Thu May 18, 2017 5:15 pm
Zabier wrote:Times have changed though, Steve. These aren't the 1970s. The global, political, and social climate is entirely different now. Don't get me wrong, I understand the fear. This Labour government is far more left than the previous. New Labour was Tory-lite. Even previous Labour governments haven't had the right policies.
I don't understand why people are so critical of policies that promote so much good for the majority but are then willing to overlook policies by other parties that are so negative towards the majority. If you put the Labour policies side by side with the Tory ones do you honestly still think you'd say the Tory policies are more beneficial to the majority of this country?
Please avoid using the "living in dream land" argument. Just because we want better for the majority does not make it a fantasy land. I've heard people say the Labour manifesto's costs don't add up. At least they go into detail about how they aim to generate the funds and cover costs. I didn't see any justification when the Tories spent billions upon billions on renewing Trident, proposing a referendum that could lead to a $64 billion Brexit divorce fee, and even more billions on a controversial nuclear power station that will be managed by the Chinese.
What is it about our society that leads people to be so vitriolic to policies and ideas that will help them yet cautiously optimistic about policies that clearly won't benefit them?
I am still interested to hear what it is about this Tory government under May that makes the average person in the street want to vote for them? I'm not being antagonistic. I genuinely want to know because so far the reasons I have heard don't make sense. Voting them to deliver Brexit when it was Corbyn that wanted to leave and May that wanted to remain. Voting them for strong and stable government... even though every action May has carried out has been erratic, paranoid, and foolish. Voting them because they will be better for the working class than Labour? You only need to read the contrasting policies to realise that's just not true.
So please do inform me why the average person wants to vote Tory? Also, slagging off Jeremy Corbyn isn't an option. Even if you think he's a c**t there are plenty of options that simply aren't Tory that would be far better for you to vote. If I am clueless and out of touch then help me see what I am missing.
Thu May 18, 2017 5:15 pm
Thu May 18, 2017 5:18 pm
BlueDredd wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/2006/jun/30/health.politics?CMP=share_btn_fb
This is the party that you want to elect? Liars that have no interest in what the majority want. You far right lot claim that it's better for Brexit.. yet you have a firm "remainer" at the helm.
I find it absolutely insane that so many are completely opposed to Labour, when their manifesto is made for everyone apart from the few top percent, and has been made for the better of this country. They are in no means perfect.. but far better than these absolutely shit heads in place now.
In 7 years they've doubled the national debt, they've destroyed the housing market, homelessness has doubled, they've made arms deals with countries that have absolutely no human rights laws, they're looking to privatise our NHS, wipe out legal aid, abolish 80 years worth of child protection and open this up for private firms, slashed disability benefits! The list is endless! Our wages are lower than they were 10 years ago! And all they want to do is spread propaganda all over the f*cking media about a man that's doing his best for the people, and all you lot want to do is back these pathetic shadey pricks that have none of you in mind while they're stalling over producing a piss poor manifesto, that benefits not one of us.
Thu May 18, 2017 5:36 pm
BlueDredd wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/2006/jun/30/health.politics?CMP=share_btn_fb
This is the party that you want to elect? Liars that have no interest in what the majority want. You far right lot claim that it's better for Brexit.. yet you have a firm "remainer" at the helm.
I find it absolutely insane that so many are completely opposed to Labour, when their manifesto is made for everyone apart from the few top percent, and has been made for the better of this country. They are in no means perfect.. but far better than these absolutely shit heads in place now.
In 7 years they've doubled the national debt, they've destroyed the housing market, homelessness has doubled, they've made arms deals with countries that have absolutely no human rights laws, they're looking to privatise our NHS, wipe out legal aid, abolish 80 years worth of child protection and open this up for private firms, slashed disability benefits! The list is endless! Our wages are lower than they were 10 years ago! And all they want to do is spread propaganda all over the f*cking media about a man that's doing his best for the people, and all you lot want to do is back these pathetic shadey pricks that have none of you in mind while they're stalling over producing a piss poor manifesto, that benefits not one of us.
Thu May 18, 2017 5:45 pm
wez1927 wrote:BlueDredd wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/2006/jun/30/health.politics?CMP=share_btn_fb
This is the party that you want to elect? Liars that have no interest in what the majority want. You far right lot claim that it's better for Brexit.. yet you have a firm "remainer" at the helm.
