' Poll ' Who you voting for in the General election?

This site has been infiltrated by MOMENTUM or its supporters. They have infested Social Media and News (and now sports) Forums like a festering plague. They will insult their opponents and shout you down. They want Tory's to vote UKIP and for the UKipppers not to vote Tory. They will spread the uncosted bribes and lies of Corbyn and his puppet masters. They are anti-British and apologists for UN recognised terrorist organisations. It is shameful that this country may actually make Marxist Corbyn our Prime Minister. Rant over.

agree and cant get my head around anyone let alone this many being prepared to overlook Corbyns record on terrorism.. or in fact Diane { every defeat of the british state is a victory for all of us } Abbotts racism towards { her own people ? }

Corbyn's record on terrorism? Like when he suggested talks with the IRA were the best option to achieve peace... which it turned out was true? He's never condoned acts of terrorism. He's always condemned the hurting of innocent individuals. He's simply spoken common sense but had his words manipulated by those that are afraid of him. Clearly another believer of the right wing propaganda.

How can you talk about Corbyn and the puppet masters? Like Theresa May and her puppet masters of Rupert Murdoch, Lord Rothermore, and David Barclay etc? These billionaires that live abroad, don't pay the tax they should, and are happy to see us all denied a better life so they can add even more to their wealth and power? Open your eyes mate.

This site has been infiltrated by MOMENTUM or its supporters. They have infested Social Media and News (and now sports) Forums like a festering plague. They will insult their opponents and shout you down. They want Tory's to vote UKIP and for the UKipppers not to vote Tory. They will spread the uncosted bribes and lies of Corbyn and his puppet masters. They are anti-British and apologists for UN recognised terrorist organisations. It is shameful that this country may actually make Marxist Corbyn our Prime Minister. Rant over.

agree and cant get my head around anyone let alone this many being prepared to overlook Corbyns record on terrorism.. or in fact Diane { every defeat of the british state is a victory for all of us } Abbotts racism towards { her own people ? }

Corbyn's record on terrorism? Like when he suggested talks with the IRA were the best option to achieve peace... which it turned out was true? He's never condoned acts of terrorism. He's always condemned the hurting of innocent individuals. He's simply spoken common sense but had his words manipulated by those that are afraid of him. Clearly another believer of the right wing propaganda.

How can you talk about Corbyn and the puppet masters? Like Theresa May and her puppet masters of Rupert Murdoch, Lord Rothermore, and David Barclay etc? These billionaires that live abroad, don't pay the tax they should, and are happy to see us all denied a better life so they can add even more to their wealth and power? Open your eyes mate.

Corbyn voted against numerous peace processes in parliament also aligned himself with thr ira not the sdlp these are facts you corbyn supporters trying to turn a blind eye too

What they are saying about Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott on Facebook

Tweedle dumb and tweedle dee Diane Abbott and Jeremy C



Terry Duggan How this numbnutted,racist,liberal lefty piece of shite as conned a living out of politics says just so much about what is wrong with Britain/Europe

Gar Streich hang her

Annis Abrahamii She should be locked and deported with all ISIS supporters


Terry Duggan Send all the sympathisers to Libya Somalia or any other Islamic country,on one way tickets


David Sullivan She's a danger to the country , her loyalties lye elsewhere , and as for her maths lol

This site has been infiltrated by MOMENTUM or its supporters. They have infested Social Media and News (and now sports) Forums like a festering plague. They will insult their opponents and shout you down. They want Tory's to vote UKIP and for the UKipppers not to vote Tory. They will spread the uncosted bribes and lies of Corbyn and his puppet masters. They are anti-British and apologists for UN recognised terrorist organisations. It is shameful that this country may actually make Marxist Corbyn our Prime Minister. Rant over.

agree and cant get my head around anyone let alone this many being prepared to overlook Corbyns record on terrorism.. or in fact Diane { every defeat of the british state is a victory for all of us } Abbotts racism towards { her own people ? }

Corbyn's record on terrorism? Like when he suggested talks with the IRA were the best option to achieve peace... which it turned out was true? He's never condoned acts of terrorism. He's always condemned the hurting of innocent individuals. He's simply spoken common sense but had his words manipulated by those that are afraid of him. Clearly another believer of the right wing propaganda.

