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Poll Who you voting for in the general election

Con
106
38%
Lab
117
42%
Lib
7
3%
UKIP
9
3%
Plaid
26
9%
Green
2
1%
Snp
1
0%
Bnp
0
No votes
Nat front
5
2%
Other
5
2%
 
Total votes : 278

Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby dogfound » Sat May 20, 2017 10:06 am

alfie sherwood wrote:
dogfound wrote:
dogfound wrote:
alfie sherwood wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.

What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.

Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.

You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?


That's quite a rewriting of history you've just made there.

The extreme right, ie: Nazis and fascists always believe in tight central (state) control and some populist policies such as full employment, provision of social housing, state ownership etc. However such populism, as in the case of Nazis and fascists, is offset by policies that are at the extreme end of the right wing spectrum. The Nazis for instance were deeply authoritarian and persecuted and ultimately murdered on a vast scale minorities such as the disabled, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. They also believed in one party dictatorships, huge military spending, expansionist foreign policies and extremely harsh punishments for law breakers.

To suggest they weren't right wing is patently ridiculous.




youve described both the nazi party under Hitler and many extreme left comunist regimes there.

but cant see it.? or dont want to see it..?
much easier to say its patently rediculous than actually have a balanced take eh


I hold the extreme left and exteme right in almost equal contempt.

Hope that helps :thumbup:



how does that help me?
i was pointing something obvious out that your post suggested you were either oblivious too or didnt want to recognise.
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Postby dogfound » Sat May 20, 2017 10:11 am

dogfound wrote:
alfie sherwood wrote:
dogfound wrote:
dogfound wrote:
alfie sherwood wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.

What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.

Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.

You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?


That's quite a rewriting of history you've just made there.

The extreme right, ie: Nazis and fascists always believe in tight central (state) control and some populist policies such as full employment, provision of social housing, state ownership etc. However such populism, as in the case of Nazis and fascists, is offset by policies that are at the extreme end of the right wing spectrum. The Nazis for instance were deeply authoritarian and persecuted and ultimately murdered on a vast scale minorities such as the disabled, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. They also believed in one party dictatorships, huge military spending, expansionist foreign policies and extremely harsh punishments for law breakers.

To suggest they weren't right wing is patently ridiculous.




youve described both the nazi party under Hitler and many extreme left comunist regimes there.

but cant see it.? or dont want to see it..?
much easier to say its patently rediculous than actually have a balanced take eh


I hold the extreme left and exteme right in almost equal contempt.

Hope that helps :thumbup:



how does that help me?
i was pointing something obvious out that your post suggested you were either oblivious too or didnt want to recognise.
.
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby alfie sherwood » Sat May 20, 2017 10:28 am

dogfound wrote:
dogfound wrote:
alfie sherwood wrote:
dogfound wrote:
dogfound wrote:
alfie sherwood wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.

What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.

Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.

You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?


That's quite a rewriting of history you've just made there.

The extreme right, ie: Nazis and fascists always believe in tight central (state) control and some populist policies such as full employment, provision of social housing, state ownership etc. However such populism, as in the case of Nazis and fascists, is offset by policies that are at the extreme end of the right wing spectrum. The Nazis for instance were deeply authoritarian and persecuted and ultimately murdered on a vast scale minorities such as the disabled, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. They also believed in one party dictatorships, huge military spending, expansionist foreign policies and extremely harsh punishments for law breakers.

To suggest they weren't right wing is patently ridiculous.




youve described both the nazi party under Hitler and many extreme left comunist regimes there.

but cant see it.? or dont want to see it..?
much easier to say its patently rediculous than actually have a balanced take eh


I hold the extreme left and exteme right in almost equal contempt.

Hope that helps :thumbup:



how does that help me?
i was pointing something obvious out that your post suggested you were either oblivious too or didnt want to recognise.
.


Oh, I recognise it alright, that's why I also consider what's described as the hard left - for example Stalin's Soviet Union as a stain on humanity. There are huge amount of similarities between the hard left and hard right - authoritarianism, the silencing and murder of political opponents etc. Hard left/hard right = two cheeks of the same backside in my view.