I find it absolutely insane that so many are completely opposed to Labour, when their manifesto is made for everyone apart from the few top percent, and has been made for the better of this country. They are in no means perfect.. but far better than these absolutely shit heads in place now.
In 7 years they've doubled the national debt, they've destroyed the housing market, homelessness has doubled, they've made arms deals with countries that have absolutely no human rights laws, they're looking to privatise our NHS, wipe out legal aid, abolish 80 years worth of child protection and open this up for private firms, slashed disability benefits! The list is endless! Our wages are lower than they were 10 years ago! And all they want to do is spread propaganda all over the f*cking media about a man that's doing his best for the people, and all you lot want to do is back these pathetic shadey pricks that have none of you in mind while they're stalling over producing a piss poor manifesto, that benefits not one of us.
Destroyed the housing market ? Theyve built more homes in the last 5 years than labour did in there whole time in power ,help to buy more social housing come on ffs ,under labour it was boom and bust in the housing industry
Thu May 18, 2017 5:46 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Zabier wrote:Times have changed though, Steve. These aren't the 1970s. The global, political, and social climate is entirely different now. Don't get me wrong, I understand the fear. This Labour government is far more left than the previous. New Labour was Tory-lite. Even previous Labour governments haven't had the right policies.
I don't understand why people are so critical of policies that promote so much good for the majority but are then willing to overlook policies by other parties that are so negative towards the majority. If you put the Labour policies side by side with the Tory ones do you honestly still think you'd say the Tory policies are more beneficial to the majority of this country?
Please avoid using the "living in dream land" argument. Just because we want better for the majority does not make it a fantasy land. I've heard people say the Labour manifesto's costs don't add up. At least they go into detail about how they aim to generate the funds and cover costs. I didn't see any justification when the Tories spent billions upon billions on renewing Trident, proposing a referendum that could lead to a $64 billion Brexit divorce fee, and even more billions on a controversial nuclear power station that will be managed by the Chinese.
What is it about our society that leads people to be so vitriolic to policies and ideas that will help them yet cautiously optimistic about policies that clearly won't benefit them?
I am still interested to hear what it is about this Tory government under May that makes the average person in the street want to vote for them? I'm not being antagonistic. I genuinely want to know because so far the reasons I have heard don't make sense. Voting them to deliver Brexit when it was Corbyn that wanted to leave and May that wanted to remain. Voting them for strong and stable government... even though every action May has carried out has been erratic, paranoid, and foolish. Voting them because they will be better for the working class than Labour? You only need to read the contrasting policies to realise that's just not true.
So please do inform me why the average person wants to vote Tory? Also, slagging off Jeremy Corbyn isn't an option. Even if you think he's a c**t there are plenty of options that simply aren't Tory that would be far better for you to vote. If I am clueless and out of touch then help me see what I am missing.
Well you will find that I am not one of those who has ever resorted to personal insults, whether they be directed at Corbyn or any labour voters. I am also not one of those who make my decision based on what I read in the press, if I was I would certainly be a labour voter as I take The Mirror, primarily for it's sports coverage. I base my decision on what I see and experience personally, and read all the parties promises knowing that none of them can possibly deliver on everything. I also base my opinions on how previous governments have affected my living standards. In all honesty, neither has had a massive impact on me, but Labour has had a more negative impact on me personally than the Tory party. The thought of Abbott and McDonnell etc., in positions of huge responsibility worry me more than their counterparts. Everyone must vote as they see fit, and whoever wins will win because more people believe that the elected party can do a better job than the other. Either way, I will get on with my life the best I can, and I don't see any huge difference in my living standards whatever.
Thu May 18, 2017 5:58 pm
Zabier wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Zabier wrote:Times have changed though, Steve. These aren't the 1970s. The global, political, and social climate is entirely different now. Don't get me wrong, I understand the fear. This Labour government is far more left than the previous. New Labour was Tory-lite. Even previous Labour governments haven't had the right policies.
I don't understand why people are so critical of policies that promote so much good for the majority but are then willing to overlook policies by other parties that are so negative towards the majority. If you put the Labour policies side by side with the Tory ones do you honestly still think you'd say the Tory policies are more beneficial to the majority of this country?
Please avoid using the "living in dream land" argument. Just because we want better for the majority does not make it a fantasy land. I've heard people say the Labour manifesto's costs don't add up. At least they go into detail about how they aim to generate the funds and cover costs. I didn't see any justification when the Tories spent billions upon billions on renewing Trident, proposing a referendum that could lead to a $64 billion Brexit divorce fee, and even more billions on a controversial nuclear power station that will be managed by the Chinese.