How can you talk about Corbyn and the puppet masters? Like Theresa May and her puppet masters of Rupert Murdoch, Lord Rothermore, and David Barclay etc? These billionaires that live abroad, don't pay the tax they should, and are happy to see us all denied a better life so they can add even more to their wealth and power? Open your eyes mate.[/qu


30 years of voting against anti terrorism bills.
got a feeling you know that.

ZABIER......You seem to be a reasonable chap whose views (as you know) I fundamentally disagree with and you really are a Bluebird, which is great. But MOMENTUM, the Hard Left and their apologists are an anathema to me. I will try and support my case by just naming names. Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott, John McDonnell, Len McCluskey, Jon Lansman, Matt Wrack, Mick Cash, Seamus Milne, Andrew Murray, Shami Chakrabarti, to name but a few. These people are the enemy of Centrist politics, British Patriots and Unionists and have been an enemy of mine for many years. Trust me, its nothing to do with Right Wing propaganda, its much more personal than that.

Jeremy Corbyn in car-crash interview over childcare pledge


Telegraph

Tuesday 30th May 2017



Jeremy Corbyn was unable to say how much his key childcare pledge would cost, in a radio appearance in which he was launching the policy.

In an interview with BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour the Labour leader was asked what funding would be needed to provide free childcare to all two to four-year-olds - a policy announced by his party on the same morning.

Hesitating, Mr Corbyn said: "Erm, it will cost erm. It will obviously cost a lot to do so, we accept that."

Emma Barnett the presenter, replied: "I presume you have the figures?"

Mr Corbyn said: "Yes, I do. We'll - it does cost a lot to do it. The point I'm trying to make is that we'll make it universal so that we are in a position to make sure that every child gets it and those that can at the moment get free places will continue to get them, those that have to pay won't and we'll collect the money through taxation, mainly through corporate taxation."

Pressed on how much the policy would cost, Mr Corbyn logged into his iPad and asked: "Can I give you the exact figure in a moment please?"

The interview had echoes of an exchange on LBC earlier in the campaign in which Diane Abbott, the shadow home secretary, struggled to explain how Labour would fund its policy to recruit more police officers.

Mr Corbyn denied that his inability to provide the figures showed that Labour cannot be "trusted" with money, saying: "Not at all. All of our manifesto is fully costed and examined."

Barnett said: "My point is, this is quite troubling. This is a policy you're launching today, Mr Corbyn, and you don't know how much it's going to cost. It hardly inspires the voters."

She later read out figures provided by Angela Rayner, Mr Corbyn's shadow education secretary, earlier in the day: Ms Rayner had said that £4.8 billion per year to fund the subsidy would come from tax increases while a further £2.7 bn of "capital spending" over the next parliament would be spent on creating more childcare places and training staff.

Later in the same interview Mr Corbyn appeared unsure whether he remained a vice president of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND).

Barnett said he was still listed on the CND's website as holding the role.

But Mr Corbyn said "I don't think I am the vice president of the CND."

The full exchange

Emma Barnett: How much will it cost to provide unmeans-tested childcare for 1.3 million chidlren?

Jeremy Corbyn: Erm, it will cost, erm. It will obviously cost a lot to do so, we accept that.

Regarding this childcare scheme : it amazes me how we are prepared to give big corporations £70bn odd in exchange for zero hour contracts and low wages. Yet the media scoffs at spending £4bn a year providing free healthcare that will help millions across the UK. Looking at the bigger picture, these parents would then have the time to work which means more money being pumped into the economy

Regarding this childcare scheme : it amazes me how we are prepared to give big corporations £70bn odd in exchange for zero hour contracts and low wages. Yet the media scoffs at spending £4bn a year providing free healthcare that will help millions across the UK. Looking at the bigger picture, these parents would then have the time to work which means more money being pumped into the economy

the big picture is along with the winter fuel allowance the wealthier just dont need it.

Regarding this childcare scheme : it amazes me how we are prepared to give big corporations £70bn odd in exchange for zero hour contracts and low wages. Yet the media scoffs at spending £4bn a year providing free healthcare that will help millions across the UK. Looking at the bigger picture, these parents would then have the time to work which means more money being pumped into the economy

Who have we given 70bBn to

Some interesting facts on Labour-
Courtesy of IG
as bad as the Tories or worse?

1) Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Goverment. (Research by Sir Brian Jarman of Imperial College).
2) Hundreds of stealth taxes, paid by all.
3) Between 1997 to 2010 gas prices rose 133% and electricity prices rose 69%. Why would the public ever trust Labour on energy prices again?.
4) The devastating impact of Labour's raid on pensions: The tax grab has cost workers £118bn no since 1997. (Office for Budget Responsibility).
5) Labour spent £148.7 million on a National Measurements Office which forces traders to measure their goods in kilograms rather than pounds.
6) The Royal Mail is now sold because of EU Postal Directive 2008/6/EC, brought in by the last Labour government.
7) Council Tax doubled under Labour - 105% increase in England, 146% Wales. (The Chartered Institute of Public Finance & Accountancy: 26/03/09).
8) In 2012/13 Labour councils employed nearly 23,000 people on zero-hour contracts.
9) £660 million has been cut from Labour run NHS Wales over the last three years according to the Welsh TUC.
10) When Labour came to power in 1997, spending on NHS managers was less than £190m. By 2010 this had increased by 450% to over £1bn per year.
11) Labour wasted £11bn of taxpayers money on a failed IT project which was eventually scrapped by the NHS in 2013.
12) Labour lumbered the NHS with vast PFI repayments - £50 billion worth of loans which are costing £300 billion in repayments.
13) It was the Labour Party who awarded the DWP Medical Services Contract to ATOS on the 15th March 2005.
14) Labour started the privatisation of the NHS. They brought in the 2006 NHS Act that introduced competition into the NHS.
15) Labour introduced competition into the NHS: Competition Act 1998, Enterprise Act 2002 & Public Sector Procurement Regulations 2006.
16) In 2006 Gordon Brown cut the flood defence budget by £14 million.
17) Youth unemployment rose by more than 40% during Labour's 13 years in office.
18) Total stock of social housing fell under Labour - 421,000 homes were lost from the social housing stock between 1997 and 2010.
19) British manufacturing grew by 28% between 1980 and 1997. Then, under Labour, it shrank by 6%: falling from 20% of GDP to just 11%.
20) Labour left a deficit of £156 billion, PFI liability of £301 billion, EU Rebate loss £9.3 billion, Sold the Gold loss £6 billion.
21) The last Labour government spent so much money on Labour cronies that it had a 5% structural deficit at the height of the boom.
22)
The use of food banks went up tenfold under Labour. From 3,000 users in 2005/06 to over 40,000 by 2009/10. (The Trussell Trust/C4 FactCheck).
23) When Labour's Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in 2007, UK public debt was 44.1% of GDP. When he left in 2010, it was 148.1%.
24) Only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010 under Labour, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone - Thatcher's final year as PM.
25) Tony Blair gave away a chunk of the UK's EU rebate estimated now to have cost the UK £9.3 billion between 2007-2013.
26) In 2010 Gordon Brown branded Rochdale voter Gillian Duffy "a bigoted woman" for daring to voice her concern about uncontrolled immigration.
27) Labour are now complaining about gambling. But they were the ones who wanted to build Super Casinos in some of the poorest areas in Britain.
28) Labour closed more mines in 5 years than Thatcher did in 11 years.. 211 mines closed under Wilson 1965-70.. 154 under Thatcher 1979-90.
29) Under Labour zero hour contracts increased by 74% between 2004 - 2009.
30) Since Labour liberalised the law in 2000 to allow postal voting on demand, the number of postal voting fraud in Labour areas has soared.
31) Labour wants to charge patients. Lord Warner said people should pay a £10-a-month fee to use NHS/£20 for every night they stay in hospital.
32) Sexed up dossiers.
33) Labour were responsible for the rise in payday lenders. Now they are campaigning against them.
34) Labour presided over the slowest growth in 50 years and produced the fastest decline in British manufacturing since manufacturing began.
35) Labour destroyed our border controls then with the help of the BBC denounced anybody who voiced concerns about mass immigration as racists.
36) Labour councils are the biggest users of zero hour contracts.
37) Under Labour between 1997 to 2010 the gap between rich and poor got wider.
38) The last Labour government doubled the rate of income tax on the lowest paid.
39) Thousands of dead Iraqi women and children.
40) Labour MPs to remember: Denis MacShane (jailed), David Chaytor (jailed), Eric Illsley (jailed), Elliot Morley (jailed), Jim Devine (jailed).
41) Blair invaded Iraq and Brown invaded the Treasury, both actions crippled us.
42) Labour opposes democracy in Britain by denying the British people a referendum

Wez, you realise the vast majority of those comments came under previous Labour governments... the very individuals that formed that government have by and large tried to oppose Corbyn over the years. This Labour cannot even compare to the previous Labour government. I even see the odd bizarre "fact" that Labour councils are the largest users of zero hour contracts? Is that the state of the Tory defence? It's even criticising its own policies!

