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THIS SUMS UP JEREMY CORBYN

Sun May 14, 2017 5:09 pm

Dennis Skinner on Jeremy Corbyn:
"I don't think Corbyn's the best leader ever. I appreciate that he's not the best at appealing to a lot of demographics. he's crap with soundbites; not good at speaking straight to camera. Better in real situations with real people. I appreciate that he's not got a great deal of, what would you call it, zing. I don't agree with him on everything by any means.
Still, you know something I know? If Labour lose the election, Jeremy Corbyn will probably go back to being a local MP. He'll carry on holding speakers up for people at meetings, and helping people with their chairs, and thanking people for making the sandwiches. He'll carry on having talks and doing constituency surgeries and attending debates and asking questions and campaigning on various issues and staying behind to carry on talking about stuff with ordinary people after the event's finished. If he weren't the leader now, he'd be campaigning on behalf of the party. He'd be standing at the back helping.
He's not going to swan off to a career of after-dinner speaking and corporate events and non-executive directorships and consultancies. He's not going to edit the Evening Standard. It's not his personal ambition that's brought him here.
he wasn't ever that keen on being a leader. The only reason he stood when he did was that, to paraphrase another Labour front-bencher, every other remaining left-wing MP in the party had already stood as the token socialist candidate in a previous leadership election, and it was basically his turn.
And here's the thing: his apparent lack of charisma notwithstanding (and what is this charisma that apparently Tim Farron and Theresa May possess? It's like nothing I've ever seen described using that term before), he's the exact opposite of what everyone seems to agree they're sick of in politicians. The meaningless soundbites and stock phrases and glib dog-whistle oversimplifications don't sit naturally with him. He's better at sitting down calmly and talking about things like a grown-up. He's visibly irritated when interviewers push him to answer stupid, meaningless or leading questions, and, to me, that irritation seems remarkably restrained considering that I'd probably be unable to put up with such bollocks without flying into an expletive-laden rant. He reminds me of a Scandinavian politician, and that's nothing but a compliment. Politicians aren't supposed to be evangelists or salespeople; they're supposed to be people of substance, not just a mass of superficially appealing tics, right? Right?
In short, he's a real human person, like you get in real life, not whatever kind of thing most politicians are where you just cannot imagine them existing in any normal situation alongside real people without getting punched in the face. I've seen people like him, working in various capacities, usually doing something socially responsible, sometimes voluntary. They help. They support. They sympathise. They don't usually get to the top of organisations because they're not naturally competitive. And here he is, in a position he probably never expected to be in, and his expression is, for me, the right one: he's grim; a touch uncertain; perhaps somewhat daunted. Quite right too. Anyone who's not daunted by the prospect of being Prime Minister shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the job. I want whoever leads the country to feel the responsibility as keenly as possible. The Prime Minister is the servant of millions of masters, not the master of millions of servants, as Theresa May seems to think she is. It's a horrible job, but if nobody else is going to do it, he'll have to. Because someone's got to. You can't just stand there and do nothing. You have to try to help; to do what you can. That's what he's like. And if the election's lost as the last two were, he'll go back to helping in whatever other ways are available. And if he loses his seat (which he won't), he'll go and try to help somewhere else.
The fact that this man is considered unelectable when the alternatives are as they are is itself an indictment of our society. The UK needs to be careful who they shake hands with."

Re: THIS SUMS UP JEREMY CORBYN

Sun May 14, 2017 5:56 pm

A post that sums up my feelings toward the man.

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Sun May 14, 2017 6:14 pm

Dennis is a God. Thank goodness there are people like him and Corbyn still about.

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Sun May 14, 2017 7:49 pm

That's a hell of a long 'summing up'.
True though.

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Sun May 14, 2017 7:59 pm

Brilliant. The truth often is.

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Mon May 15, 2017 1:27 pm

he is never going to be offered to be the editor of anything.
or be asked to make lucrative after dinner speaches.
or in fact be offered a directorship.
he will go back to being a full time demonstrator often for causes 95% of people find vile and repulsive.

loads of whitewash by Skinner very little balance.
but for some truth aint important as long as your the labour candidate

Re: THIS SUMS UP JEREMY CORBYN

Mon May 15, 2017 11:48 pm

there was a bit in todays independant that said labours actual policies were the most popular amongst voters-nationalising of railways,higher tax for richest ,big investment for nhs education housebuilding,min wage £10 etc....unfortunately the election will be won on personalities and spin & corbyn doesnt have it.