What is it about our society that leads people to be so vitriolic to policies and ideas that will help them yet cautiously optimistic about policies that clearly won't benefit them?
I am still interested to hear what it is about this Tory government under May that makes the average person in the street want to vote for them? I'm not being antagonistic. I genuinely want to know because so far the reasons I have heard don't make sense. Voting them to deliver Brexit when it was Corbyn that wanted to leave and May that wanted to remain. Voting them for strong and stable government... even though every action May has carried out has been erratic, paranoid, and foolish. Voting them because they will be better for the working class than Labour? You only need to read the contrasting policies to realise that's just not true.
So please do inform me why the average person wants to vote Tory? Also, slagging off Jeremy Corbyn isn't an option. Even if you think he's a c**t there are plenty of options that simply aren't Tory that would be far better for you to vote. If I am clueless and out of touch then help me see what I am missing.
Well you will find that I am not one of those who has ever resorted to personal insults, whether they be directed at Corbyn or any labour voters. I am also not one of those who make my decision based on what I read in the press, if I was I would certainly be a labour voter as I take The Mirror, primarily for it's sports coverage. I base my decision on what I see and experience personally, and read all the parties promises knowing that none of them can possibly deliver on everything. I also base my opinions on how previous governments have affected my living standards. In all honesty, neither has had a massive impact on me, but Labour has had a more negative impact on me personally than the Tory party. The thought of Abbott and McDonnell etc., in positions of huge responsibility worry me more than their counterparts. Everyone must vote as they see fit, and whoever wins will win because more people believe that the elected party can do a better job than the other. Either way, I will get on with my life the best I can, and I don't see any huge difference in my living standards whatever.
Well, Steve, I shall end my side of the debate here. I respect the fact you have taken the time and effort to consider what you're voting for. Even though I don't agree with your view I can accept that you feel the way you do. You have your valid reasons and I fully understand that. I don't want to be someone that denounces anyone that votes a certain way. You've given your side of the argument and I appreciate that. Perhaps you are right, nothing will change. At least both of us will be there on polling day. Voting opposite sides but there nonetheless. That's what really counts.
Fri May 19, 2017 6:25 am
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Fri May 19, 2017 10:35 am
Merlin11 wrote:The polls are closing and that was before yesterday's Tory manifesto triple whammy. It will be interesting to see the reaction of the grey vote and also young families who learned that free school meals will be discontinued. Thatcher took away the milk now Thatcher mark 2 takes away school meals. Jeremy Corbyns poll ratings are also on the up as people like his campaigning skills as opposed to the wooden Theresa May. The right wing on her only know mud slinging with no policies to back up their ridiculous rants.
Fri May 19, 2017 10:35 am
The nations Capitol wrote:Left wing = vermin.
Fri May 19, 2017 10:41 am
Fri May 19, 2017 10:52 am
Steve Zodiak wrote:wez1927 wrote:BlueDredd wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/2006/jun/30/health.politics?CMP=share_btn_fb
This is the party that you want to elect? Liars that have no interest in what the majority want. You far right lot claim that it's better for Brexit.. yet you have a firm "remainer" at the helm.
I find it absolutely insane that so many are completely opposed to Labour, when their manifesto is made for everyone apart from the few top percent, and has been made for the better of this country. They are in no means perfect.. but far better than these absolutely shit heads in place now.
In 7 years they've doubled the national debt, they've destroyed the housing market, homelessness has doubled, they've made arms deals with countries that have absolutely no human rights laws, they're looking to privatise our NHS, wipe out legal aid, abolish 80 years worth of child protection and open this up for private firms, slashed disability benefits! The list is endless! Our wages are lower than they were 10 years ago! And all they want to do is spread propaganda all over the f*cking media about a man that's doing his best for the people, and all you lot want to do is back these pathetic shadey pricks that have none of you in mind while they're stalling over producing a piss poor manifesto, that benefits not one of us.
Destroyed the housing market ? Theyve built more homes in the last 5 years than labour did in there whole time in power ,help to buy more social housing come on ffs ,under labour it was boom and bust in the housing industry
I think too much importance is paid to what is printed in the press. I take no great notice of anything in any of the papers, they all have their own agenda. I prefer to listen to what people are saying, and interpret it myself rather than read a reporter's interpretation of something. Anyone who votes based on what they read in the press is only really listening to a small group of reporters who usually have strong view of their own. Whether their views are correct is up to you to prove one way or the other, or alternatively believe everything they say. Down to personal choice I suppose.
