Labour Manifesto

I'd like to know how so many of us have been brainwashed into thinking we get free NHS treatment. We don't physically go out and hand cash over to our dustbinmen each week, but we still know we are paying a fortune for this sort of service. Just because we do not hand cash over to a doctor or nurse does'nt mean we are not forking out a lot of money for our healthcare.

The average tax payer is forking out around £6k a year for the NHS.

Did'nt know the figure but knew it was costing us a lot. Maybe free to people who have never paid in to the system, but for those who work and pay their taxes and nat ins contributions, it is not cheap. Probably already paid enough to have a shed load of hip replacements, but if I ever need one they will do their best to leave it long enough to ensure that it is only the one I need doing.

a leaked report, left on the sun newspapers desk

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

Loads of brainwashed sheep

The brainwashed sheep tend to vote Tory after reading all the bullshit printed in the Sun and Daily Mail....and falling for it!! People who live in poverty voting for the very people who created it......you couldn't make it up! If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

Loads of brainwashed sheep

The brainwashed sheep tend to vote Tory after reading all the bullshit printed in the Sun and Daily Mail....and falling for it!! People who live in poverty voting for the very people who created it......you couldn't make it up! If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.

Your speaking tosh

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm

Thinking the same thing. Poverty does exist and has existed in Wales for many decades. Who has been the ruling party in Wales for the last 20 years?

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm

Thinking the same thing. Poverty does exist and has existed in Wales for many decades. Who has been the ruling party in Wales for the last 20 years?

The normal labour lefty voter turns
a blind eye to that coz its always those damm torries fault

Always voted labour but not any more. Local elections i didnt bother but the Conservatives in this election.
In all honesty I've got a good job with plenty of work, my wife the same, kids doing well both academically and sport.
I've got money left each month and I can afford to go on holiday, when ever we've had to use the NHS no problem at all. When ever I use public transport eg trains no problem except rush hour but that's the same the world over.

I just can't stand corbyn, i don't Think they can do what they promise in manifesto. Especially when you think what Blair did in the middle east and Libya etc.

Corbyn just No, what the hell is he on about I can't even be bothered to listen to labour anymore.

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

Inequality, Inequality,Inequality,Inequality,Inequality that's all i have heard so far. There's no such thing as equality !!!!

All are born differently in different circumstance either, bigger, faster,stronger, more beautiful, more intelligent, born to wealth or poverty. Do you reckon a person in South Sudan would swap the abject "poverty" and inequality of Townhill with their lives ?
Grafting for you and your family is unfashionable nowadays, everybody is entitled to something. Continually telling everyone that their life is so unfair because that guy over there has worked his tw*t off to buy that house or car, taken risks, sacrificed and he needs to pay more to allow you to do FA about your life is half this countries problem.

Always voted labour but not any more. Local elections i didnt bother but the Conservatives in this election.
In all honesty I've got a good job with plenty of work, my wife the same, kids doing well both academically and sport.
I've got money left each month and I can afford to go on holiday, when ever we've had to use the NHS no problem at all. When ever I use public transport eg trains no problem except rush hour but that's the same the world over.

I just can't stand corbyn, i don't Think they can do what they promise in manifesto. Especially when you think what Blair did in the middle east and Libya etc.

Corbyn just No, what the hell is he on about I can't even be bothered to listen to labour anymore.

Agree

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm

Thinking the same thing. Poverty does exist and has existed in Wales for many decades. Who has been the ruling party in Wales for the last 20 years?

Thinking the same too but anyone that reads instead of relying on the right wing press for an opinion will know that historically regardless of the MP's political affiliations sitting in Wales all Tory national governments have overseen extreme poverty in the principality.It has always been well understood that the historical abuse meted out by the Tories and the Liberals gave rise to the Labour movement in the first place. They've just got better at fooling people.The current WAG doesn't get adequate funding to alleviate poverty leaving the plight of these people to that great Tory growth industry aka food banks and other charities.

[quote="Sneggyblubird"][quote="Steve Zodiak"][quote="wez1927"][quote="moonboots"][quote="angelis1949"][quote="jon1959"]The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.[/quote]
Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist[/quote]

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality [/quote]
All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm[/quote]
Thinking the same thing. Poverty does exist and has existed in Wales for many decades. Who has been the ruling party in Wales for the last 20 years?[/quote]

Thinking the same too but anyone that reads instead of relying on the right wing press for an opinion will know that historically regardless of the MP's political affiliations sitting in Wales all Tory national governments have overseen extreme poverty in the principality.It has always been well understood that the historical abuse meted out by the Tories and the Liberals gave rise to the Labour movement in the first place. They've just got better at fooling people.The current WAG doesn't get adequate funding to alleviate poverty leaving the plight of these people to that great Tory growth industry aka food banks and other charities.[/quote]

Us in wales get more funding per head than in england so how come we are worse off then if its not labours fault whos is it ?

