Tue May 23, 2017 1:32 pm
BlueDredd wrote:dogfound wrote:BlueDredd wrote:dogfound wrote:Jock wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Oh I'm so pleased for you oh by the just in case your interested at least 19 people have been murdered by terrorists today
He supports terrorism.
yep..he has made that crystal clear over a period of time.
not the only one either.
So you're saying the Torie's have had no dealings with the IRA?... Only Jeremy Corbin, protesting for peace.
goverments HAVE to deal with all sorts of unsavoury scumbags .OBVIOUSLY DUH.. not the same thing is it.
didnt get much fish as a child.?
Course they do pal.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 26723.html
http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/4 ... ory_bosom/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... servatives
Tell me more about the above. Then I suggest you nip off and poach yourself a nice haddock fillet. There's a good lad.
Tue May 23, 2017 1:49 pm
BlueDredd wrote:dogfound wrote:Jock wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Oh I'm so pleased for you oh by the just in case your interested at least 19 people have been murdered by terrorists today
He supports terrorism.
yep..he has made that crystal clear over a period of time.
not the only one either.
So you're saying the Torie's have had no dealings with the IRA?... Only Jeremy Corbin, protesting for peace.
Tue May 23, 2017 1:56 pm
BlueDredd wrote:dogfound wrote:BlueDredd wrote:dogfound wrote:Jock wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Oh I'm so pleased for you oh by the just in case your interested at least 19 people have been murdered by terrorists today
He supports terrorism.
yep..he has made that crystal clear over a period of time.
not the only one either.
So you're saying the Torie's have had no dealings with the IRA?... Only Jeremy Corbin, protesting for peace.
goverments HAVE to deal with all sorts of unsavoury scumbags .OBVIOUSLY DUH.. not the same thing is it.
didnt get much fish as a child.?
Course they do pal.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 26723.html
http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/4 ... ory_bosom/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... servatives
Tell me more about the above. Then I suggest you nip off and poach yourself a nice haddock fillet. There's a good lad.
Tue May 23, 2017 5:42 pm
dogfound wrote:BlueDredd wrote:dogfound wrote:Jock wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Oh I'm so pleased for you oh by the just in case your interested at least 19 people have been murdered by terrorists today
He supports terrorism.
yep..he has made that crystal clear over a period of time.
not the only one either.
So you're saying the Torie's have had no dealings with the IRA?... Only Jeremy Corbin, protesting for peace.
goverments HAVE to deal with all sorts of unsavoury scumbags .OBVIOUSLY DUH.. not the same thing is it.
didnt get much fish as a child.?
Tue May 23, 2017 7:21 pm
Tue May 23, 2017 10:26 pm
BlueDredd wrote:dogfound wrote:BlueDredd wrote:dogfound wrote:Jock wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Oh I'm so pleased for you oh by the just in case your interested at least 19 people have been murdered by terrorists today
He supports terrorism.
yep..he has made that crystal clear over a period of time.
not the only one either.
So you're saying the Torie's have had no dealings with the IRA?... Only Jeremy Corbin, protesting for peace.
goverments HAVE to deal with all sorts of unsavoury scumbags .OBVIOUSLY DUH.. not the same thing is it.
didnt get much fish as a child.?
I also forgot this one.. enjoy.
http://evolvepolitics.com/realise-curre ... ira-right/
Thu May 25, 2017 7:44 am
dogfound wrote:BlueDredd wrote:dogfound wrote:BlueDredd wrote:dogfound wrote:Jock wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Oh I'm so pleased for you oh by the just in case your interested at least 19 people have been murdered by terrorists today
He supports terrorism.
yep..he has made that crystal clear over a period of time.
not the only one either.
So you're saying the Torie's have had no dealings with the IRA?... Only Jeremy Corbin, protesting for peace.
goverments HAVE to deal with all sorts of unsavoury scumbags .OBVIOUSLY DUH.. not the same thing is it.
didnt get much fish as a child.?