Fri May 19, 2017 11:03 am
Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.
What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.
Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.
Fri May 19, 2017 11:03 am
angelis1949 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:wez1927 wrote:BlueDredd wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/2006/jun/30/health.politics?CMP=share_btn_fb
This is the party that you want to elect? Liars that have no interest in what the majority want. You far right lot claim that it's better for Brexit.. yet you have a firm "remainer" at the helm.
I find it absolutely insane that so many are completely opposed to Labour, when their manifesto is made for everyone apart from the few top percent, and has been made for the better of this country. They are in no means perfect.. but far better than these absolutely shit heads in place now.
In 7 years they've doubled the national debt, they've destroyed the housing market, homelessness has doubled, they've made arms deals with countries that have absolutely no human rights laws, they're looking to privatise our NHS, wipe out legal aid, abolish 80 years worth of child protection and open this up for private firms, slashed disability benefits! The list is endless! Our wages are lower than they were 10 years ago! And all they want to do is spread propaganda all over the f*cking media about a man that's doing his best for the people, and all you lot want to do is back these pathetic shadey pricks that have none of you in mind while they're stalling over producing a piss poor manifesto, that benefits not one of us.
Destroyed the housing market ? Theyve built more homes in the last 5 years than labour did in there whole time in power ,help to buy more social housing come on ffs ,under labour it was boom and bust in the housing industry
I think too much importance is paid to what is printed in the press. I take no great notice of anything in any of the papers, they all have their own agenda. I prefer to listen to what people are saying, and interpret it myself rather than read a reporter's interpretation of something. Anyone who votes based on what they read in the press is only really listening to a small group of reporters who usually have strong view of their own. Whether their views are correct is up to you to prove one way or the other, or alternatively believe everything they say. Down to personal choice I suppose.
I totally agree with you,I would only add that as well as the printed press having their own agenda I would also include the Tv news networks Sky news and the BBC are good examples
Fri May 19, 2017 12:22 pm
wez1927 wrote:Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.
What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.
Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.
You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?
The majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as a form of far-right politics.[11] Far-right themes in Nazism include the argument that superior people have a right to dominate over other people and purge society of supposed inferior elements.[12] Adolf Hitler and other proponents officially portrayed Nazism as being neither left- nor right-wing, but syncretic.[13][14] Hitler in Mein Kampf directly attacked both left-wing and right-wing politics in Germany
Fri May 19, 2017 12:26 pm
CF14-SE14 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.
What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.
Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.
You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?
Re-writing history again
They were neither you moron, but don't let facts trip you upThe majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as a form of far-right politics.[11] Far-right themes in Nazism include the argument that superior people have a right to dominate over other people and purge society of supposed inferior elements.[12] Adolf Hitler and other proponents officially portrayed Nazism as being neither left- nor right-wing, but syncretic.[13][14] Hitler in Mein Kampf directly attacked both left-wing and right-wing politics in Germany
Fri May 19, 2017 12:28 pm
wez1927 wrote:Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.
What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.
Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.
You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?
Fri May 19, 2017 12:42 pm
alfie sherwood wrote:wez1927 wrote:Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.
What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.
Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.
You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?
That's quite a rewriting of history you've just made there.
The extreme right, ie: Nazis and fascists always believe in tight central (state) control and some populist policies such as full employment, provision of social housing, state ownership etc. However such populism, as in the case of Nazis and fascists, is offset by policies that are at the extreme end of the right wing spectrum. The Nazis for instance were deeply authoritarian and persecuted and ultimately murdered on a vast scale minorities such as the disabled, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. They also believed in one party dictatorships, huge military spending, expansionist foreign policies and extremely harsh punishments for law breakers.
To suggest they weren't right wing is patently ridiculous.
Fri May 19, 2017 12:43 pm
Fri May 19, 2017 12:45 pm
Merlin11 wrote:For Wez the uk polling report will give you up to date opinion polls. Labour have moved 32-33%.
Over the next five days their maybe more movement after a dreadful attack on working families and pensioners in the Tory manifesto. Thatcher2 now wants to take away school lunches funding more tax cuts for her rich buddies.
Fri May 19, 2017 12:47 pm
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Fri May 19, 2017 5:00 pm
Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.
What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.
Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.