Aside from the (many) things they have in common, main differences between hard left and hard right tend to be: hard right has a focus on racial superiority, religious sectarianism and Darwinism and hard left has focus on overthrow of capitalism.

It doesn't detract from the fact that Wez was spouting Olympic sized bollocks when he he wrote that the Nazi's weren't right wing though. :thumbup:
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Sneggyblubird » Sat May 20, 2017 12:04 pm

alfie sherwood wrote:
dogfound wrote:
dogfound wrote:
alfie sherwood wrote:
dogfound wrote:
dogfound wrote:
alfie sherwood wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.

What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.

Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.

You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?


That's quite a rewriting of history you've just made there.

The extreme right, ie: Nazis and fascists always believe in tight central (state) control and some populist policies such as full employment, provision of social housing, state ownership etc. However such populism, as in the case of Nazis and fascists, is offset by policies that are at the extreme end of the right wing spectrum. The Nazis for instance were deeply authoritarian and persecuted and ultimately murdered on a vast scale minorities such as the disabled, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. They also believed in one party dictatorships, huge military spending, expansionist foreign policies and extremely harsh punishments for law breakers.

To suggest they weren't right wing is patently ridiculous.




youve described both the nazi party under Hitler and many extreme left comunist regimes there.

but cant see it.? or dont want to see it..?
much easier to say its patently rediculous than actually have a balanced take eh


I hold the extreme left and exteme right in almost equal contempt.

Hope that helps :thumbup:



how does that help me?
i was pointing something obvious out that your post suggested you were either oblivious too or didnt want to recognise.
.


Oh, I recognise it alright, that's why I also consider what's described as the hard left - for example Stalin's Soviet Union as a stain on humanity. There are huge amount of similarities between the hard left and hard right - authoritarianism, the silencing and murder of political opponents etc. Hard left/hard right = two cheeks of the same backside in my view.

Aside from the (many) things they have in common, main differences between hard left and hard right tend to be: hard right has a focus on racial superiority, religious sectarianism and Darwinism and hard left has focus on overthrow of capitalism.

It doesn't detract from the fact that Wez was spouting Olympic sized bollocks when he he wrote that the Nazi's weren't right wing though. :thumbup:


Wasting your time mate.You could get him an interview with Hitler and he'd still wouldn't change his mind.Actually if Wez had been around in 1942 and spoke to Hitler he probably would have shot himself 3 years earlier. :lol:
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby dogfound » Sat May 20, 2017 12:24 pm

Sneggyblubird wrote:
alfie sherwood wrote:
dogfound wrote:
dogfound wrote:
alfie sherwood wrote:
dogfound wrote:
dogfound wrote:
alfie sherwood wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.

What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.

Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.

You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?


That's quite a rewriting of history you've just made there.

The extreme right, ie: Nazis and fascists always believe in tight central (state) control and some populist policies such as full employment, provision of social housing, state ownership etc. However such populism, as in the case of Nazis and fascists, is offset by policies that are at the extreme end of the right wing spectrum. The Nazis for instance were deeply authoritarian and persecuted and ultimately murdered on a vast scale minorities such as the disabled, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. They also believed in one party dictatorships, huge military spending, expansionist foreign policies and extremely harsh punishments for law breakers.

To suggest they weren't right wing is patently ridiculous.




youve described both the nazi party under Hitler and many extreme left comunist regimes there.

but cant see it.? or dont want to see it..?
much easier to say its patently rediculous than actually have a balanced take eh


I hold the extreme left and exteme right in almost equal contempt.

Hope that helps :thumbup:



how does that help me?
i was pointing something obvious out that your post suggested you were either oblivious too or didnt want to recognise.
.


Oh, I recognise it alright, that's why I also consider what's described as the hard left - for example Stalin's Soviet Union as a stain on humanity. There are huge amount of similarities between the hard left and hard right - authoritarianism, the silencing and murder of political opponents etc. Hard left/hard right = two cheeks of the same backside in my view.

