Tue May 23, 2017 2:00 am
Hotdogboy wrote:Sven wrote:Hotdogboy wrote:So Sven may I ask what you reasons for leaving the e.u were just the top 5 would do.
My were no immigration without our say so from anywhere. Freedom to trade with who we want. Freedom to make our own employment laws less protection for employees so they have to work to keep they jobs. Hard border with Ireland. To not share any intelligence with Europe. My main reasons to get out of Europe. And that's what I want anything less is not what I voted for. I want what I voted for. To many leavers don't seem to care what they get. Which says to me they didn't know what they were voting for.
Also you mentioned in you post that over half the country wanted out. This is incorrect. A massive amount of people weren't entitled to vote and some would argue like myself this vote effects them more than most current voters. Which is why I voted leave believing I was doing the best for their future.
Also over 27% of voters didn't turn out so even then half of the voters didn't vote remain. Estimates around 38% of voters actually voted leave. A much smaller number if you include the whole population. Then it looks like we won with a tiny % which to me isn't democratically correct. A few deciding for the many. But it's worked in my favour so I'm happy to run with it if I get what I actually voted for.
I believe if there was another vote the country would vote remain.
You may ask but all I will say is that whilst we may have voted the same way, our reasons are wide apart; particularly on the sharing of information, which I believe is essential
Of those who voted (surely the only ones who can be counted? ) more than half voted Brexit...FACT!
What you weren't given was a number of scenarios of 'how' we leave. You voted on a simple yes or no scenario and now the Government have the unenviable task of getting it done to the satisfaction of a public most of whom still don't understand all the politicking involved
We'd all like different things out of the situation but the cost of our 'self-determination' as a nation might well be that we have to compromise in some areas. I can accept that (IMHO our Government are not likely to sell the UK down the river) and I took that into consideration when I voted. It appears others cannot or did not!
So I'm assuming if what ever reason you voted to leave for isnt achieved you don't care you still happy with the vote. ??
This is the strangest situation ever people openly happy to be stitched up. The job has only started this was my fear that most leave voters didn't know what they want, are unwilling to hold the government to task. Just shows most of us leavers how no commitment to the cause.
Tue May 23, 2017 8:56 am
Tue May 23, 2017 5:17 pm
Sven wrote:Tell me again how hard done by you feel.
Tue May 23, 2017 5:29 pm
Hotdogboy wrote:Also Sven you keep avoiding direct questions. What were you top 5 reasons to vote to leave Europe?
If none of the above change after leaving will you be happ??
Tue May 23, 2017 7:27 pm
Tue May 23, 2017 7:27 pm
Tue May 23, 2017 7:37 pm
Jock wrote:Hotdogboy wrote:Also Sven you keep avoiding direct questions. What were you top 5 reasons to vote to leave Europe?
If none of the above change after leaving will you be happ??
Sovereignty
Immigration
Democracy
Trade freely with 93% of the Worlds population
A better future for my Granddaughter.
Thu May 25, 2017 8:27 am
Thu May 25, 2017 10:24 am
Thu May 25, 2017 10:39 am
Thu May 25, 2017 10:39 am
Thu May 25, 2017 10:54 am
Steve Zodiak wrote:We will continue complaining about public services in Wales, we will complain about our NHS. ambulance service etc., and we will continue voting for a Labour Party to run Wales as we have for the last 20 years. If Labour get into parliament, the Welsh Government will roughly get the same money as they will get under the Tory Party as the treasury will continue to use the Barnett Formula. In 5 years time we will still be complaining about our public services, and will then vote Labour in again to run them.
Thu May 25, 2017 11:20 am
Sneggyblubird wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:We will continue complaining about public services in Wales, we will complain about our NHS. ambulance service etc., and we will continue voting for a Labour Party to run Wales as we have for the last 20 years. If Labour get into parliament, the Welsh Government will roughly get the same money as they will get under the Tory Party as the treasury will continue to use the Barnett Formula. In 5 years time we will still be complaining about our public services, and will then vote Labour in again to run them.
The Barnet formula has been shown to be disproportionately unfair,thats why the Tories quote it chapter and verse because it suits their needs when they justify under funding Wales.
Thu May 25, 2017 11:48 am
wez1927 wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:We will continue complaining about public services in Wales, we will complain about our NHS. ambulance service etc., and we will continue voting for a Labour Party to run Wales as we have for the last 20 years. If Labour get into parliament, the Welsh Government will roughly get the same money as they will get under the Tory Party as the treasury will continue to use the Barnett Formula. In 5 years time we will still be complaining about our public services, and will then vote Labour in again to run them.
The Barnet formula has been shown to be disproportionately unfair,thats why the Tories quote it chapter and verse because it suits their needs when they justify under funding Wales.
Dont we get more money per head than english people tho ?
Thu May 25, 2017 12:30 pm
Thu May 25, 2017 4:01 pm
GarethB64 wrote:I would like to be have a strong NHS to treat me me in my old age and to look after my family should the need arise.
I also like the idea of the railways being nationalised and the profits going into the state and not to the few.
My children are about to go to University so it would be quite nice for them not to start out in life with a £30,000 debt.
It would be nice if there were more police on the streets to keep us a little safer.
I would like to think as a Country we would offer care to our sick and vulnerable and a place to live.
Having a minimum wage that would allow people to support themselves and live a reasonable life and not get exploited by the few seems like a good idea to me.
Not selling arms to a Country who seems to be behind most terrorist attacks and terrorist organisations seems a sensible plan.
Wanting to broker peace through negotiation rather than retaliation would be more sensible tactic than bombing countries and making tomorrows terrorists.
Running to kiss the ring of one of the most unstable leaders of the West when he was elected didnt make me feel proud.