I also forgot this one.. enjoy.
http://evolvepolitics.com/realise-curre ... ira-right/
tbh mate she isnt on my council..is unlikely to ever effect my life.and id not vote for her if she were offering free blow jobs. scum.no matter what party
you on the other hand think youve uncovered the holy grail and it excuses you for wanting a human piece of shit as our prime minister.
funy thing ive seen him with placards and a megafone for a hundred different causes..
but never justice for the girls in rotherham or rochdale etc
in fact never pro British.
its like he scoures the shitholes of the world for new anti British things to demonstrate about.
Thu May 25, 2017 8:30 am
Jock wrote:dogfound wrote:BlueDredd wrote:dogfound wrote:BlueDredd wrote:dogfound wrote:Jock wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Oh I'm so pleased for you oh by the just in case your interested at least 19 people have been murdered by terrorists today
He supports terrorism.
yep..he has made that crystal clear over a period of time.
not the only one either.
So you're saying the Torie's have had no dealings with the IRA?... Only Jeremy Corbin, protesting for peace.
goverments HAVE to deal with all sorts of unsavoury scumbags .OBVIOUSLY DUH.. not the same thing is it.
didnt get much fish as a child.?
I also forgot this one.. enjoy.
http://evolvepolitics.com/realise-curre ... ira-right/
tbh mate she isnt on my council..is unlikely to ever effect my life.and id not vote for her if she were offering free blow jobs. scum.no matter what party
you on the other hand think youve uncovered the holy grail and it excuses you for wanting a human piece of shit as our prime minister.
funy thing ive seen him with placards and a megafone for a hundred different causes..
but never justice for the girls in rotherham or rochdale etc
in fact never pro British.
its like he scoures the shitholes of the world for new anti British things to demonstrate about.
He's so blinkered your wasting your time, he has absolutely no grasp of economics, in his mind if Corbyn was running the show our deficit would reduce and austerity would end. Our economy is in such a bad state economic migrants are flooding here
Thu May 25, 2017 10:23 am
Thu May 25, 2017 11:18 am
smakerzthebluebird wrote:Can't believe the level of people incapable of looking at cold hard fact in this thread
Labour went through 13 years in office and a global banking crisis and still put less on the national debt than the tories have done in 7 years, the Cameron and Osbourne cuts have put this country back 10
Years plus in growth. You cannot cut your way out of a global recession it's madness, increasing tax and curing public sector jobs in hard times is the dullest thing anyone could ever do after all those are the people who spend money in the economy.
Fact is tories failed to make the surplus they promised and have completely revised their plan on managing the public purse, you need economists in charge of fiscal policy not a moronic posh boy who probably can't even spell fiscal
2008 saw one of the biggest banking collapses in decades and labour steered through it with growth higher than most of Europe soon as they leave office in 2010 we have seen up until last year or so the worse growth rate in Europe and America who were tracking level roughly after the same crisis in 2010 surged heavily above us, why Obama has the bollocks to spend not restrict the public purse creating jobs and encouraging consumer spending therefore increasing tax revenues, our plebs went opposite and we now sit over £1 trillion worse off than we did in 2010 when labour left, quite how that's possible is astounding really ....
Thu May 25, 2017 11:50 am
ffs wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Can't believe the level of people incapable of looking at cold hard fact in this thread
Labour went through 13 years in office and a global banking crisis and still put less on the national debt than the tories have done in 7 years, the Cameron and Osbourne cuts have put this country back 10
Years plus in growth. You cannot cut your way out of a global recession it's madness, increasing tax and curing public sector jobs in hard times is the dullest thing anyone could ever do after all those are the people who spend money in the economy.