Aside from the (many) things they have in common, main differences between hard left and hard right tend to be: hard right has a focus on racial superiority, religious sectarianism and Darwinism and hard left has focus on overthrow of capitalism.

It doesn't detract from the fact that Wez was spouting Olympic sized bollocks when he he wrote that the Nazi's weren't right wing though. :thumbup:


Wasting your time mate.You could get him an interview with Hitler and he'd still wouldn't change his mind.Actually if Wez had been around in 1942 and spoke to Hitler he probably would have shot himself 3 years earlier. :lol:



depends at what point he interviewed him.
much about Hitler and the Nazi party politics and actions seem to have been very fluid depending often far more on circumstance than ideology as its almost impossible to have any meaningful long term political agenda when your so embroiled in wars and so many of your citizens are abroad fighting them.
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby DandoCCFC » Sat May 20, 2017 7:34 pm

Going Plaid on this one.

Be gutted to see the Tories win this under May as it will not benefit us (Wales).. she has a lot of problems with a lot of Welsh politicians and has no interest in Wales therefore causing more divide once again.. voting conservative will not benefit us at all in any way she only has one concern and that's England.
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Hotdogboy » Sat May 20, 2017 9:45 pm

Lib dems for me only ones who will give us a vote on brexit deal.
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Sven » Sun May 21, 2017 1:47 pm

Hotdogboy wrote:Lib dems for me only ones who will give us a vote on brexit deal.



The Conservatives gave us a vote and we (the majority of the people who could be bothered to turn up) did! ;)

The result (for the uneducated) was that the UK voted to LEAVE the EU :clap:

It is now up to the politicians to get it sorted with the best deal they can get. They'll do it on our behalf and it won't be in their interests or ours to mess it up, so just let them get on with it

A vote for the Liberals is a wasted vote in this particular election and people need to consider that it was David Cameron giving said vote in the first place that created the situation we are now in! :oops:

Rightly or wrongly is (I guess) a matter of personal opinion depending on whether people wanted in or out of the EU prior to the vote being given

I voted OUT for a number of reasons (mainly connected to our right to decide our own direction and not that forced upon us by unelected but highly paid bureaucrats) but my personal opinion is that giving the people the decision was ill-conceived at best and maybe even downright dangerous given both the relative ignorance of the people and the downright mis-information or apocalyptic forecasts given. To date, the opposite has happened and it reminds me of the claims of major computer issues when the clock ticked in to the year 2000 and on the day the whole experience was a damp but expensive squib!

But, it is what it is and it's time to get on with it, so both the UK and the EU (who it needs to be remembered are fearful that the UK's exit will be the first of several) can concentrate on their own game and move on

The people have spoken and no amount of whingeing will change the irrefutable FACT that the majority of people (even if it was by one single vote) simply wanted the UK out of the EU and it was not a "wait and see before we make a proper decision" scenario :thumbright: :ayatollah:
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Steve Zodiak » Sun May 21, 2017 1:58 pm

Agree with Sven, but we in Wales have been run by Labour for the last 20 years, and in all honesty I don't see much changing after this election. I would be very surprised if we see any major changes down at the Bay, and I think we can almost guarantee that Wales will continue to be run by Labour for the next five years at least.
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Postby Tony Blue Williams » Sun May 21, 2017 3:20 pm

Sneggyblubird wrote:
Wasting your time mate. You could get him an interview with Hitler and he'd still wouldn't change his mind. Actually if Wez had been around in 1942 and spoke to Hitler he probably would have shot himself 3 years earlier. :lol:


Brilliant :clap: surely a contender for post of the year :thumbup: :occasion5:
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Sven » Sun May 21, 2017 3:23 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:Agree with Sven, but we in Wales have been run by Labour for the last 20 years, and in all honesty I don't see much changing after this election. I would be very surprised if we see any major changes down at the Bay, and I think we can almost guarantee that Wales will continue to be run by Labour for the next five years at least.




