' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

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Poll Who you voting for in the general election

Con
106
38%
Lab
117
42%
Lib
7
3%
UKIP
9
3%
Plaid
26
9%
Green
2
1%
Snp
1
0%
Bnp
0
No votes
Nat front
5
2%
Other
5
2%
 
Total votes : 278

Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:22 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
dogfound wrote:yes its often people who have invested everything they have and infact often also borrowed of relatives to launch their business. then after working their nuts off often for far less than minimum wage ,if their idea was good.AND they have plenty of luck the business begins to grow. they start to employ, and yes the employees are expected to work hard..these employees invested nothing..risked nothing..have entitlements {at least min wage..holiday pay. a max hour working week } that the person that started the business never had.
so yes tax the horrible c**t who gave a village with large unemployment who now employs maybe a couple of hundred to the hilt...and make damn sure nobody in the neighbouring village gets it in their head to copy them and become well off.
socialist = people that think the world owes them a living..and also think that the person that is actually giving them a living needs punishing..


Get things into perspective Corporation Tax would be 26% that leaves 74% of profits in the pocket of the entrepreneur. What I would like to know is why 26% is not considered a 'fair share' when Corporation Tax is higher in other EU/G7 countries?

At the end of the day 74% of profits would still give most business people a very comfortable lifestyle one 100 times better than employees on the minimum wage who have also contributed to the success of the business.

You definitely havnt ran your own business ,just like labour you cant grasb economics :lol:


Fair play Wez you have a talent for getting things wrong :D
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:27 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
dogfound wrote:yes its often people who have invested everything they have and infact often also borrowed of relatives to launch their business. then after working their nuts off often for far less than minimum wage ,if their idea was good.AND they have plenty of luck the business begins to grow. they start to employ, and yes the employees are expected to work hard..these employees invested nothing..risked nothing..have entitlements {at least min wage..holiday pay. a max hour working week } that the person that started the business never had.
so yes tax the horrible c**t who gave a village with large unemployment who now employs maybe a couple of hundred to the hilt...and make damn sure nobody in the neighbouring village gets it in their head to copy them and become well off.
socialist = people that think the world owes them a living..and also think that the person that is actually giving them a living needs punishing..


Get things into perspective Corporation Tax would be 26% that leaves 74% of profits in the pocket of the entrepreneur. What I would like to know is why 26% is not considered a 'fair share' when Corporation Tax is higher in other EU/G7 countries?

At the end of the day 74% of profits would still give most business people a very comfortable lifestyle one 100 times better than employees on the minimum wage who have also contributed to the success of the business.

Unfortunately corporation tax is just one of the tax schemes that businesses have to pay. That is a tax based on profits, they are paying other taxes and the likes of VAT, business rates etc., all have to be added to their costs. National Insurance may not have the word tax in it, but we all know that is really what it is. Tax for businesses is a complicated affair, and has been responsible for many a sole trader deciding being self employed is not always worth it.


VAT, Business rates NI etc. are part of business costs which are deducted from turnover to give your profit margin which is then subject to Corporation Tax. It is misleading to roll them all into one
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby glas » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:27 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Jock wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
dogfound wrote:yes its often people who have invested everything they have and infact often also borrowed of relatives to launch their business. then after working their nuts off often for far less than minimum wage ,if their idea was good.AND they have plenty of luck the business begins to grow. they start to employ, and yes the employees are expected to work hard..these employees invested nothing..risked nothing..have entitlements {at least min wage..holiday pay. a max hour working week } that the person that started the business never had.
so yes tax the horrible c**t who gave a village with large unemployment who now employs maybe a couple of hundred to the hilt...and make damn sure nobody in the neighbouring village gets it in their head to copy them and become well off.
socialist = people that think the world owes them a living..and also think that the person that is actually giving them a living needs punishing..


Get things into perspective Corporation Tax would be 26% that leaves 74% of profits in the pocket of the entrepreneur. What I would like to know is why 26% is not considered a 'fair share' when Corporation Tax is higher in other EU/G7 countries?

