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Postby Merlin11 » Fri May 19, 2017 3:19 am

MILLIONS of Pensioners betrayed by wooden Theresa May's manifesto. She is hitting older people with a triple whammy scrapping the triple lock on pension, removing the winter fuel payment and forcing those who need social care to pay for it with their homes. Many older people angered by the Tory manifesto!
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Postby Pant-Yr-Awel Oldie » Fri May 19, 2017 6:49 am

People's houses have been used to pay for homes for years. Right through Labours 13 years in power. I am on a pension and it won't affect me a lot. But it will affect me if and when Corbyn bankrups the country.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby wez1927 » Fri May 19, 2017 6:51 am

Merlin11 wrote:MILLIONS of Pensioners betrayed by wooden Theresa May's manifesto. She is hitting older people with a triple whammy scrapping the triple lock on pension, removing the winter fuel payment and forcing those who need social care to pay for it with their homes. Many older people angered by the Tory manifesto!

They have raised the threshold from 23k to 100k tho before you would have to sell your houses to pay for care straight away now you don't!
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby wez1927 » Fri May 19, 2017 6:52 am

Pant-Yr-Awel Oldie wrote:People's houses have been used to pay for homes for years. Right through Labours 13 years in power. I am on a pension and it won't affect me a lot. But it will affect me if and when Corbyn bankrups the country.

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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Steve Zodiak » Fri May 19, 2017 7:23 am

Don't get this post at all. The fuel allowance is not being removed. People who can afford to pay for their own fuel will be asked to do so. I can afford it or would people rather the tax payer sort out my fuel bill so that I can have some extra spending money the next time I am in Florida. If the tax payer wants to subsidise me, that's fine, extra for me to spend on entertainment. I remember someone in the Labour party being so much against the fuel allowance being given to those who don't need it, that it was suggested we should donate the money to charity.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Merlin11 » Fri May 19, 2017 7:54 am

It is being called the dimentia tax. If you own a property which is worth more than 100k then you will be expected to pay for all social care costs whether your at HOME in a residential care home or nursing home. This is new for people who receive care at home.
Winter fuel payments will be means tested and millions of pensioners will be effected.

Wooden Teresa May has also announced the removal of the triple lock for pensioners which means year on year misery increases.

The right wing bloggers on here are always in denial. If you read the Tory manifesto or listen to radio or tv you can see for yourselves. I never thought the nasty party would turn on the grey vote but it has. Starving the NHS of funding making it ripe for rich private companies to takeover.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Steve Zodiak » Fri May 19, 2017 8:08 am

Merlin11 wrote:It is being called the dimentia tax. If you own a property which is worth more than 100k then you will be expected to pay for all social care costs whether your at HOME in a residential care home or nursing home. This is new for people who receive care at home.
Winter fuel payments will be means tested and millions of pensioners will be effected.

Wooden Teresa May has also announced the removal of the triple lock for pensioners which means year on year misery increases.

The right wing bloggers on here are always in denial. If you read the Tory manifesto or listen to radio or tv you can see for yourselves. I never thought the nasty party would turn on the grey vote but it has. Starving the NHS of funding making it ripe for rich private companies to takeover.

I'm not in denial. Prefer them not to means test fuel allowance so that I can have some spending money courtesy of the general public. Donations always welcome even though I have more than enough to live on. As far as care is concerned, again I would prefer to sell my house and give the proceeds to my kids so that they can enjoy some exotic holidays, get some good cars etc., and then the taxpayers can pay for my care, which ultimately means they are paying for my children to have a good time. I don't have a problem with that, but not sure the younger generation want to subsidise me with holiday spending money, or pay for my care so that I can give my family some good spending money.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby angelis1949 » Fri May 19, 2017 8:44 am

Merlin11 wrote:MILLIONS of Pensioners betrayed by wooden Theresa May's manifesto. She is hitting older people with a triple whammy scrapping the triple lock on pension, removing the winter fuel payment and forcing those who need social care to pay for it with their homes. Many older people angered by the Tory manifesto!