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm

Thinking the same thing. Poverty does exist and has existed in Wales for many decades. Who has been the ruling party in Wales for the last 20 years?

Thinking the same too but anyone that reads instead of relying on the right wing press for an opinion will know that historically regardless of the MP's political affiliations sitting in Wales all Tory national governments have overseen extreme poverty in the principality.It has always been well understood that the historical abuse meted out by the Tories and the Liberals gave rise to the Labour movement in the first place. They've just got better at fooling people.The current WAG doesn't get adequate funding to alleviate poverty leaving the plight of these people to that great Tory growth industry aka food banks and other charities.

Us in wales get more funding per head than in england so how come we are worse off then if its not labours fault whos is it ?

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm

Thinking the same thing. Poverty does exist and has existed in Wales for many decades. Who has been the ruling party in Wales for the last 20 years?

Thinking the same too but anyone that reads instead of relying on the right wing press for an opinion will know that historically regardless of the MP's political affiliations sitting in Wales all Tory national governments have overseen extreme poverty in the principality.It has always been well understood that the historical abuse meted out by the Tories and the Liberals gave rise to the Labour movement in the first place. They've just got better at fooling people.The current WAG doesn't get adequate funding to alleviate poverty leaving the plight of these people to that great Tory growth industry aka food banks and other charities.

Us in wales get more funding per head than in england so how come we are worse off then if its not labours fault whos is it ?

What kind of funding and where does it come from Wez.?Why is it Labours fault when theres been more poverty in Wales than england since the industrial revolution.And just incase it has escaped your attention most of the time in the last 200 years the Tories have been in power most of the time.

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm

Thinking the same thing. Poverty does exist and has existed in Wales for many decades. Who has been the ruling party in Wales for the last 20 years?

Thinking the same too but anyone that reads instead of relying on the right wing press for an opinion will know that historically regardless of the MP's political affiliations sitting in Wales all Tory national governments have overseen extreme poverty in the principality.It has always been well understood that the historical abuse meted out by the Tories and the Liberals gave rise to the Labour movement in the first place. They've just got better at fooling people.The current WAG doesn't get adequate funding to alleviate poverty leaving the plight of these people to that great Tory growth industry aka food banks and other charities.

Us in wales get more funding per head than in england so how come we are worse off then if its not labours fault whos is it ?

What kind of funding and where does it come from Wez.?Why is it Labours fault when theres been more poverty in Wales than england since the industrial revolution.And just incase it has escaped your attention most of the time in the last 200 years the Tories have been in power most of the time.

So Wales prosper every time Labour are in power, and poverty returns as soon as they lose power. I must have missed that bit somewhere.

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm

Thinking the same thing. Poverty does exist and has existed in Wales for many decades. Who has been the ruling party in Wales for the last 20 years?

Thinking the same too but anyone that reads instead of relying on the right wing press for an opinion will know that historically regardless of the MP's political affiliations sitting in Wales all Tory national governments have overseen extreme poverty in the principality.It has always been well understood that the historical abuse meted out by the Tories and the Liberals gave rise to the Labour movement in the first place. They've just got better at fooling people.The current WAG doesn't get adequate funding to alleviate poverty leaving the plight of these people to that great Tory growth industry aka food banks and other charities.

Us in wales get more funding per head than in england so how come we are worse off then if its not labours fault whos is it ?

What kind of funding and where does it come from Wez.?Why is it Labours fault when theres been more poverty in Wales than england since the industrial revolution.And just incase it has escaped your attention most of the time in the last 200 years the Tories have been in power most of the time.

Funding from westminster to the assembly ,labour control most of the budget so why is there poverty more in wales ? Also tbe nhs is controlled by labour why us ir in a mess and lots of private contracts given out ?

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm

Thinking the same thing. Poverty does exist and has existed in Wales for many decades. Who has been the ruling party in Wales for the last 20 years?

Thinking the same too but anyone that reads instead of relying on the right wing press for an opinion will know that historically regardless of the MP's political affiliations sitting in Wales all Tory national governments have overseen extreme poverty in the principality.It has always been well understood that the historical abuse meted out by the Tories and the Liberals gave rise to the Labour movement in the first place. They've just got better at fooling people.The current WAG doesn't get adequate funding to alleviate poverty leaving the plight of these people to that great Tory growth industry aka food banks and other charities.