At the end of the day 74% of profits would still give most business people a very comfortable lifestyle one 100 times better than employees on the minimum wage who have also contributed to the success of the business.

Just a wild guess here but you've never ran your own business have you.


Out of luck Jock yes I have :occasion5:


The fairest way is to pay the employees on a percentage of the net profits (after tax ) of the company. Then they can say they helped build the business and share in its success. No doubt employees would have a different attitude to their work and the tax rates then.

Most companies are small and so the tax they pay is small. So why tax them out of existence? The large companies pay £millions in tax and if tax rates increase will relocate to somewhere where tax rates are lower - like Ireland. I would rather have 17% of £1 million than 26% of nothing. Then who would pay for the public services?
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:30 pm

Elwood Blues wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
dogfound wrote:yes its often people who have invested everything they have and infact often also borrowed of relatives to launch their business. then after working their nuts off often for far less than minimum wage ,if their idea was good.AND they have plenty of luck the business begins to grow. they start to employ, and yes the employees are expected to work hard..these employees invested nothing..risked nothing..have entitlements {at least min wage..holiday pay. a max hour working week } that the person that started the business never had.
so yes tax the horrible c**t who gave a village with large unemployment who now employs maybe a couple of hundred to the hilt...and make damn sure nobody in the neighbouring village gets it in their head to copy them and become well off.
socialist = people that think the world owes them a living..and also think that the person that is actually giving them a living needs punishing..


Get things into perspective Corporation Tax would be 26% that leaves 74% of profits in the pocket of the entrepreneur. What I would like to know is why 26% is not considered a 'fair share' when Corporation Tax is higher in other EU/G7 countries?

At the end of the day 74% of profits would still give most business people a very comfortable lifestyle one 100 times better than employees on the minimum wage who have also contributed to the success of the business.



Ireland's corporation tax is 12.5%!!

Could lose some companies to them.


At the moment Corporation Tax is 17% so if they were going then they would have gone by now. The UK is a great place to do business but those companies must pay their fair share.
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:32 pm

glas wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Jock wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
dogfound wrote:yes its often people who have invested everything they have and infact often also borrowed of relatives to launch their business. then after working their nuts off often for far less than minimum wage ,if their idea was good.AND they have plenty of luck the business begins to grow. they start to employ, and yes the employees are expected to work hard..these employees invested nothing..risked nothing..have entitlements {at least min wage..holiday pay. a max hour working week } that the person that started the business never had.
so yes tax the horrible c**t who gave a village with large unemployment who now employs maybe a couple of hundred to the hilt...and make damn sure nobody in the neighbouring village gets it in their head to copy them and become well off.
socialist = people that think the world owes them a living..and also think that the person that is actually giving them a living needs punishing..


Get things into perspective Corporation Tax would be 26% that leaves 74% of profits in the pocket of the entrepreneur. What I would like to know is why 26% is not considered a 'fair share' when Corporation Tax is higher in other EU/G7 countries?

At the end of the day 74% of profits would still give most business people a very comfortable lifestyle one 100 times better than employees on the minimum wage who have also contributed to the success of the business.

Just a wild guess here but you've never ran your own business have you.


Out of luck Jock yes I have :occasion5:


The fairest way is to pay the employees on a percentage of the net profits (after tax ) of the company. Then they can say they helped build the business and share in its success. No doubt employees would have a different attitude to their work and the tax rates then.

Most companies are small and so the tax they pay is small. So why tax them out of existence? The large companies pay £millions in tax and if tax rates increase will relocate to somewhere where tax rates are lower - like Ireland. I would rather have 17% of £1 million than 26% of nothing. Then who would pay for the public services?


What your suggesting is the John Lewis model. I agree there should be far more of these companies so the UK can grow firms to take on the likes of Amazon, Ebay etc.
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby rumpo kid » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:29 pm

Tony
What business did you run, and did you earn 100x your employees?

Think carefully, 100 x 25000 = 2,5million pounds.

Were you listed in the FTSE?
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