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Ok own up who leaked the longest suicide note in political history

Ok own up who leaked the longest suicide note in political history

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cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

More than well said!

Ok own up who leaked the longest suicide note in political history

Well Comrade if you dodge the Siberian salt mines you'll be the first up against the wall and shot

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

Loads of brainwashed sheep

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

Loads of brainwashed sheep

Not brainwashed just know what id rather a party that looks after the working class (cos thats where i fit in) not sure about you but i cant afford to pay for my own health care all the time and i also dont really fancy fox hunting,pompous bastards is what the tories are

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

Loads of brainwashed sheep

Not brainwashed just know what id rather a party that looks after the working class (cos thats where i fit in) not sure about you but i cant afford to pay for my own health care all the time and i also dont really fancy fox hunting,pompous bastards is what the tories are

So how does this selling the NHS work ?

It's a free health care service, so how exactly do you know that going to Hospital 'A' and being treated by Dr Z will be better than going to Hospital 'B' and treated by Dr X?

Has anyone sugested you have to pay for it; or is this a poor attempt to pole vault yourself into the next labour leadership contest as being slightly less 'off it' than those leading it now?

As for CND? Never mind 20 million people getting nuked; lets save 3 foxes! Wow!

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

Loads of brainwashed sheep

Not brainwashed just know what id rather a party that looks after the working class (cos thats where i fit in) not sure about you but i cant afford to pay for my own health care all the time and i also dont really fancy fox hunting,pompous bastards is what the tories are

You take your holidays in North Korea by any chance? the trouble with wanting Socialism or Communism in Britain is that the majority of the British people do not and will never vote for an extreme left wing government

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

Loads of brainwashed sheep

Not brainwashed just know what id rather a party that looks after the working class (cos thats where i fit in) not sure about you but i cant afford to pay for my own health care all the time and i also dont really fancy fox hunting,pompous bastards is what the tories are

So how does this selling the NHS work ?

It's a free health care service, so how exactly do you know that going to Hospital 'A' and being treated by Dr Z will be better than going to Hospital 'B' and treated by Dr X?

Has anyone sugested you have to pay for it; or is this a poor attempt to pole vault yourself into the next labour leadership contest as being slightly less 'off it' than those leading it now?

As for CND? Never mind 20 million people getting nuked; lets save 3 foxes! Wow!

They privatise it, so you have to pay for it. As in, it isn't free. It isn't difficult to comprehend. This is what the Tories are doing because they are underfunding the NHS so they can bring it to breaking point, to argue it needs privatisation.

Also, if we have to use Trident, we're all nuked. I'm not against it; but if we have to use it, it isn't going to end well.

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

It's Cardiff, what did you expect?

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

Loads of brainwashed sheep

Not brainwashed just know what id rather a party that looks after the working class (cos thats where i fit in) not sure about you but i cant afford to pay for my own health care all the time and i also dont really fancy fox hunting,pompous bastards is what the tories are

So how does this selling the NHS work ?

It's a free health care service, so how exactly do you know that going to Hospital 'A' and being treated by Dr Z will be better than going to Hospital 'B' and treated by Dr X?

Has anyone sugested you have to pay for it; or is this a poor attempt to pole vault yourself into the next labour leadership contest as being slightly less 'off it' than those leading it now?

As for CND? Never mind 20 million people getting nuked; lets save 3 foxes! Wow!

They privatise it, so you have to pay for it. As in, it isn't free. It isn't difficult to comprehend. This is what the Tories are doing because they are underfunding the NHS so they can bring it to breaking point, to argue it needs privatisation.

Also, if we have to use Trident, we're all nuked. I'm not against it but if we have to use it, it isn't going to end well.

Ive been hearing for the last 30 years that torys will privatise the nhs only to have labour doing it through pfi ,im just wondering why did labour do it also why in wales have labour still giving our private company contracts??