That's the frustrating thing about this election. Every negative thrown at Corbyn and Labour is about the past. Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA, Corbyn's comments in the 1980s about war, Labour's previous governments etc. On that basis, shall we bring Thatcher into it and mention about what she did? No. Let's focus on the here and now. Let's focus on what THIS Tory government has done for seven years, continues to do now, and plans to do after this election. Let's focus on what Labour plans to do if it is voted in. This is 2017.

Ah yeah but Tory are scum!!! Apparently

Wez, you realise the vast majority of those comments came under previous Labour governments... the very individuals that formed that government have by and large tried to oppose Corbyn over the years. This Labour cannot even compare to the previous Labour government. I even see the odd bizarre "fact" that Labour councils are the largest users of zero hour contracts? Is that the state of the Tory defence? It's even criticising its own policies!

That's the frustrating thing about this election. Every negative thrown at Corbyn and Labour is about the past. Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA, Corbyn's comments in the 1980s about war, Labour's previous governments etc. On that basis, shall we bring Thatcher into it and mention about what she did? No. Let's focus on the here and now. Let's focus on what THIS Tory government has done for seven years, continues to do now, and plans to do after this election. Let's focus on what Labour plans to do if it is voted in. This is 2017.

History teaches us that labour will say something and do another sorry but they cant be trusted ,corbyn will take the country to a communist hell hole

I'm glad you have a crystal ball. I'm commenting on what the Tory government is doing and continues to do. You're commenting on what might happen in a biased worst case scenario with Labour. The Labour policies aren't very communist. I think everyone knows communism is all but extinct in this modern age. If you're against a more equal society though then just come out and say it. Say that you think the rich should continue to get richer and the rest of us should continue to feed off the scraps. I'm fortunate enough to say I'm currently doing OK for myself. Not brilliantly but earning enough and working hard enough to get by. However, I know many are not as fortunate and I might not always be this fortunate.

As I have said before, why the hatred towards a party that simply wants to make things fairer? Are you earning £80k+ a year, Wez? If not, then you're willing to put petty differences of personality ahead of genuinely fair policies? As I discussed with Steve Zodiak, I want to understand your stance. I've just mainly seen provocative comments from yourself about Corbyn so far. It's got to be deeper though. OK, hating Corbyn, that's fine. He's not everyone's cup of tea. I don't think he's perfect. He has weaknesses for sure. However, why Tories over any other party? I'm interested to know. What will the Tories do for you that makes you want to vote for them?

Also, on a different note. We have a few migrants on here that have moved abroad to live. A fair few of you are openly backing a party that is saying "no deal" is better than a "bad deal", threatening the possibility of war with the nation you're living in, and has been at logger heads with the EU representatives over Brexit. Are you not even slightly concerned this government is going to royally f**k things up for you? I'm also interested to know if any of you voted leave the EU then why did you do that when you're living outside of Britain? Let's have some honest answers here.

I'm glad you have a crystal ball. I'm commenting on what the Tory government is doing and continues to do. You're commenting on what might happen in a biased worst case scenario with Labour. The Labour policies aren't very communist. I think everyone knows communism is all but extinct in this modern age. If you're against a more equal society though then just come out and say it. Say that you think the rich should continue to get richer and the rest of us should continue to feed off the scraps. I'm fortunate enough to say I'm currently doing OK for myself. Not brilliantly but earning enough and working hard enough to get by. However, I know many are not as fortunate and I might not always be this fortunate.

As I have said before, why the hatred towards a party that simply wants to make things fairer? Are you earning £80k+ a year, Wez? If not, then you're willing to put petty differences of personality ahead of genuinely fair policies? As I discussed with Steve Zodiak, I want to understand your stance. I've just mainly seen provocative comments from yourself about Corbyn so far. It's got to be deeper though. OK, hating Corbyn, that's fine. He's not everyone's cup of tea. I don't think he's perfect. He has weaknesses for sure. However, why Tories over any other party? I'm interested to know. What will the Tories do for you that makes you want to vote for them?