Fact is tories failed to make the surplus they promised and have completely revised their plan on managing the public purse, you need economists in charge of fiscal policy not a moronic posh boy who probably can't even spell fiscal
2008 saw one of the biggest banking collapses in decades and labour steered through it with growth higher than most of Europe soon as they leave office in 2010 we have seen up until last year or so the worse growth rate in Europe and America who were tracking level roughly after the same crisis in 2010 surged heavily above us, why Obama has the bollocks to spend not restrict the public purse creating jobs and encouraging consumer spending therefore increasing tax revenues, our plebs went opposite and we now sit over £1 trillion worse off than we did in 2010 when labour left, quite how that's possible is astounding really ....
Excellent post. A vote for the Tories is a suicidal vote. They must be removed before they cause further damage. All they are interested in is taking from the lower and middle classes, and investing the wealth with their banker chums. Complete fools
Thu May 25, 2017 11:53 am
BlueDredd wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Cardiffcitymad wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Wales has always been Labour Chief. Most only vote Labour here in the Valleys because it's traditional to do so.
You are spot on Sir. For all those who are voting Labour in Wales remember, Welsh Labour spent 9 million on a race track which could have been better spent on the Welsh NHS.
Got to say Chief I do support the racetrack and think it will be fantastic for Wales. The Jobs it would create. The tourist side of it. I feel house prices could rise. It would regenerate the area and it could Deffo do with that. Wales would benefit greatly from this track but that is only my opinion Chief .
Totally agree with this
Thu May 25, 2017 12:06 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:ffs wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Can't believe the level of people incapable of looking at cold hard fact in this thread
Labour went through 13 years in office and a global banking crisis and still put less on the national debt than the tories have done in 7 years, the Cameron and Osbourne cuts have put this country back 10
Years plus in growth. You cannot cut your way out of a global recession it's madness, increasing tax and curing public sector jobs in hard times is the dullest thing anyone could ever do after all those are the people who spend money in the economy.
Fact is tories failed to make the surplus they promised and have completely revised their plan on managing the public purse, you need economists in charge of fiscal policy not a moronic posh boy who probably can't even spell fiscal
2008 saw one of the biggest banking collapses in decades and labour steered through it with growth higher than most of Europe soon as they leave office in 2010 we have seen up until last year or so the worse growth rate in Europe and America who were tracking level roughly after the same crisis in 2010 surged heavily above us, why Obama has the bollocks to spend not restrict the public purse creating jobs and encouraging consumer spending therefore increasing tax revenues, our plebs went opposite and we now sit over £1 trillion worse off than we did in 2010 when labour left, quite how that's possible is astounding really ....
Excellent post. A vote for the Tories is a suicidal vote. They must be removed before they cause further damage. All they are interested in is taking from the lower and middle classes, and investing the wealth with their banker chums. Complete tw*ts
All very interesting, but who has been the ruling party in wales for the past 20 years.
Thu May 25, 2017 12:12 pm
piledriver64 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:ffs wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Can't believe the level of people incapable of looking at cold hard fact in this thread
Labour went through 13 years in office and a global banking crisis and still put less on the national debt than the tories have done in 7 years, the Cameron and Osbourne cuts have put this country back 10
Years plus in growth. You cannot cut your way out of a global recession it's madness, increasing tax and curing public sector jobs in hard times is the dullest thing anyone could ever do after all those are the people who spend money in the economy.
Fact is tories failed to make the surplus they promised and have completely revised their plan on managing the public purse, you need economists in charge of fiscal policy not a moronic posh boy who probably can't even spell fiscal
2008 saw one of the biggest banking collapses in decades and labour steered through it with growth higher than most of Europe soon as they leave office in 2010 we have seen up until last year or so the worse growth rate in Europe and America who were tracking level roughly after the same crisis in 2010 surged heavily above us, why Obama has the bollocks to spend not restrict the public purse creating jobs and encouraging consumer spending therefore increasing tax revenues, our plebs went opposite and we now sit over £1 trillion worse off than we did in 2010 when labour left, quite how that's possible is astounding really ....
Excellent post. A vote for the Tories is a suicidal vote. They must be removed before they cause further damage. All they are interested in is taking from the lower and middle classes, and investing the wealth with their banker chums. Complete tw*ts
All very interesting, but who has been the ruling party in wales for the past 20 years.
