk of being exploited, abused and vulnerable.

UKIP had and has no credible child welfare or child protection strategy or policy.

The Lib Dems party seem to have the strongest strategy but of course they are in bad shape too.

All political parties neglect the investment we need in children's services to protect children and make them less vulnerable.

Not at all my area of expertise and i have no experience of the issues at first hand even though i grew up in a single parent council house in Llanedeyrn in the early 80's.

But, it was the events of the death of baby P and the aftermath that made me rethink some of my political beliefs. The hounding of Sharon Shoesmith, the extremely overpaid head of Harringey social services made me wonder why were the media we so angry at her, however well funded and meaningful, deranged nasty people will always find a way to do deranged nasty things. It was the breaking of the covenant that i give you over 50% (to the government) of my salary to stop nasty deranged things happening, that shook the system.

Will it stop if i give you 60% of my salary ? what about 70%

Again this happened in a labour controlled council with labour local MP's.

I used to have a friend who was studying at uni to be a social worker and a more middle class girl you couldn't find, are these best suited to the rigors of their job.

As you get older you do turn more right leaning. But, i was showing my kids where i used to live and it dawned on me that the young kid who lives in that house in coed-y-gores, going to the same school i attended had less chance to break free than i did 35 years ago !!!! The chances of social mobility have disappeared, and this happened on labours watch, which is a disgrace.
New labour made it a middle class closed shop, tuition fees, internships are great if your parents can afford it.

Piss poor paying jobs on zero hour contracts, lowering the hourly pay of non skilled and skilled manual work by flooding the market with cheap Eastern European labour.

Labour ghettoised the poor and vulnerable then claimed to be the only answer. The answer was giving everybody the help in hand they needed to be self sufficient and good citizens, and then really helping the sick and vulnerable.

Fcuk, i have just realised i have turned into a one nation tory........and thats Blairs fault

Good (but sad) post.

There are some left learning councils that do a tremendous job on child welfare and child protection. Lib Dems always used to be traditionally hot on this and Paddy Ashdown seen it as non-negotiable. May has also been quite active in promoting the end of child exploitation.

I don't see myself getting more right leaning as I get older, maybe more left, but I do not equate, as some people do, as 'left' being soft on crime or child abusers etc... Tory run councils have also hidden abuse and neglect of children.

Just because I am left does not mean I am somehow less tough on perpetrators of crimes against children. I have been involved in many cases of this kind of stuff and know many people in the UK working on very serious cases and investigations. It seems to be the Tories who suppress and restrict their work. Similarly Labour have also been appalling in addressing issues.

I always look at things through a child protection lens when it comes to politics because that is my area of expertise.

I am what many people call a traditional lefty but the Labour party over the last 20 years are a joke and a disgrace. The Labour party has imploded and what happened in Rotherham is unforgivable and the Labour authorities were at the heart of the deepest darkest form of corruption and sickness. (Wez, I don't agree with you politically but I do agree with your comments about what happened in Rotherham).

However, the Tories are however systematically stripping money out of child protection and child welfare and squeezing local authorities in these areas so much that children are at more risk of being exploited, abused and vulnerable.

UKIP had and has no credible child welfare or child protection strategy or policy.

The Lib Dems party seem to have the strongest strategy but of course they are in bad shape too.

All political parties neglect the investment we need in children's services to protect children and make them less vulnerable.

Not at all my area of expertise and i have no experience of the issues at first hand even though i grew up in a single parent council house in Llanedeyrn in the early 80's.

But, it was the events of the death of baby P and the aftermath that made me rethink some of my political beliefs. The hounding of Sharon Shoesmith, the extremely overpaid head of Harringey social services made me wonder why were the media we so angry at her, however well funded and meaningful, deranged nasty people will always find a way to do deranged nasty things. It was the breaking of the covenant that i give you over 50% (to the government) of my salary to stop nasty deranged things happening, that shook the system.

Will it stop if i give you 60% of my salary ? what about 70%

Again this happened in a labour controlled council with labour local MP's.

I used to have a friend who was studying at uni to be a social worker and a more middle class girl you couldn't find, are these best suited to the rigors of their job.