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

Exactly labour supporters are deluding themselves and also turning a blind eye to lack of defence plan also a lack of abiltity to stand up to the eu

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

Loads of brainwashed sheep

Not brainwashed just know what id rather a party that looks after the working class (cos thats where i fit in) not sure about you but i cant afford to pay for my own health care all the time and i also dont really fancy fox hunting,pompous bastards is what the tories are

If you don't pay for your healthcare, who does?

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

Loads of brainwashed sheep

Not brainwashed just know what id rather a party that looks after the working class (cos thats where i fit in) not sure about you but i cant afford to pay for my own health care all the time and i also dont really fancy fox hunting,pompous bastards is what the tories are

So how does this selling the NHS work ?

It's a free health care service, so how exactly do you know that going to Hospital 'A' and being treated by Dr Z will be better than going to Hospital 'B' and treated by Dr X?

Has anyone sugested you have to pay for it; or is this a poor attempt to pole vault yourself into the next labour leadership contest as being slightly less 'off it' than those leading it now?

As for CND? Never mind 20 million people getting nuked; lets save 3 foxes! Wow!

They privatise it, so you have to pay for it. As in, it isn't free. It isn't difficult to comprehend. This is what the Tories are doing because they are underfunding the NHS so they can bring it to breaking point, to argue it needs privatisation.

Also, if we have to use Trident, we're all nuked. I'm not against it but if we have to use it, it isn't going to end well.

I would like to know how this free NHS works. Do doctors, nurses etc., not get paid, or are they being paid out of our MP's own pockets. Can't be money belonging to the government, they don't have any of their own. The only people getting a free health service are those arriving into the country who have paid zero into it, or possible someone who has never been employed. The NHS costs a fortune to run, where do you think all that money comes from?

Totally un electable in 2017.
May have had some scope in the sixties or early seventies.
Michael foot all over again.

Last edited by fred keenor on Thu May 11, 2017 5:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The fact that the "Draft" manifesto has been leaked the day before it was due to be approved only shows the extent of the civil war which is currently taking place in the Labour Party. It's this background of infighting which, in my opinion, makes it impossible for the Labour Party to convince the UK electorate that it is fit to govern this country. That's without having to battle against the "Corbyn" factor which is a massive negative.

To include any reference to public ownership, even in a draft, is not just absolute madness but also completely against the Labour Party Constitution. Public Ownership was once a core value of the Labour Party, it was described as common ownership but it meant nationalised industries, but brother Blair got rid of this reference back in 1995. In my opinion Blair understood back in the 1990's that if Labour were ever to regain power it had to modernise and with little appetite for state ownership of anything other than the NHS any reference to public ownership had to go.

Including this reference to public ownership just delivers the Labour Party to the OTT ridicule of the Tory press and highlights why he is absolutely not going to win this election.

I am no Tory and it saddens me that we are about to get a Conservative PM, with a massive majority, who will fail of properly support and fund the NHS, Education, Transport, Housing or pretty much any area of public spending. But given the choice of TM or JC even I can see that this election is a walkover.

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

The problem is all of this costs money- a lot of it and the simplistic 'tax the rich for it' just doesn't work. It's bollox. In 2 ways, it creates a disincentive for risk takers and ambition but you will also find the higher the tax rate the more people will find ways to dodge it.
And don't try telling me they will close the loopholes as the people making the loopholes are a hell of a lot better at it than those closing them.

Corbyn's list is misleading dreams as it's not doable.
In an aging country where fewer people have to carry more and more then long term we are all going to struggle to retain our standard of living, which has been boosted by years of borrowing and consuming goods made by people in other parts of the world working all hours for next to no income. That's finishing- and the borrowing will need to be paid back.

It's the truth, but none of the politians are clever enough or honest enough to admit it.

By the way I'm not a fan of any of the parties and have voted for all 3 major ones in my life so have no axe to grind.

May seems to have nothing to offer except a ropey catchphrase.
I'm interested in whether we'll actually see any new policies from her.