Us in wales get more funding per head than in england so how come we are worse off then if its not labours fault whos is it ?

What kind of funding and where does it come from Wez.?Why is it Labours fault when theres been more poverty in Wales than england since the industrial revolution.And just incase it has escaped your attention most of the time in the last 200 years the Tories have been in power most of the time.

UnderFunding from westminster to the assembly ,labour control most of the inadequatebudget so why is there poverty more in wales ? Also tbe nhs is controlled by labour why us ir in a mess and lots of private contracts given out ?

I think you'll find its down to cronic underfunding which to be fair is across the board so I suppose the english NHS crisis is down to the WAG as well.

Not going to be a problem for much longer then. If the people believe Labour can fix everything, they will vote for them.

Not going to be a problem for much longer then. If the people believe Labour can fix everything, they will vote for them.

True Steve and there's the rub eh?

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm

Thinking the same thing. Poverty does exist and has existed in Wales for many decades. Who has been the ruling party in Wales for the last 20 years?

Thinking the same too but anyone that reads instead of relying on the right wing press for an opinion will know that historically regardless of the MP's political affiliations sitting in Wales all Tory national governments have overseen extreme poverty in the principality.It has always been well understood that the historical abuse meted out by the Tories and the Liberals gave rise to the Labour movement in the first place. They've just got better at fooling people.The current WAG doesn't get adequate funding to alleviate poverty leaving the plight of these people to that great Tory growth industry aka food banks and other charities.

The Welsh assembly had enough money to buy an airport!!!

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm

Thinking the same thing. Poverty does exist and has existed in Wales for many decades. Who has been the ruling party in Wales for the last 20 years?

Thinking the same too but anyone that reads instead of relying on the right wing press for an opinion will know that historically regardless of the MP's political affiliations sitting in Wales all Tory national governments have overseen extreme poverty in the principality.It has always been well understood that the historical abuse meted out by the Tories and the Liberals gave rise to the Labour movement in the first place. They've just got better at fooling people.The current WAG doesn't get adequate funding to alleviate poverty leaving the plight of these people to that great Tory growth industry aka food banks and other charities.

The Welsh assembly had enough money to buy an airport!!!

And to waste millions on a feasibility study on a motorcycle race track that has less chance of ever seeing a motorbike than we had of winning the Championship this season.

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

Loads of brainwashed sheep

The brainwashed sheep tend to vote Tory after reading all the bullshit printed in the Sun and Daily Mail....and falling for it!! People who live in poverty voting for the very people who created it......you couldn't make it up! If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.

Your speaking tosh

Tories always resort to name calling Just like Boris did the other day. A clown if ever there was one.

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

Loads of brainwashed sheep

The brainwashed sheep tend to vote Tory after reading all the bullshit printed in the Sun and Daily Mail....and falling for it!! People who live in poverty voting for the very people who created it......you couldn't make it up! If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.

Your speaking tosh

Tories always resort to name calling Just like Boris did the other day. A clown if ever there was one.

Im voting ukip

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm

Nice try. I said Britain is an unequal society, not Wales. Wales isn't so unequal because many of the population are living in relative poverty. And that can't be pinned on Welsh Labour because as you well know they do not control any of the financial levers that would help Wales to create its own wealth.

cant be as bad as the conservatives
1.sell the nhs
2.strong and stable government
3.kill the foxes
4.strong and stable government
5.fuk the poor

well said!

Didn't realise there were so many reds on here

Loads of brainwashed sheep

The brainwashed sheep tend to vote Tory after reading all the bullshit printed in the Sun and Daily Mail....and falling for it!! People who live in poverty voting for the very people who created it......you couldn't make it up! If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.

Your speaking tosh

Tories always resort to name calling Just like Boris did the other day. A clown if ever there was one.

Im voting ukip

Same thing

The draft manifesto isn't communist, it's mainstream social democratic - just like Jeremy Corbyn.

That doesn't stop the unscrupulous and the uneducated in the press from presenting it as a Leninist tract. The Mail went into meltdown of course. The media has translated it for the people and given it a good old spin.

In fact it is an interesting set of policy proposals - and more detailed and thought through than we normally get in manifestos.

Many (if not the majority) of the proposals look a lot like previous Labour policies in opposition that had majority public support in opinion polls. Taxing the rich, investing in the NHS, capital projects (especially housing) and nationalising transport and key utilities have been popular for years - even with UKIP voters.