Steve, you are correct on that score and in Wales it will mean little or no difference! :thumbup:

Not a fan of the Welsh Assembly and even less so when I see their 'system' allowing a clown like Neil Hamilton to 'sneak' in through the backdoor for no reason other than a pay day and a chance to air his depleted views (not all political) in public! :(
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Hotdogboy » Sun May 21, 2017 4:28 pm

Sven wrote:
Hotdogboy wrote:Lib dems for me only ones who will give us a vote on brexit deal.



The Conservatives gave us a vote and we (the majority of the people who could be bothered to turn up) did! ;)

The result (for the uneducated) was that the UK voted to LEAVE the EU :clap:

It is now up to the politicians to get it sorted with the best deal they can get. They'll do it on our behalf and it won't be in their interests or ours to mess it up, so just let them get on with it

A vote for the Liberals is a wasted vote in this particular election and people need to consider that it was David Cameron giving said vote in the first place that created the situation we are now in! :oops:

Rightly or wrongly is (I guess) a matter of personal opinion depending on whether people wanted in or out of the EU prior to the vote being given

I voted OUT for a number of reasons (mainly connected to our right to decide our own direction and not that forced upon us by unelected but highly paid bureaucrats) but my personal opinion is that giving the people the decision was ill-conceived at best and maybe even downright dangerous given both the relative ignorance of the people and the downright mis-information or apocalyptic forecasts given. To date, the opposite has happened and it reminds me of the claims of major computer issues when the clock ticked in to the year 2000 and on the day the whole experience was a damp but expensive squib!

But, it is what it is and it's time to get on with it, so both the UK and the EU (who it needs to be remembered are fearful that the UK's exit will be the first of several) can concentrate on their own game and move on

The people have spoken and no amount of whingeing will change the irrefutable FACT that the majority of people (even if it was by one single vote) simply wanted the UK out of the EU and it was not a "wait and see before we make a proper decision" scenario :thumbright: :ayatollah:


I voted out and I want to make sure the government are held accountable to what I voted for. I don't want them agreeing to some watered down agreement where in all but name we still in the eu. Dealing with mass immigration, paying for having access to the single market. But with no say how things are run.

To me it seems many leavers were never actually wanting to leave and voted through spite. Now that leave one no one seems interested in making sure we get to leave, we need this vote to hold the gov accountable as we not going to get what we wanted other wise. Mark my words we about to be massively stitched up by a government with a. Big majority.
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Hotdogboy » Sun May 21, 2017 4:34 pm

Sven could I ask you if you assumed I was a "remained" that was having a whinge ??
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Postby wez1927 » Sun May 21, 2017 5:24 pm

Tories still in tbe lead on a welsh website,if this is replicated on a nation scale in wales labour are in for a shock
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Postby Magners » Sun May 21, 2017 10:03 pm

A similar poll was done on the Brexit vote and this message board voted with a majority to leave.

There could very well be a big swing to the Conservatives in South East Wales.
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby dogfound » Sun May 21, 2017 10:30 pm

Sven wrote:
Hotdogboy wrote:Lib dems for me only ones who will give us a vote on brexit deal.



The Conservatives gave us a vote and we (the majority of the people who could be bothered to turn up) did! ;)

The result (for the uneducated) was that the UK voted to LEAVE the EU :clap:

It is now up to the politicians to get it sorted with the best deal they can get. They'll do it on our behalf and it won't be in their interests or ours to mess it up, so just let them get on with it

A vote for the Liberals is a wasted vote in this particular election and people need to consider that it was David Cameron giving said vote in the first place that created the situation we are now in! :oops:

Rightly or wrongly is (I guess) a matter of personal opinion depending on whether people wanted in or out of the EU prior to the vote being given

I voted OUT for a number of reasons (mainly connected to our right to decide our own direction and not that forced upon us by unelected but highly paid bureaucrats) but my personal opinion is that giving the people the decision was ill-conceived at best and maybe even downright dangerous given both the relative ignorance of the people and the downright mis-information or apocalyptic forecasts given. To date, the opposite has happened and it reminds me of the claims of major computer issues when the clock ticked in to the year 2000 and on the day the whole experience was a damp but expensive squib!