As you get older you do turn more right leaning. But, i was showing my kids where i used to live and it dawned on me that the young kid who lives in that house in coed-y-gores, going to the same school i attended had less chance to break free than i did 35 years ago !!!! The chances of social mobility have disappeared, and this happened on labours watch, which is a disgrace.
New labour made it a middle class closed shop, tuition fees, internships are great if your parents can afford it.

Piss poor paying jobs on zero hour contracts, lowering the hourly pay of non skilled and skilled manual work by flooding the market with cheap Eastern European labour.

Labour ghettoised the poor and vulnerable then claimed to be the only answer. The answer was giving everybody the help in hand they needed to be self sufficient and good citizens, and then really helping the sick and vulnerable.

Fcuk, i have just realised i have turned into a one nation tory........and thats Blairs fault

I wouldn't disagree that Labour have a lot to answer for but I would point out that they were last in Government SEVEN years ago. Since then the Tories (and a less extent the LibDems) are to blame for not reversing the above problems but accelerating them.

I always look at things through a child protection lens when it comes to politics because that is my area of expertise.

I am what many people call a traditional lefty but the Labour party over the last 20 years are a joke and a disgrace. The Labour party has imploded and what happened in Rotherham is unforgivable and the Labour authorities were at the heart of the deepest darkest form of corruption and sickness. (Wez, I don't agree with you politically but I do agree with your comments about what happened in Rotherham).

However, the Tories are however systematically stripping money out of child protection and child welfare and squeezing local authorities in these areas so much that children are at more risk of being exploited, abused and vulnerable.

UKIP had and has no credible child welfare or child protection strategy or policy.

The Lib Dems party seem to have the strongest strategy but of course they are in bad shape too.

All political parties neglect the investment we need in children's services to protect children and make them less vulnerable.

Unfortunately I have spent the vast majority of my adult life under Conservative Government's and they have always been the same, cut, cut, cut.

They hate public services as they would love to privatise all of them including child protection so some scumbag somewhere could make money out of the suffering of children.

I hate them with a passion.

I'm a member of the Labour Party and have been for years.

I voted for Andy Burnham in the 2015 leadership election and, although I still think Burnham would have been a better choice, I supported Jeremy Corbyn.

But that's becoming harder to do these days. Anyone with half a brain cell will know that Corbyn will never win a general election.

The sad fact is that the last Labour leader to win a general election was a Tory.

I'm also a member and it really upsets me to see how 'our' party is falling apart before my very eyes. Corbyn is an absolute idiot and unless he gets the biggest slice of political luck ever he has absolutely no chance of winning in 2020. It reminds me so much of the early 1980's and Michael Foot.

I voted for Yvette Cooper (she used to hammer May when she was shadow Home Secretary) but I would have been happy with Burnham, but when Corbyn stand's down McDonald will probably take over and that would put paid to 2025. If I live to see another Labour Government I will probably be well into my Seventies and by then I couldn't give a dam.

I always look at things through a child protection lens when it comes to politics because that is my area of expertise.

I am what many people call a traditional lefty but the Labour party over the last 20 years are a joke and a disgrace. The Labour party has imploded and what happened in Rotherham is unforgivable and the Labour authorities were at the heart of the deepest darkest form of corruption and sickness. (Wez, I don't agree with you politically but I do agree with your comments about what happened in Rotherham).

However, the Tories are however systematically stripping money out of child protection and child welfare and squeezing local authorities in these areas so much that children are at more risk of being exploited, abused and vulnerable.

UKIP had and has no credible child welfare or child protection strategy or policy.

The Lib Dems party seem to have the strongest strategy but of course they are in bad shape too.

All political parties neglect the investment we need in children's services to protect children and make them less vulnerable.

Unfortunately I have spent the vast majority of my adult life under Conservative Government's and they have always been the same, cut, cut, cut.

They hate public services as they would love to privatise all of them including child protection so some scumbag somewhere could make money out of the suffering of children.

I hate them with a passion.

Labour bloat the public sector, we had more bean counters in the NHS than nurses under Labour. How's child protection doing under the public sector. I won't name the numerous scandals I'm sure your aware of them.