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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Fri May 19, 2017 9:13 am

Steve Zodiak wrote:
Merlin11 wrote:It is being called the dimentia tax. If you own a property which is worth more than 100k then you will be expected to pay for all social care costs whether your at HOME in a residential care home or nursing home. This is new for people who receive care at home.
Winter fuel payments will be means tested and millions of pensioners will be effected.

Wooden Teresa May has also announced the removal of the triple lock for pensioners which means year on year misery increases.

The right wing bloggers on here are always in denial. If you read the Tory manifesto or listen to radio or tv you can see for yourselves. I never thought the nasty party would turn on the grey vote but it has. Starving the NHS of funding making it ripe for rich private companies to takeover.

I'm not in denial. Prefer them not to means test fuel allowance so that I can have some spending money courtesy of the general public. Donations always welcome even though I have more than enough to live on. As far as care is concerned, again I would prefer to sell my house and give the proceeds to my kids so that they can enjoy some exotic holidays, get some good cars etc., and then the taxpayers can pay for my care, which ultimately means they are paying for my children to have a good time. I don't have a problem with that, but not sure the younger generation want to subsidise me with holiday spending money, or pay for my care so that I can give my family some good spending money.


That might be your public spirited attitude but you would be surprised at just how many have the opposite view, despite what they might say in public.

At the end of the day people vote for what is best for them. If some of the grey vote see their £250-400 winter fuel payments plus their guaranteed 2.5% pension increase going down the drain they WILL vote to stop that, even if they have more than enough to live on.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Fri May 19, 2017 9:17 am

Pant-Yr-Awel Oldie wrote:People's houses have been used to pay for homes for years. Right through Labours 13 years in power. I am on a pension and it won't affect me a lot. But it will affect me if and when Corbyn bankrups the country.


Yes people have been paying for their personal care for years including under the previous Labour Government. However, Labour introduced the triple lock and winter fuel payments (which you failed to mention)

I would also point out that the Tories have borrowed more money in the past 7 years than all previous Labour Governments put together :shock: So much for their so called economic competence. :lol: :roll:
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby bakircioglu » Fri May 19, 2017 9:21 am

The Winter Fuel Payment is being made means tested.

Basically, if you don't get Pension Credits, you won't get it. That's 10m people who will lose the payment.

Don't get me wrong, it's a big burden on the UK but the focus should be on stopping the payment to people who no longer live in the UK and then staggered for pensioners depending on their total income.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Fri May 19, 2017 9:23 am

Merlin11 wrote:It is being called the dimentia tax. If you own a property which is worth more than 100k then you will be expected to pay for all social care costs whether your at HOME in a residential care home or nursing home. This is new for people who receive care at home.
Winter fuel payments will be means tested and millions of pensioners will be effected.

Wooden Teresa May has also announced the removal of the triple lock for pensioners which means year on year misery increases.

The right wing bloggers on here are always in denial. If you read the Tory manifesto or listen to radio or tv you can see for yourselves. I never thought the nasty party would turn on the grey vote but it has. Starving the NHS of funding making it ripe for rich private companies to takeover.


Of the three IMO the one which will have the biggest impact is the removal of the triple lock on pensions. If the Tories win this election and implement the policy they will face a huge grey backlash when they start freezing state pension rises like they have done with working age benefits.

If I were a betting man I would stake £100 on the Tories winning the election but with only a 20 seat majority as their campaign has been bland and wooden whilst Labour's has been surprisingly positive and invigorating.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Fri May 19, 2017 9:28 am

bakircioglu wrote:The Winter Fuel Payment is being made means tested.

Basically, if you don't get Pension Credits, you won't get it. That's 10m people who will lose the payment.

Don't get me wrong, it's a big burden on the UK but the focus should be on stopping the payment to people who no longer live in the UK and then staggered for pensioners depending on their total income.


I actually do believe that the most wealthy shouldn't receive winter fuel payments.