The fact that the "Draft" manifesto has been leaked the day before it was due to be approved only shows the extent of the civil war which is currently taking place in the Labour Party. It's this background of infighting which, in my opinion, makes it impossible for the Labour Party to convince the UK electorate that it is fit to govern this country. That's without having to battle against the "Corbyn" factor which is a massive negative.

To include any reference to public ownership, even in a draft, is not just absolute madness but also completely against the Labour Party Constitution. Public Ownership was once a core value of the Labour Party, it was described as common ownership but it meant nationalised industries, but brother Blair got rid of this reference back in 1995. In my opinion Blair understood back in the 1990's that if Labour were ever to regain power it had to modernise and with little appetite for state ownership of anything other than the NHS any reference to public ownership had to go.

Including this reference to public ownership just delivers the Labour Party to the OTT ridicule of the Tory press and highlights why he is absolutely not going to win this election.

I am no Tory and it saddens me that we are about to get a Conservative PM, with a massive majority, who will fail of properly support and fund the NHS, Education, Transport, Housing or pretty much any area of public spending. But given the choice of TM or JC even I can see that this election is a walkover.

It will be a different Labour manifesto in Wales to the one leaked yesterday. The Welsh Labour are distancing themselves from Corbyn's manifesto, and we will have to wait to see the one that comes out of Cardiff Bay. I still see that most of things that are being constantly moaned about on this forum are those which have been devolved and have been under the control of Labour for the last 20 years. I assume Labour will remain the governing party of Wales, and we will continue complaining about the same things for the next 20 years.

I am glad to see the manifesto, it's a little more left than a social democrat, but clearly parks its bus in that space.

Labour will get decimated in the election, but needs to shrink to its core, split and kick out the progressives who have hijacked the party since Tony Blair.

With the choice of true socialism or neoliberal progressives i'd pick socialism, although as i have become older i have drifted from the trade union left to a one nation Tory. I distrust "new labour" types with a passion. The unions fund the party, so kick out the blairites

Some of what Labour released today appeals, but why should i subsidise super rich London commuters, or mess with a mail service that needs to compete on the world market but specialises in that all important final mile.

When labour came into power we had 57 million people living in this island, now we have 64 million. 7 million in 20 years is a massive increase,to not talk about immigration is cowardly and a huge vote loser.

The country needs a grown up conversation about the NHS, but it can't happen in an election cycle.

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.shaft the poor

I'll give you £50 if you can show me where in the Tory manifesto they say they'll sell the NHS or even a direct quote from anyone on the cabinet.

I am glad to see the manifesto, it's a little more left than a social democrat, but clearly parks its bus in that space.

Labour will get decimated in the election, but needs to shrink to its core, split and kick out the progressives who have hijacked the party since Tony Blair.

With the choice of true socialism or neoliberal progressives i'd pick socialism, although as i have become older i have drifted from the trade union left to a one nation Tory. I distrust "new labour" types with a passion. The unions fund the party, so kick out the blairites

Some of what Labour released today appeals, but why should i subsidise super rich London commuters, or mess with a mail service that needs to compete on the world market but specialises in that all important final mile.

When labour came into power we had 57 million people living in this island, now we have 64 million. 7 million in 20 years is a massive increase,to not talk about immigration is cowardly and a huge vote loser.

The country needs a grown up conversation about the NHS, but it can't happen in an election cycle.

Good post 7 million is massive

I'd like to know how so many of us have been brainwashed into thinking we get free NHS treatment. We don't physically go out and hand cash over to our dustbinmen each week, but we still know we are paying a fortune for this sort of service. Just because we do not hand cash over to a doctor or nurse does'nt mean we are not forking out a lot of money for our healthcare.

I'd like to know how so many of us have been brainwashed into thinking we get free NHS treatment. We don't physically go out and hand cash over to our dustbinmen each week, but we still know we are paying a fortune for this sort of service. Just because we do not hand cash over to a doctor or nurse does'nt mean we are not forking out a lot of money for our healthcare.

The average tax payer is forking out around £6k a year for the NHS.