I dont see how the average football fan can look at the policies of the Tories and think that they are the party that best protects them or represents their ideals. Thats why I will be voting Labour.
This may be my first post but certainly not my first visit to the forum. I have been a silent observer and City fan for 20 years. Just surprised and disappointed by some of the narrow minded opinions on this post.
Thu May 25, 2017 4:44 pm
Jonty106 wrote:GarethB64 wrote:I would like to be have a strong NHS to treat me me in my old age and to look after my family should the need arise.
I also like the idea of the railways being nationalised and the profits going into the state and not to the few.
My children are about to go to University so it would be quite nice for them not to start out in life with a £30,000 debt.
It would be nice if there were more police on the streets to keep us a little safer.
I would like to think as a Country we would offer care to our sick and vulnerable and a place to live.
Having a minimum wage that would allow people to support themselves and live a reasonable life and not get exploited by the few seems like a good idea to me.
Not selling arms to a Country who seems to be behind most terrorist attacks and terrorist organisations seems a sensible plan.
Wanting to broker peace through negotiation rather than retaliation would be more sensible tactic than bombing countries and making tomorrows terrorists.
Running to kiss the ring of one of the most unstable leaders of the West when he was elected didnt make me feel proud.
I dont see how the average football fan can look at the policies of the Tories and think that they are the party that best protects them or represents their ideals. Thats why I will be voting Labour.
This may be my first post but certainly not my first visit to the forum. I have been a silent observer and City fan for 20 years. Just surprised and disappointed by some of the narrow minded opinions on this post.
Nobody on here who has just joined the forum to post political bias can be considered as either genuine or even a true Bluebird. Your post stinks of MOMENTUM who offer nothing other than hard left delusional BS. MOMENTUM have infested Social Media and News Forum sites like a festering plague. They will spew rhetoric, anti tory bile, lies , exaggerations and insults and will try to shout down any opposition. Corbyn and his cronies are dinosaur Marxists and terrorist sympathisers and apologists. I would recommend the Morning Star or maybe the Guardian is more appropriate for you and "YOUR NARROW MINDED OPINIONS"
Thu May 25, 2017 5:17 pm
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Thu May 25, 2017 6:43 pm
Who are you wrote:What have they ever done for you?
Nhs no
Workers rights no
Food banks yes
Sold the family jewels yes
Increased poverty yes
Looked after their own yes
Look after everybody no
Zero hour contracts yes
Is there anything I forgot ?
Thu May 25, 2017 6:50 pm
Thu May 25, 2017 6:54 pm
Thu May 25, 2017 6:54 pm
Who are you wrote:What have they done for you?
Look forward to replies
Thu May 25, 2017 8:02 pm
Who are you wrote:What have they ever done for you?
Nhs no
Workers rights no
Food banks yes
Sold the family jewels yes
Increased poverty yes
Looked after their own yes
Look after everybody no
Zero hour contracts yes
Is there anything I forgot ?
Thu May 25, 2017 8:46 pm
dogfound wrote:Who are you wrote:What have they ever done for you?
Nhs no
Workers rights no
Food banks yes
Sold the family jewels yes
Increased poverty yes
Looked after their own yes
Look after everybody no
Zero hour contracts yes
Is there anything I forgot ?
yes to research this properly
Thu May 25, 2017 10:31 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:dogfound wrote:Who are you wrote:What have they ever done for you?
Nhs no
Workers rights no
Food banks yes
Sold the family jewels yes
Increased poverty yes
Looked after their own yes
Look after everybody no
Zero hour contracts yes
Is there anything I forgot ?
yes to research this properly
Was'nt going to say anything about his other points. If he had researched things, he would have spotted which party was in power when food banks increased by 20 times. However, I am not naive enough to blame this entirely on the ruling party at that time as similar increases were seen across most of Europe where people are prepared to be charitable. Zero hour contracts have been around for so long, even Tony Blair had promised to get rid of them. However, they are still here. People only believe what they want to believe. Sometimes a bit of research would show that unpopular policies and practices have been around for decades, and no party has addressed them to most people's satisfaction up to now.
Thu May 25, 2017 10:42 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:dogfound wrote:Who are you wrote:What have they ever done for you?
Nhs no
Workers rights no
Food banks yes
Sold the family jewels yes
Increased poverty yes
Looked after their own yes
Look after everybody no
Zero hour contracts yes
Is there anything I forgot ?
yes to research this properly
Was'nt going to say anything about his other points. If he had researched things, he would have spotted which party was in power when food banks increased by 20 times. However, I am not naive enough to blame this entirely on the ruling party at that time as similar increases were seen across most of Europe where people are prepared to be charitable. Zero hour contracts have been around for so long, even Tony Blair had promised to get rid of them. However, they are still here. People only believe what they want to believe. Sometimes a bit of research would show that unpopular policies and practices have been around for decades, and no party has addressed them to most people's satisfaction up to now.
Thu May 25, 2017 10:56 pm
Cardiffcitymad wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:dogfound wrote:Who are you wrote:What have they ever done for you?
Nhs no
Workers rights no
Food banks yes
Sold the family jewels yes
Increased poverty yes
Looked after their own yes
Look after everybody no
Zero hour contracts yes
Is there anything I forgot ?
yes to research this properly
Was'nt going to say anything about his other points. If he had researched things, he would have spotted which party was in power when food banks increased by 20 times. However, I am not naive enough to blame this entirely on the ruling party at that time as similar increases were seen across most of Europe where people are prepared to be charitable. Zero hour contracts have been around for so long, even Tony Blair had promised to get rid of them. However, they are still here. People only believe what they want to believe. Sometimes a bit of research would show that unpopular policies and practices have been around for decades, and no party has addressed them to most people's satisfaction up to now.
The tourism industry would be in a total mess if it wasn't for zero hour contracts.