However, there are many pensioners who don't receive pension credit but their income is still very low. The elderly need to keep warm far more than younger people do for obvious reasons. If this goes through then I can see a huge scandal in a few years time as record deaths occur with pensioners who couldn't afford to warm their homes properly.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby dogfound » Fri May 19, 2017 10:39 am

bakircioglu wrote:The Winter Fuel Payment is being made means tested.

Basically, if you don't get Pension Credits, you won't get it. That's 10m people who will lose the payment.

Don't get me wrong, it's a big burden on the UK but the focus should be on stopping the payment to people who no longer live in the UK and then staggered for pensioners depending on their total income.



wow..im thinking of changing my vote now.
its based on pension credits and its going to effect 10 million ?

and you are? TMs advisor on pension credits/winter fuel allowance ? a typical labour liar ?
ill have a tenner on the later.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby dogfound » Fri May 19, 2017 10:41 am

Merlin11 wrote:MILLIONS of Pensioners betrayed by wooden Theresa May's manifesto. She is hitting older people with a triple whammy scrapping the triple lock on pension, removing the winter fuel payment and forcing those who need social care to pay for it with their homes. Many older people angered by the Tory manifesto!



more and more desperate.
socialists now demanding winter fuel allowance for the most wealthy.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Steve Zodiak » Fri May 19, 2017 10:49 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
bakircioglu wrote:The Winter Fuel Payment is being made means tested.

Basically, if you don't get Pension Credits, you won't get it. That's 10m people who will lose the payment.

Don't get me wrong, it's a big burden on the UK but the focus should be on stopping the payment to people who no longer live in the UK and then staggered for pensioners depending on their total income.


I actually do believe that the most wealthy shouldn't receive winter fuel payments.

However, there are many pensioners who don't receive pension credit but their income is still very low. The elderly need to keep warm far more than younger people do for obvious reasons. If this goes through then I can see a huge scandal in a few years time as record deaths occur with pensioners who couldn't afford to warm their homes properly.

The thing is Tony, if it goes through and people find it is having an unbearable impact, they will be out at the next election. While this manifesto is slightly different to their last one, a lot of what was being complained about before the last election is being repeated now. People still voted Tory, and despite these same things being said, it looks as even more people will be voting for them this time. I am in the group who according to many on here stand to lose the most being the wrong side of 60. I am also in the group who according to many of the disgruntled younger generation have had too much protection while they seem to get saddled with paying taxes to look after me. Don't get me wrong, if the taxpayer wants to look after my interests so that I don't have to dip into my savings that's fine by me. If they are happy to give me a bit of their wages each month, I won't turn it down. If they are not, I will have to take responsibility for looking after myself, and I don't have a problem with that either. Although my vote will be going to the conservatives, I am not particularly bothered who wins, either I lose some allowances by voting the way I intend, or will see interest rates rise under Labour, and just have to hope that these rates will match the inevitable inflation that will come with Labour.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Wayne S » Fri May 19, 2017 11:19 am

It's those who require care support at home that will be affected the most.

Free care at home was based on assets NOT including the value of your house. But now it includes the value of your house so many many more will need to pay.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Steve Zodiak » Fri May 19, 2017 11:33 am

Final say on election for me, will just read from now on rather than bore people. We need to remember whoever we vote for, nothing is free. The government has no money of their own, it is ours. I often wonder if we were paid without tax being deducted, and then had to take a wad of notes each month to the local council offices and pay out tax in cash, would we think differently actually seeing our hard earned money being handed over, and would we be so keen on certain areas of government expenditure. Whoever wins, and whatever policies are adopted, we need to remember who is paying.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby angelis1949 » Fri May 19, 2017 11:46 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Merlin11 wrote:It is being called the dimentia tax. If you own a property which is worth more than 100k then you will be expected to pay for all social care costs whether your at HOME in a residential care home or nursing home. This is new for people who receive care at home.
Winter fuel payments will be means tested and millions of pensioners will be effected.

Wooden Teresa May has also announced the removal of the triple lock for pensioners which means year on year misery increases.