But, it is what it is and it's time to get on with it, so both the UK and the EU (who it needs to be remembered are fearful that the UK's exit will be the first of several) can concentrate on their own game and move on

The people have spoken and no amount of whingeing will change the irrefutable FACT that the majority of people (even if it was by one single vote) simply wanted the UK out of the EU and it was not a "wait and see before we make a proper decision" scenario :thumbright: :ayatollah:



youve said now a number of times things like ...those that could be bothered to vote.
if your of the opinion it was a low turnout your wrong.
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Sven » Mon May 22, 2017 12:42 am

Hotdogboy wrote:Sven could I ask you if you assumed I was a "remained" that was having a whinge ??




No, I wasn't assuming and I didn't read it like that. I simply responded to a post that permitted me to point out a few facts, i.e. that the vote was a simple yes or no and the consequences (real or assumed) were not truly presented beforehand by either side

Indeed, in my opinion they haven't been truly represented since the vote either but the UK has now to live with the majority decision and Theresa May has to do the best she can to get a decent deal for the UK without the EU appearing to lose face either (not an easy thing to achieve)

It is clear the Liberals don't want to leave the EU, which is the same position as nearly (but not quite) half the UK population but the vote is done and the consequences will either be good or bad in the medium to long term of the UK and maybe the EU itself. Only time will tell...

Another referendum would (IMHO) not be a good idea, as it would only send out a message that the people of the UK want to have their cake and eat it at the same time

The way I see it is some people are saying "We want a deal on our terms or we won't leave at all!" and that is simply an unworkable position, as it leaves the UK vulnerable to the EU blocking our exit by stealth if they thought for even one minute that the UK Government would capitulate on the position voted for by the majority

Can you imagine if the UK backed off and said to the EU "We're sorry. We thought it was a good idea but we can't play by the rules being set, so we'd like to take it all back and we'll take all the likely repercussions and/or ridicule that would surely come our way over the years to come"

It may sound good to some but it would have massive consequences for the UK if it were to be brought to heel in Europe with its proverbial tail between its legs :(
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Sven » Mon May 22, 2017 1:03 am

dogfound wrote:
Sven wrote:
Hotdogboy wrote:Lib dems for me only ones who will give us a vote on brexit deal.



The Conservatives gave us a vote and we (the majority of the people who could be bothered to turn up) did! ;)

The result (for the uneducated) was that the UK voted to LEAVE the EU :clap:

It is now up to the politicians to get it sorted with the best deal they can get. They'll do it on our behalf and it won't be in their interests or ours to mess it up, so just let them get on with it

A vote for the Liberals is a wasted vote in this particular election and people need to consider that it was David Cameron giving said vote in the first place that created the situation we are now in! :oops:

Rightly or wrongly is (I guess) a matter of personal opinion depending on whether people wanted in or out of the EU prior to the vote being given

I voted OUT for a number of reasons (mainly connected to our right to decide our own direction and not that forced upon us by unelected but highly paid bureaucrats) but my personal opinion is that giving the people the decision was ill-conceived at best and maybe even downright dangerous given both the relative ignorance of the people and the downright mis-information or apocalyptic forecasts given. To date, the opposite has happened and it reminds me of the claims of major computer issues when the clock ticked in to the year 2000 and on the day the whole experience was a damp but expensive squib!

But, it is what it is and it's time to get on with it, so both the UK and the EU (who it needs to be remembered are fearful that the UK's exit will be the first of several) can concentrate on their own game and move on

The people have spoken and no amount of whingeing will change the irrefutable FACT that the majority of people (even if it was by one single vote) simply wanted the UK out of the EU and it was not a "wait and see before we make a proper decision" scenario :thumbright: :ayatollah:



youve said now a number of times things like ...those that could be bothered to vote.
if your of the opinion it was a low turnout your wrong.