Re: THIS SUMS UP JEREMY CORBYN

Tue May 16, 2017 8:28 am

neathbluebird wrote:there was a bit in todays independant that said labours actual policies were the most popular amongst voters-nationalising of railways,higher tax for richest ,big investment for nhs education housebuilding,min wage £10 etc....unfortunately the election will be won on personalities and spin & corbyn doesnt have it.



lets be honest he is up against TM who herself isnt exactly a cross between Princess Diana and Cilla Black.she is just way more stable.
as for spin ,well they tried but you cant spin a bloke that set out a bunch of principles/views 40 years ago and refuses point blank to budge one inch on any of them.{which is something i think all normal people do }.
who else would get a divorce and move out of the family house because they had mouthed off about comprehensive schools and now found themselves in a spot. your childs education and remain with your family or your own over important view of your self.
jeremys {integrity } :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: always wins over reason.because jeremy is always always right.he was right about everything 40 years ago still is now.if we all had jeremys standards there would be no elections. you make your mind up at 18 and thats it forever.

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Tue May 16, 2017 9:01 am

I remember the 1983 Election where the Tories had a field day with Michael Foot. Ever since they have employed the same tactic of painting all following Labour leaders as a clones of Chairman Mao.

Time and again they get away with it because the public love having their finger pointing moment. Corbyn is a good man if not a natural leader. His heart is in the right place and he genuinely wants to help those at the bottom of society better their lives which is in comparison with Theresa May who simply infers she wants to help but with no real desire to follow it through.

You can't trust the Tories they are all smoke and mirrors. Recently they came out with the idea of excluding students from the immigration figures so that they can claim to have lowered the numbers :roll: . That is so typical of them they don't actually deal with the problem they find ways of manipulating the figures so they can claim they have 'fixed' the problem and time and again a large percentage of the gullible public believe them.

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Tue May 16, 2017 9:13 am

Very good post, I always liked Corbyn but thought he was an awful choice for Labour as a leader. But the more I see Theresa May, the more I think how can Corbyn be seen as a terrible leader compared to that.
He's grown on me a lot as a leader and compared to the Tories, his policies are a breath of fresh air and the change we actual need after decades of neo liberalism that have done nothing to help the poorest in our society.

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Tue May 16, 2017 9:30 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:I remember the 1983 Election where the Tories had a field day with Michael Foot. Ever since they have employed the same tactic of painting all following Labour leaders as a clones of Chairman Mao.

Time and again they get away with it because the public love having their finger pointing moment. Corbyn is a good man if not a natural leader. His heart is in the right place and he genuinely wants to help those at the bottom of society better their lives which is in comparison with Theresa May who simply infers she wants to help but with no real desire to follow it through.

You can't trust the Tories they are all smoke and mirrors. Recently they came out with the idea of excluding students from the immigration figures so that they can claim to have lowered the numbers :roll: . That is so typical of them they don't actually deal with the problem they find ways of manipulating the figures so they can claim they have 'fixed' the problem and time and again a large percentage of the gullible public believe them.



oh come on. and labour have never come up with rafts of pointless job creation projects to lower the unemployment figures.?
Jeremy is possibly the least honest politician ever. cant even be honest with himself and without that your cooked.
once he has opened his mouth on a topic..thats it forever.. his own personal values shall not be corrupted whether its for the
good of the nation or not...his life is littered with ill thought out incidents not least of all his IRA involvement, none of which he has ever distanced himself or been embarrassed about later .. most people have said,done,been involved in things they regret.i know i have.and held views that have either softened or changed. not having that regret or change of view does not show integrity it shows pig headedness. its a trait of labour and staunch labour voters ,if this man represented any other party your views on him would be in line with the media.he suported,simpathised and was friends with men who planned to blow up a busy town center the day before mothers day while having children of his own. sorry i wouldnt be able to defend this bloke even if he was my dad or my son.

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Tue May 16, 2017 9:43 am

Good post. It is amazing with all the might of the Tory press and even with the bias of the BBC Jeremy Corbyn is to say the least starting to make a difference with his openness and policies which are proving very popular. Standing ovation at the nurses conference yesterday and wherever he goes large crowds gather to listen. The openness and honesty which he is showing is starting to make a difference. Compared to Teresa May who comes across as wooden and not in the same league.

Many people who have never voted before are intending to vote this time. The under forties who support Corbyn must register to vote or once again the over 65's will win the day. Labour want the retirement age to be 66 . Tories 70.

So to keep the tories from winning Plaid, Lib Dems, Green, must vote tactically. UKIP has collapsed ex Labour voters must consider more cuts and another 5 years of austerity.

Oh and Teresa May wants to bring back Fox hunting.