The right wing bloggers on here are always in denial. If you read the Tory manifesto or listen to radio or tv you can see for yourselves. I never thought the nasty party would turn on the grey vote but it has. Starving the NHS of funding making it ripe for rich private companies to takeover.


Of the three IMO the one which will have the biggest impact is the removal of the triple lock on pensions. If the Tories win this election and implement the policy they will face a huge grey backlash when they start freezing state pension rises like they have done with working age benefits.

If I were a betting man I would stake £100 on the Tories winning the election but with only a 20 seat majority as their campaign has been bland and wooden whilst Labour's has been surprisingly positive and invigorating.

You. are a true example of a champagne Socialist,having a hundred pounds to splash out on a bet
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby welshrarebit » Fri May 19, 2017 1:05 pm

Maybe I'm reading things wrong but I don't get this anger. 1. Winter fuel payments are not being removed they are being means tested.

2. As I understand things they can already take your house to pay for your care. Now they are saying that they won't do it until after the death of the individual and the the residual limit raised from around 20 odd grand. Surely that is an improvement??

I don't get some people
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby wez1927 » Fri May 19, 2017 1:10 pm

welshrarebit wrote:Maybe I'm reading things wrong but I don't get this anger. 1. Winter fuel payments are not being removed they are being means tested.

2. As I understand things they can already take your house to pay for your care. Now they are saying that they won't do it until after the death of the individual and the the residual limit raised from around 20 odd grand. Surely that is an improvement??

I don't get some people

Your right at the monent as soon as you get over 23k you have to pay for your care most people have to sell there assets its going to 100k now so miat people in wales especially tbe valleys will be better off
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Merlin11 » Fri May 19, 2017 2:03 pm

Wayne spot on. The difference now it effects people who are cared for in their own home. If you have an asset over 100k you will have to pay and the house is sold at the end of your life. This is new Tory policy. They are also taking away the triple lock which protects against inflation.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Fusilier23 » Fri May 19, 2017 3:25 pm

Merlin11 wrote:MILLIONS of Pensioners betrayed by wooden Theresa May's manifesto. She is hitting older people with a triple whammy scrapping the triple lock on pension, removing the winter fuel payment and
forcing those who need social care to pay for it with their homes. Many older people angered by the Tory manifesto!


Who should pay for there own social care then?

The winter fuel payment goes to all pensioners - why, if they are wealthy enough then no. I even think the power companies should pay this.

Labour are pandering to peoples belief that they will be able to get more money across the board - how will this be funded?

A very small part of me wants labour to win so they are shown to be full of bull - not really hope they trashed under JC and his comrades
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Merlin11 » Fri May 19, 2017 5:09 pm

Would it be possible for one of the Tory loving supporters on here to please tell us what the policies of this party are for the next five years. I think we have a flavour of what you don't like. I know some tories are not happy about the triple whammy.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Fri May 19, 2017 8:26 pm

Fusilier23 wrote:
Merlin11 wrote:MILLIONS of Pensioners betrayed by wooden Theresa May's manifesto. She is hitting older people with a triple whammy scrapping the triple lock on pension, removing the winter fuel payment and
forcing those who need social care to pay for it with their homes. Many older people angered by the Tory manifesto!


Who should pay for there own social care then?

The winter fuel payment goes to all pensioners - why, if they are wealthy enough then no. I even think the power companies should pay this.

Labour are pandering to peoples belief that they will be able to get more money across the board - how will this be funded?

A very small part of me wants labour to win so they are shown to be full of bull - not really hope they trashed under JC and his comrades


Astonishing post considering Labours manifesto is fully funded but the Tories have given little detail in theirs :? Also the Tories have refused Labours challenge to have both manifestos scrutinised by the Independent Office of Budget Responsibility. I think someone's been brainwashed by the Tory media :lol:
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby wez1927 » Fri May 19, 2017 8:30 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Fusilier23 wrote:
Merlin11 wrote:MILLIONS of Pensioners betrayed by wooden Theresa May's manifesto. She is hitting older people with a triple whammy scrapping the triple lock on pension, removing the winter fuel payment and
forcing those who need social care to pay for it with their homes. Many older people angered by the Tory manifesto!