Also, on a different note. We have a few migrants on here that have moved abroad to live. A fair few of you are openly backing a party that is saying "no deal" is better than a "bad deal", threatening the possibility of war with the nation you're living in, and has been at logger heads with the EU representatives over Brexit. Are you not even slightly concerned this government is going to royally f**k things up for you? I'm also interested to know if any of you voted leave the EU then why did you do that when you're living outside of Britain? Let's have some honest answers here.

You keep quoting this 80k but most small business owners are ltd so will pay tge 6% rise in corperation tax also the 10ph mim wage would add another 16k a year to my wage bill which would mean i would have to take at least another 30 k just to stay even so prices would have to rise which doesnt always raise rhe money requried as people may just stop buying products labour will hit the working man like me

It seems the Labour supporters have joined all the fake news that proliferates messageboards, Twitter and Facebook.

The Conservative supporters were quick off the mark with their biased reporting of, at best, half truths and now Labour have cottoned on and joined in the game.

What a waste of f*cking time it all is in the end with both party supporters using the same tactics.

It is interesting that when you search Google to corroborate any photos or facts posted on here you get search results that show the SAME posts on other footy websites as well.

Someone is really making an effort to persuade the online population and they don't care if they use the truth, half truths or downright fake news.

I have always voted but must admit that the tactics on show this time by amateur lobbyists has really left a bad taste in my mouth.

Look out Plaid, Libs or Greens you may get my vote this time. Wasted but doesn't leave me feeling dirty.

Regarding this childcare scheme : it amazes me how we are prepared to give big corporations £70bn odd in exchange for zero hour contracts and low wages. Yet the media scoffs at spending £4bn a year providing free healthcare that will help millions across the UK. Looking at the bigger picture, these parents would then have the time to work which means more money being pumped into the economy

the big picture is along with the winter fuel allowance the wealthier just dont need it.

And what about the not so wealthy? The Tories will take away fuel allowances from all pensioners not in receipt of Pension Credit, no matter what smoke screen they are hiding behind now. So Pensioners with an income of less than £160pw will lose £250-400 in winter fuel allowances.

The deaths that will result from that will be a scandal but of course from the Nasty Party's point of view it is extra savings on Pension payments

You keep quoting this 80k but most small business owners are ltd so will pay tge 6% rise in corperation tax also the 10ph mim wage would add another 16k a year to my wage bill which would mean i would have to take at least another 30 k just to stay even so prices would have to rise which doesnt always raise rhe money requried as people may just stop buying products labour will hit the working man like me

Have you ever considered using any punctuation? On a serious note, in recent years, the tax has come down but look as high as it was in 2000, or before that. Also, the Tories have pledged to raise the minimum wage to £8.75 per hour, so you can shave off a decent chunk of that £16k presumably. The living wage, which people on this messageboard have advocated paying, should be the minimum in my opinion.

https://www.figurewizard.com/list-uk-co ... rates.html

You keep quoting this 80k but most small business owners are ltd so will pay tge 6% rise in corperation tax also the 10ph mim wage would add another 16k a year to my wage bill which would mean i would have to take at least another 30 k just to stay even so prices would have to rise which doesnt always raise rhe money requried as people may just stop buying products labour will hit the working man like me

And after all that would you earn more than £10ph? I would think so otherwise you won't be in business to begin with. What Labour is asking is those with the broadest shoulders to pay more as it has been those at the bottom who have paid most over the past 7 years with Tax Credit/Housing Benefit cuts plus small wage rises of 1% or nothing at all.

Stop whinging and start paying your fair share.

You keep quoting this 80k but most small business owners are ltd so will pay tge 6% rise in corperation tax also the 10ph mim wage would add another 16k a year to my wage bill which would mean i would have to take at least another 30 k just to stay even so prices would have to rise which doesnt always raise rhe money requried as people may just stop buying products labour will hit the working man like me

And after all that would you earn more than £10ph? I would think so otherwise you won't be in business to begin with. What Labour is asking is those with the broadest shoulders to pay more as it has been those at the bottom who have paid most over the past 7 years with Tax Credit/Housing Benefit cuts plus small wage rises of 1% or nothing at all.

Stop whinging and start paying your fair share.