Did I say that there was a low turnout? :?

Uhm, no and a proper read (rather than making things up) would have seen that! ;) :roll:

I merely point out that only people who voted can really have a credible opinion on the outcome, as those who didn't vote (with some exceptions) would appear not to care enough either way to put themselves out!

I am of the same opinion when I read (usually damning) posts on how the football club should be run by posters (again with some exceptions) who have either never or perhaps simply no longer turn up and I'll often refer to the term "attending supporters" as a direct inference to those that really matter, i.e. those that turn up and pay to watch the team! :thumbright: :ayatollah:
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Hotdogboy » Mon May 22, 2017 8:50 am

So Sven may I ask what you reasons for leaving the e.u were just the top 5 would do.
My were no immigration without our say so from anywhere. Freedom to trade with who we want. Freedom to make our own employment laws less protection for employees so they have to work to keep they jobs. Hard border with Ireland. To not share any intelligence with Europe. My main reasons to get out of Europe. And that's what I want anything less is not what I voted for. I want what I voted for. To many leavers don't seem to care what they get. Which says to me they didn't know what they were voting for.

Also you mentioned in you post that over half the country wanted out. This is incorrect. A massive amount of people weren't entitled to vote and some would argue like myself this vote effects them more than most current voters. Which is why I voted leave believing I was doing the best for their future.

Also over 27% of voters didn't turn out so even then half of the voters didn't vote remain. Estimates around 38% of voters actually voted leave. A much smaller number if you include the whole population. Then it looks like we won with a tiny % which to me isn't democratically correct. A few deciding for the many. But it's worked in my favour so I'm happy to run with it if I get what I actually voted for.

I believe if there was another vote the country would vote remain.
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Hotdogboy » Mon May 22, 2017 9:05 am

Leave voters 17.4 mill.
Remain voters. 16.1 mill
Didn't not vote 12.9 mill
Not on electoral register 18.1 mill

More people weren't allowed to voice they vote than voted leave.
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Re: Poll Who you voting for in the General election

Postby CaerphillyBluebird15 » Mon May 22, 2017 1:08 pm

CasuallyCasual wrote:I can't believe there are so many misinformed flippers on here that are considering voting for the Tories



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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby wez1927 » Mon May 22, 2017 3:17 pm

Hotdogboy wrote:Leave voters 17.4 mill.
Remain voters. 16.1 mill
Didn't not vote 12.9 mill
Not on electoral register 18.1 mill

More people weren't allowed to voice they vote than voted leave.

Your fugures are a bit misleading only 45 million in britain are of voting age and over
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby MarshfieldIsBlue » Mon May 22, 2017 3:18 pm

Labour or Plaid Cymru.

Check out isidewith.com , pick UK in the top right corner and answer the questions. I'm apparently 78% Plaid Cymru, and 74% Labour.
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby BluebirdWhitchurch » Mon May 22, 2017 4:01 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.

What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.

Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.

You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?


Wez the Nazis were right wing. The term national socialists was used as a way to appeal to the whole of Germany, national - right wing, socialists - left wing. The only real left wing sect of the Nazis was Gregor Strasser in the north who were purged by the rest of the party in the Night of the Long Knives.
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Sven » Mon May 22, 2017 4:51 pm

Hotdogboy wrote:So Sven may I ask what you reasons for leaving the e.u were just the top 5 would do.
My were no immigration without our say so from anywhere. Freedom to trade with who we want. Freedom to make our own employment laws less protection for employees so they have to work to keep they jobs. Hard border with Ireland. To not share any intelligence with Europe. My main reasons to get out of Europe. And that's what I want anything less is not what I voted for. I want what I voted for. To many leavers don't seem to care what they get. Which says to me they didn't know what they were voting for.

Also you mentioned in you post that over half the country wanted out. This is incorrect. A massive amount of people weren't entitled to vote and some would argue like myself this vote effects them more than most current voters. Which is why I voted leave believing I was doing the best for their future.