It may turn out to be a suicide note - but not because of the contents of the manifesto. It will be because Corbyn hasn't convinced the wider public, Labour is fighting a civil war and Theresa May has got all her ducks lined up. No one but the most optimistic Corbynista expects anything but a big Tory win. There is very little that the Labour Party can say or write at this stage to change that.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Corbyn is a extreme left wing Socialist and his pal McDonald is a self confesed Marksist

I don't take any notice of labels like socialist or Marxist. They are just nasty sounding names used repeatedly by the press, designed to scare off potential voters. You know the ones.....the people who can't be bothered to find out about the issues for themselves. Instead they rely on the Sun or the Mail to influence their vote.

I prefer to look around me and see the poverty that not only exists but often prevails in 21st century Wales, and indeed many parts of the UK. I applaud anyone or any political party that puts forward policies that will help get rid of poverty and make Britain a more equal country. Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the civilised world. Inequality is not only bad for the poorest in our society but it isn't good for the country as a whole. "There are a number of reasons why inequality may harm a country’s economic performance. At a microeconomic level, inequality increases ill health and health spending and reduces the educational performance of the poor. These two factors lead to a reduction in the productive potential of the work force. At a macroeconomic level, inequality can be a brake on growth and can lead to instability." Taken from Dr Anne Holmes on the Parliament of Australia website.

There is plenty of other information about the negative effects of an unequal society on the Equality Trust website:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/about-inequality

All under a labour goverment in wales hmmmm

Thinking the same thing. Poverty does exist and has existed in Wales for many decades. Who has been the ruling party in Wales for the last 20 years?

Thinking the same too but anyone that reads instead of relying on the right wing press for an opinion will know that historically regardless of the MP's political affiliations sitting in Wales all Tory national governments have overseen extreme poverty in the principality.It has always been well understood that the historical abuse meted out by the Tories and the Liberals gave rise to the Labour movement in the first place. They've just got better at fooling people.The current WAG doesn't get adequate funding to alleviate poverty leaving the plight of these people to that great Tory growth industry aka food banks and other charities.

The Welsh assembly had enough money to buy an airport!!!

And is turning it into a success story, which will have a positive effect on the economy of South Wales, whereas the Welsh Tories were against bringing it into the public realm even though the previous owners were ruining it. If it was down to the Tories we'd have probably lost it.

I'd like to know how so many of us have been brainwashed into thinking we get free NHS treatment. We don't physically go out and hand cash over to our dustbinmen each week, but we still know we are paying a fortune for this sort of service. Just because we do not hand cash over to a doctor or nurse does'nt mean we are not forking out a lot of money for our healthcare.

The average tax payer is forking out around £6k a year for the NHS.

Did'nt know the figure but knew it was costing us a lot. Maybe free to people who have never paid in to the system, but for those who work and pay their taxes and nat ins contributions, it is not cheap. Probably already paid enough to have a shed load of hip replacements, but if I ever need one they will do their best to leave it long enough to ensure that it is only the one I need doing.

Free at the point of delivery!! Everyone knows that people pay for it through taxes.

I'd like to know how so many of us have been brainwashed into thinking we get free NHS treatment. We don't physically go out and hand cash over to our dustbinmen each week, but we still know we are paying a fortune for this sort of service. Just because we do not hand cash over to a doctor or nurse does'nt mean we are not forking out a lot of money for our healthcare.

The average tax payer is forking out around £6k a year for the NHS.

Did'nt know the figure but knew it was costing us a lot. Maybe free to people who have never paid in to the system, but for those who work and pay their taxes and nat ins contributions, it is not cheap. Probably already paid enough to have a shed load of hip replacements, but if I ever need one they will do their best to leave it long enough to ensure that it is only the one I need doing.

Free at the point of delivery!! Everyone knows that people pay for it through taxes.

So who cares if it's free at the point of delivery. So is my bin lorry, the parking ticket on my windscreen, the police officer who calls at my house etc. but we all know in reality we are paying a small fortune for all of this. We have this free at the point of delivery thrown at us by all parties. We are getting (eventually) treatment that we have paid a fortune for throughout our working lives. If a parking ticket is put on my car today, nobody will boast to me that it was free at the point of delivery.

I'd like to know how so many of us have been brainwashed into thinking we get free NHS treatment. We don't physically go out and hand cash over to our dustbinmen each week, but we still know we are paying a fortune for this sort of service. Just because we do not hand cash over to a doctor or nurse does'nt mean we are not forking out a lot of money for our healthcare.

The average tax payer is forking out around £6k a year for the NHS.

Missed this one.What a load of bullshit.Average be fucked.Where did you get that from?