Ive paid my fair share you f*cking tw*t, if labour get in im in serious trouble of losing my f*cking business ,which means my staff will lose there jobs too and this will be repilcated all around britain but hay ho we will be ok labour will print more money ffs

I'm glad you have a crystal ball. I'm commenting on what the Tory government is doing and continues to do. You're commenting on what might happen in a biased worst case scenario with Labour. The Labour policies aren't very communist. I think everyone knows communism is all but extinct in this modern age. If you're against a more equal society though then just come out and say it. Say that you think the rich should continue to get richer and the rest of us should continue to feed off the scraps. I'm fortunate enough to say I'm currently doing OK for myself. Not brilliantly but earning enough and working hard enough to get by. However, I know many are not as fortunate and I might not always be this fortunate.

As I have said before, why the hatred towards a party that simply wants to make things fairer? Are you earning £80k+ a year, Wez? If not, then you're willing to put petty differences of personality ahead of genuinely fair policies? As I discussed with Steve Zodiak, I want to understand your stance. I've just mainly seen provocative comments from yourself about Corbyn so far. It's got to be deeper though. OK, hating Corbyn, that's fine. He's not everyone's cup of tea. I don't think he's perfect. He has weaknesses for sure. However, why Tories over any other party? I'm interested to know. What will the Tories do for you that makes you want to vote for them?

Also, on a different note. We have a few migrants on here that have moved abroad to live. A fair few of you are openly backing a party that is saying "no deal" is better than a "bad deal", threatening the possibility of war with the nation you're living in, and has been at logger heads with the EU representatives over Brexit. Are you not even slightly concerned this government is going to royally f**k things up for you? I'm also interested to know if any of you voted leave the EU then why did you do that when you're living outside of Britain? Let's have some honest answers here.

You keep quoting this 80k but most small business owners are ltd so will pay tge 6% rise in corperation tax also the 10ph mim wage would add another 16k a year to my wage bill which would mean i would have to take at least another 30 k just to stay even so prices would have to rise which doesnt always raise rhe money requried as people may just stop buying products labour will hit the working man like me

Thanks for explaining your personal circumstances, Wez. I can understand your view more now. How come you've resorted to repeatedly focusing on slating Corbyn et al? I know I'd have listened to your view more if you were this brutally honest from the start. Obviously, you're not under any obligation to explain anything to anyone but I think what you say here strikes much more of a personal chord. I think you'd get more understanding and empathy with your views if you explain it in this way more.

Granted, your views still don't change my opinion that the Tories are bad for the majority but at least you've added some depth to your argument. I respect that.

I would like to be have a strong NHS to treat me me in my old age and to look after my family should the need arise.
I also like the idea of the railways being nationalised and the profits going into the state and not to the few.
My children are about to go to University so it would be quite nice for them not to start out in life with a £30,000 debt.
It would be nice if there were more police on the streets to keep us a little safer.
I would like to think as a Country we would offer care to our sick and vulnerable and a place to live.
Having a minimum wage that would allow people to support themselves and live a reasonable life and not get exploited by the few seems like a good idea to me.
Not selling arms to a Country who seems to be behind most terrorist attacks and terrorist organisations seems a sensible plan.
Wanting to broker peace through negotiation rather than retaliation would be more sensible tactic than bombing countries and making tomorrows terrorists.
Running to kiss the ring of one of the most unstable leaders of the West when he was elected didnt make me feel proud.

I dont see how the average football fan can look at the policies of the Tories and think that they are the party that best protects them or represents their ideals. Thats why I will be voting Labour.

This may be my first post but certainly not my first visit to the forum. I have been a silent observer and City fan for 20 years. Just surprised and disappointed by some of the narrow minded opinions on this post.

Nobody on here who has just joined the forum to post political bias can be considered as either genuine or even a true Bluebird. Your post stinks of MOMENTUM who offer nothing other than hard left delusional BS. MOMENTUM have infested Social Media and News Forum sites like a festering plague. They will spew rhetoric, anti tory bile, lies , exaggerations and insults and will try to shout down any opposition. Corbyn and his cronies are dinosaur Marxists and terrorist sympathisers and apologists. I would recommend the Morning Star or maybe the Guardian is more appropriate for you and "YOUR NARROW MINDED OPINIONS"

Wow. Do you work for the police? You are so intuitive.
Just for the record I live in Llanishen and have been going to watch City play for the last 20 years, most of the time as a season ticket holder with my two sons. I have nothing to do with momentum and I am not a Corbynist. However I am Welsh and can remember when we had strong industries such as coal mining. I have lived through an era of Tory rule when they had a mandate to rule the country almost unchecked and guess what, Wales and the industries in Wales got screwed by the Tories. Unless you are one of the 1 % elite then I dont really understand why you would vote Tory. If you had any pride in your Welsh heritage then your politics would be left of center. Maybe your not Welsh. JUDGING YOUR NARROW MINDED OPINIONS I SUGGEST YOU GO BACK TO READING THE DAILY MAIL or whatever Tory rag you get your fiction from.