Who should pay for there own social care then?

The winter fuel payment goes to all pensioners - why, if they are wealthy enough then no. I even think the power companies should pay this.

Labour are pandering to peoples belief that they will be able to get more money across the board - how will this be funded?

A very small part of me wants labour to win so they are shown to be full of bull - not really hope they trashed under JC and his comrades


Astonishing post considering Labours manifesto is fully funded but the Tories have given little detail in theirs :? Also the Tories have refused Labours challenge to have both manifestos scrutinised by the Independent Office of Budget Responsibility. I think someone's been brainwashed by the Tory media :lol:

Fully funded? 58 billion black hole :lol:
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby rontom » Fri May 19, 2017 9:40 pm

Pant-Yr-Awel Oldie wrote:People's houses have been used to pay for homes for years. Right through Labours 13 years in power. I am on a pension and it won't affect me a lot. But it will affect me if and when Corbyn bankrups the country.


This present lot have more than doubled the debt left them, despite all the benefit cuts, and selling the nations silver like Lloyds Bank, the royal mail, RBS Bank, just to name a few, they are raping the country of money and giving it to their cronies. there is more chance of this lot bankrupting the country than Corbyn. They could not even produce a legal budget last time they tried. the excuse being they forgot about their promise in their manifesto god help us
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Igovernor » Fri May 19, 2017 10:13 pm

bakircioglu wrote:The Winter Fuel Payment is being made means tested.

Basically, if you don't get Pension Credits, you won't get it. That's 10m people who will lose the payment.

Don't get me wrong, it's a big burden on the UK but the focus should be on stopping the payment to people who no longer live in the UK and then staggered for pensioners depending on their total income.


It will be stopped for people who no longer live in this country as those living abroad can afford to do so, they have enough money, and you are wrong about pension credits there are going to be millions not on pension credit who will still get the winter fuel payments
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Merlin11 » Sat May 20, 2017 8:06 am

According to Laura Keunsberg the BBC's main bias political correspondent. 10 mILLION pensioners will lose their winter fuel payments. Plus the triple lock is being removed which guarantees the pension against high inflation increases. Also if your house is over 100k and you receive care at home. Your home will be sold for that care when you die. It is being called the DIMENTIA TAX.

The Tories have doubled the national debt in 7 years and we have nothing to show for it except financial hardship for many families and now they turn on the pensioners. Only Labour can stop this. Vote for the many NOT THE FEW.
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Re: Game changer for Election 2017?

Postby Steve Zodiak » Sat May 20, 2017 8:33 am

rontom wrote:
Pant-Yr-Awel Oldie wrote:People's houses have been used to pay for homes for years. Right through Labours 13 years in power. I am on a pension and it won't affect me a lot. But it will affect me if and when Corbyn bankrups the country.


This present lot have more than doubled the debt left them, despite all the benefit cuts, and selling the nations silver like Lloyds Bank, the royal mail, RBS Bank, just to name a few, they are raping the country of money and giving it to their cronies. there is more chance of this lot bankrupting the country than Corbyn. They could not even produce a legal budget last time they tried. the excuse being they forgot about their promise in their manifesto god help us

Need to clarify a few facts here. The government has never ever owned Lloyds bank, so how can they sell something that throughout Lloyds history has never been in government hands. The most they held was in the immediate aftermath of the banking crisis, and that was around 44%. Lloyds would never have needed bailing out if Gordon Brown had not encouraged Lloyds to acquire HBOS, who had all sorts of hidden debts at the time. It was a clever move by Brown as a lot of the debts held at HBOS were reduced by using the funds held by Lloyds. The amount the government then had to pump into the new group was obviously far less as all the assets that Lloyds had was lost to the HBOS debts. I think you will find that Lloyds has never been the nation's silver, and a lot of their problems can be put down to Brown and the senior management who rushed through the merger without carrying out the usual due diligence tests.
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