Also over 27% of voters didn't turn out so even then half of the voters didn't vote remain. Estimates around 38% of voters actually voted leave. A much smaller number if you include the whole population. Then it looks like we won with a tiny % which to me isn't democratically correct. A few deciding for the many. But it's worked in my favour so I'm happy to run with it if I get what I actually voted for.

I believe if there was another vote the country would vote remain.





You may ask but all I will say is that whilst we may have voted the same way, our reasons are wide apart; particularly on the sharing of information, which I believe is essential ;)

Of those who voted (surely the only ones who can be counted? :? ) more than half voted Brexit...FACT!

What you weren't given was a number of scenarios of 'how' we leave. You voted on a simple yes or no scenario and now the Government have the unenviable task of getting it done to the satisfaction of a public most of whom still don't understand all the politicking involved

We'd all like different things out of the situation but the cost of our 'self-determination' as a nation might well be that we have to compromise in some areas. I can accept that (IMHO our Government are not likely to sell the UK down the river) and I took that into consideration when I voted. It appears others cannot or did not! :shock:
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Re: Poll Who you voting for in the General election

Postby wez1927 » Mon May 22, 2017 7:32 pm

darran1927 wrote:Don't know who I m voting for yet but to me at first glance Labours figures don't add up , what he promises sounds great free school meals , free tution fees , more police etc but don't get how he is in planning on paying for all this , something has got to give somewhere ,

Corbyn has admitted today that he doesnt know how to pay for tution fees so the answer is its pie in the sky
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Re: Poll Who you voting for in the General election

Postby neathbluebird » Mon May 22, 2017 11:11 pm

CasuallyCasual wrote:I can't believe there are so many misinformed flippers on here that are considering voting for the Tories

spot on mate
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Re: ' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

Postby Hotdogboy » Mon May 22, 2017 11:12 pm

Sven wrote:
Hotdogboy wrote:So Sven may I ask what you reasons for leaving the e.u were just the top 5 would do.
My were no immigration without our say so from anywhere. Freedom to trade with who we want. Freedom to make our own employment laws less protection for employees so they have to work to keep they jobs. Hard border with Ireland. To not share any intelligence with Europe. My main reasons to get out of Europe. And that's what I want anything less is not what I voted for. I want what I voted for. To many leavers don't seem to care what they get. Which says to me they didn't know what they were voting for.

Also you mentioned in you post that over half the country wanted out. This is incorrect. A massive amount of people weren't entitled to vote and some would argue like myself this vote effects them more than most current voters. Which is why I voted leave believing I was doing the best for their future.

Also over 27% of voters didn't turn out so even then half of the voters didn't vote remain. Estimates around 38% of voters actually voted leave. A much smaller number if you include the whole population. Then it looks like we won with a tiny % which to me isn't democratically correct. A few deciding for the many. But it's worked in my favour so I'm happy to run with it if I get what I actually voted for.

I believe if there was another vote the country would vote remain.





You may ask but all I will say is that whilst we may have voted the same way, our reasons are wide apart; particularly on the sharing of information, which I believe is essential ;)

Of those who voted (surely the only ones who can be counted? :? ) more than half voted Brexit...FACT!

What you weren't given was a number of scenarios of 'how' we leave. You voted on a simple yes or no scenario and now the Government have the unenviable task of getting it done to the satisfaction of a public most of whom still don't understand all the politicking involved

We'd all like different things out of the situation but the cost of our 'self-determination' as a nation might well be that we have to compromise in some areas. I can accept that (IMHO our Government are not likely to sell the UK down the river) and I took that into consideration when I voted. It appears others cannot or did not! :shock:



So I'm assuming if what ever reason you voted to leave for isnt achieved you don't care you still happy with the vote. ??
This is the strangest situation ever people openly happy to be stitched up. The job has only started this was my fear that most leave voters didn't know what they want, are unwilling to hold the government to task. Just shows most of us leavers how no commitment to the cause.
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