I'm glad you have a crystal ball. I'm commenting on what the Tory government is doing and continues to do. You're commenting on what might happen in a biased worst case scenario with Labour. The Labour policies aren't very communist. I think everyone knows communism is all but extinct in this modern age. If you're against a more equal society though then just come out and say it. Say that you think the rich should continue to get richer and the rest of us should continue to feed off the scraps. I'm fortunate enough to say I'm currently doing OK for myself. Not brilliantly but earning enough and working hard enough to get by. However, I know many are not as fortunate and I might not always be this fortunate.

As I have said before, why the hatred towards a party that simply wants to make things fairer? Are you earning £80k+ a year, Wez? If not, then you're willing to put petty differences of personality ahead of genuinely fair policies? As I discussed with Steve Zodiak, I want to understand your stance. I've just mainly seen provocative comments from yourself about Corbyn so far. It's got to be deeper though. OK, hating Corbyn, that's fine. He's not everyone's cup of tea. I don't think he's perfect. He has weaknesses for sure. However, why Tories over any other party? I'm interested to know. What will the Tories do for you that makes you want to vote for them?

Also, on a different note. We have a few migrants on here that have moved abroad to live. A fair few of you are openly backing a party that is saying "no deal" is better than a "bad deal", threatening the possibility of war with the nation you're living in, and has been at logger heads with the EU representatives over Brexit. Are you not even slightly concerned this government is going to royally f**k things up for you? I'm also interested to know if any of you voted leave the EU then why did you do that when you're living outside of Britain? Let's have some honest answers here.

You keep quoting this 80k but most small business owners are ltd so will pay tge 6% rise in corperation tax also the 10ph mim wage would add another 16k a year to my wage bill which would mean i would have to take at least another 30 k just to stay even so prices would have to rise which doesnt always raise rhe money requried as people may just stop buying products labour will hit the working man like me

Thanks for explaining your personal circumstances, Wez. I can understand your view more now. How come you've resorted to repeatedly focusing on slating Corbyn et al? I know I'd have listened to your view more if you were this brutally honest from the start. Obviously, you're not under any obligation to explain anything to anyone but I think what you say here strikes much more of a personal chord. I think you'd get more understanding and empathy with your views if you explain it in this way more.

Granted, your views still don't change my opinion that the Tories are bad for the majority but at least you've added some depth to your argument. I respect that.

I have mentioned my personal views on it on different threads but its just not this above ,i dont like his ira links and other terroist links and to say the falklands war was Nothing more than flag waving nonsense was disgusting

Wez, you realise the vast majority of those comments came under previous Labour governments... the very individuals that formed that government have by and large tried to oppose Corbyn over the years. This Labour cannot even compare to the previous Labour government. I even see the odd bizarre "fact" that Labour councils are the largest users of zero hour contracts? Is that the state of the Tory defence? It's even criticising its own policies!

That's the frustrating thing about this election. Every negative thrown at Corbyn and Labour is about the past. Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA, Corbyn's comments in the 1980s about war, Labour's previous governments etc. On that basis, shall we bring Thatcher into it and mention about what she did? No. Let's focus on the here and now. Let's focus on what THIS Tory government has done for seven years, continues to do now, and plans to do after this election. Let's focus on what Labour plans to do if it is voted in. This is 2017.

History teaches us that labour will say something and do another sorry but they cant be trusted ,corbyn will take the country to a communist hell hole

And the Tories are amazing at carrying out promises
They've promised to cut immigration to the tens of thousands 3 times and it's gone up not down
Let's face it none of them have a scoobie, but personally I'd rather a Labour government with it's heart in the right place, even if some of their heads are not (Abbott), than a snide and dangerous Tory government who will sell anything the country owns of value to a mixture of their friends and foreign governments and who's health minister (Hunt) has written and spoken about how he wants to privatise the NHS.