Fri May 19, 2017 5:03 pm
wez1927 wrote:alfie sherwood wrote:wez1927 wrote:Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.
What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.
Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.
You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?
That's quite a rewriting of history you've just made there.
The extreme right, ie: Nazis and fascists always believe in tight central (state) control and some populist policies such as full employment, provision of social housing, state ownership etc. However such populism, as in the case of Nazis and fascists, is offset by policies that are at the extreme end of the right wing spectrum. The Nazis for instance were deeply authoritarian and persecuted and ultimately murdered on a vast scale minorities such as the disabled, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. They also believed in one party dictatorships, huge military spending, expansionist foreign policies and extremely harsh punishments for law breakers.
To suggest they weren't right wing is patently ridiculous.
They were centre with some left wing and some right wing policies,i see corbyn with his hatred of the Jews and his state owned philosophy as a left wing nazi
Sat May 20, 2017 12:57 am
alfie sherwood wrote:wez1927 wrote:Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.
What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.
Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.
You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?
That's quite a rewriting of history you've just made there.
The extreme right, ie: Nazis and fascists always believe in tight central (state) control and some populist policies such as full employment, provision of social housing, state ownership etc. However such populism, as in the case of Nazis and fascists, is offset by policies that are at the extreme end of the right wing spectrum. The Nazis for instance were deeply authoritarian and persecuted and ultimately murdered on a vast scale minorities such as the disabled, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. They also believed in one party dictatorships, huge military spending, expansionist foreign policies and extremely harsh punishments for law breakers.
To suggest they weren't right wing is patently ridiculous.
Sat May 20, 2017 12:59 am
dogfound wrote:alfie sherwood wrote:wez1927 wrote:Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.
What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.
Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.
You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?
That's quite a rewriting of history you've just made there.
The extreme right, ie: Nazis and fascists always believe in tight central (state) control and some populist policies such as full employment, provision of social housing, state ownership etc. However such populism, as in the case of Nazis and fascists, is offset by policies that are at the extreme end of the right wing spectrum. The Nazis for instance were deeply authoritarian and persecuted and ultimately murdered on a vast scale minorities such as the disabled, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. They also believed in one party dictatorships, huge military spending, expansionist foreign policies and extremely harsh punishments for law breakers.
To suggest they weren't right wing is patently ridiculous.
youve described both the nazi party under Hitler and many extreme left comunist regimes there.
Sat May 20, 2017 9:13 am
dogfound wrote:dogfound wrote:alfie sherwood wrote:wez1927 wrote:Zabier wrote:To be honest, I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't appear on the televised debate last night. I can kind of see the reasoning. It could have just been all parties ganging up on him now UKIP are irrelevant and no longer the punch bag. However, it was an opportunity for him to critically destroy all the Tory policies in an unedited scenario. It was a huge opportunity missed if you ask me.
What were your thoughts on the debate last night? It's a shame that Labour and Conservative weren't represented and quite sad really. Showing a lack of willingness to engage with modern forms of media is frustrating. The one big thing that Corbyn had on May was her reluctance to debate live yet he's now put himself in the same bracket. Little decisions like that won't do Labour any favours. They have a solid manifesto. Yes, the other parties might well have ganged up on Corbyn but he had solid policies to fall back on that most of the other parties would agree with.
Alfie, I'm always interested to hear your views on here on football-related topics. You've made a good point about the Scandinavian countries as well. Once again, facts not interpretations or propaganda. Many won't like to admit it but Britain has always generally been quite a right wing stance nation. Obviously not to the extreme of the Nazis but a lot of stuff we might deem radical and extreme left is actually considered fairly normal in a lot of countries that do well for themselves.
You do know that the nazi werent right wing ? They were socialists and have alot of policy similar to the left?
That's quite a rewriting of history you've just made there.
The extreme right, ie: Nazis and fascists always believe in tight central (state) control and some populist policies such as full employment, provision of social housing, state ownership etc. However such populism, as in the case of Nazis and fascists, is offset by policies that are at the extreme end of the right wing spectrum. The Nazis for instance were deeply authoritarian and persecuted and ultimately murdered on a vast scale minorities such as the disabled, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. They also believed in one party dictatorships, huge military spending, expansionist foreign policies and extremely harsh punishments for law breakers.
To suggest they weren't right wing is patently ridiculous.
youve described both the nazi party under Hitler and many extreme left comunist regimes there.
but cant see it.? or dont want to see it..?
much easier to say its patently rediculous than actually have a balanced take eh