Wez, you realise the vast majority of those comments came under previous Labour governments... the very individuals that formed that government have by and large tried to oppose Corbyn over the years. This Labour cannot even compare to the previous Labour government. I even see the odd bizarre "fact" that Labour councils are the largest users of zero hour contracts? Is that the state of the Tory defence? It's even criticising its own policies!

That's the frustrating thing about this election. Every negative thrown at Corbyn and Labour is about the past. Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA, Corbyn's comments in the 1980s about war, Labour's previous governments etc. On that basis, shall we bring Thatcher into it and mention about what she did? No. Let's focus on the here and now. Let's focus on what THIS Tory government has done for seven years, continues to do now, and plans to do after this election. Let's focus on what Labour plans to do if it is voted in. This is 2017.

History teaches us that labour will say something and do another sorry but they cant be trusted ,corbyn will take the country to a communist hell hole

And the Tories are amazing at carrying out promises
They've promised to cut immigration to the tens of thousands 3 times and it's gone up not down
Let's face it none of them have a scoobie, but personally I'd rather a Labour government with it's heart in the right place, even if some of their heads are not (Abbott), than a snide and dangerous Tory government who will sell anything the country owns of value to a mixture of their friends and foreign governments and who's health minister (Hunt) has written and spoken about how he wants to privatise the NHS.

One thing is certain, if Labour get in everyone will be paying more tax, not just the rich. Even with all of us seeing more stoppages on our pay slips, they will still have nowhere near enough money to pay for all the things they put on their xmas wish list.

Well JC must be doing something right as the latest YouGov poll has the tory lead down to just 3%. The sample size was over 53,000.

Squeaky bum time at Conservative Head Office after reading that I bet.

Well JC must be doing something right as the latest YouGov poll has the tory lead down to just 3%. The sample size was over 53,000.

Squeaky bum time at Conservative Head Office after reading that I bet.

And even the Labour party themselves are paying no attention to that poll because of the error margins involved. Another poll shows them 10 points ahead. I know one thing for certain, I have never been contacted for an opinion, and as far as I am aware nobody else I know has either.

This is my last post on the subject. I have given up being diplomatic and reasoned. So lets go as low as all the left wingers of Labour on here (and those pretending to be Bluebirds) and the rest of social media. If you vote for Corbyn then you are a terrorist apologist at best who has anti British values and all that those values stand for including our Armed Forces, NATO, the Commonwealth, centrist and fair politics that inspire growth and a strong economy. You are anti Israel (and might be anti Semitic) and pro Hamas and Hezbollah. You support the Bullets and Ballots campaign of the IRA and Sinn Fein. You are party to the car crash economics of Marx and are complicit to the lies and spins of Momentum and the Nationalists. Your politics are a anathema to me and I can no longer listen to or read your crap. Centrists, Unionists, Royalists and Patriots must fight back in anyway we can. We must not let Corbyn defeat us. NO REPLIES WILL BE READ. Goodbye.

This is my last post on the subject. I have given up being diplomatic and reasoned. So lets go as low as all the left wingers of Labour on here (and those pretending to be Bluebirds) and the rest of social media. If you vote for Corbyn then you are a terrorist apologist at best who has anti British values and all that those values stand for including our Armed Forces, NATO, the Commonwealth, centrist and fair politics that inspire growth and a strong economy. You are anti Israel (and might be anti Semitic) and pro Hamas and Hezbollah. You support the Bullets and Ballots campaign of the IRA and Sinn Fein. You are party to the car crash economics of Marx and are complicit to the lies and spins of Momentum and the Nationalists. Your politics are a anathema to me and I can no longer listen to or read your crap. Centrists, Unionists, Royalists and Patriots must fight back in anyway we can. We must not let Corbyn defeat us. NO REPLIES WILL BE READ. Goodbye.

Nice tantrum.

Idiotic and garbled - but nice!

You keep quoting this 80k but most small business owners are ltd so will pay tge 6% rise in corperation tax also the 10ph mim wage would add another 16k a year to my wage bill which would mean i would have to take at least another 30 k just to stay even so prices would have to rise which doesnt always raise rhe money requried as people may just stop buying products labour will hit the working man like me

My maths might be wrong here but from my calculations last year you made £233,333.00 profit (6% of this figure is £14,000) this would be reduced to £219,333.00. given a 6% rise in corporation tax.

Maybe we can set up crowd sourcing collection for you to help you through the hard times?