But why are you asking that The poster was simply making the point that the Tories aren't the safe economic hand they claim to be based on facts.
Economic policy is almost solely the province of the UK Government and, as a result, the Welsh Assembly only have the money allocated to them by the Tory Government. They can't set taxes, borrow money, or even prioritise to any great extent.
We can hold the Welsh Assembly to account for the Welsh NHS, Social Care, etc but even that is dependent on the size of the cake granted to them.It doesn't really matter what the Welsh Assembly want to do they can't make the cake any bigger only decide on the size of each piece.
Thu May 25, 2017 1:28 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:But I don't hear tax, vat etc., as one of the major gripes. Everything that people regularly complain about are those things you have mentioned which have been devolved. Would the slice of the cake be any bigger under Labour considering the same formula is used by the treasury irrespective of whether it is Labour or Conservatives in power. We have complained constantly about our NHS, our ambulance sevices, education, various other local services, and these moans and groans have not just been since 2010.
Thu May 25, 2017 2:19 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:But I don't hear tax, vat etc., as one of the major gripes. Everything that people regularly complain about are those things you have mentioned which have been devolved. Would the slice of the cake be any bigger under Labour considering the same formula is used by the treasury irrespective of whether it is Labour or Conservatives in power. We have complained constantly about our NHS, our ambulance sevices, education, various other local services, and these moans and groans have not just been since 2010.
The ultimate test on the job Labour are doing is gauged by election results. As you pointed out they have come top for the past 20 years so must be doing something right.
Thu May 25, 2017 2:49 pm
Sven wrote:BlueDredd wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Cardiffcitymad wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Wales has always been Labour Chief. Most only vote Labour here in the Valleys because it's traditional to do so.
You are spot on Sir. For all those who are voting Labour in Wales remember, Welsh Labour spent 9 million on a race track which could have been better spent on the Welsh NHS.
Got to say Chief I do support the racetrack and think it will be fantastic for Wales. The Jobs it would create. The tourist side of it. I feel house prices could rise. It would regenerate the area and it could Deffo do with that. Wales would benefit greatly from this track but that is only my opinion Chief .
Totally agree with this
Me too!
Sadly, one of the worst traits in modern society is that many people don't want anything that doesn't relate directly to them, in this case a motorcycle race track that would only serve to boost the economy of Wales and bring enjoyment to those who attended what is a pretty unique experience
Thankfully, there are some planners out there who see the 'value' of lots of things that I personally wouldn't support but would bring enjoyment to many others who would support
Thu May 25, 2017 3:14 pm
Cardiffcitymad wrote:Sven wrote:BlueDredd wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Cardiffcitymad wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Wales has always been Labour Chief. Most only vote Labour here in the Valleys because it's traditional to do so.
You are spot on Sir. For all those who are voting Labour in Wales remember, Welsh Labour spent 9 million on a race track which could have been better spent on the Welsh NHS.
Got to say Chief I do support the racetrack and think it will be fantastic for Wales. The Jobs it would create. The tourist side of it. I feel house prices could rise. It would regenerate the area and it could Deffo do with that. Wales would benefit greatly from this track but that is only my opinion Chief .
Totally agree with this
Me too!
Sadly, one of the worst traits in modern society is that many people don't want anything that doesn't relate directly to them, in this case a motorcycle race track that would only serve to boost the economy of Wales and bring enjoyment to those who attended what is a pretty unique experience
Thankfully, there are some planners out there who see the 'value' of lots of things that I personally wouldn't support but would bring enjoyment to many others who would support
But we can't have it both ways, example the National Lido in Pontypridd who RCT taxpayers subside made a loss of 600k in 16 weeks of trading! A track will definitely generate jobs etc but you could also argue how often is it going to be used and at what cost? I have seen many posts relating to the NHS and the dire mess its in so I think its important for people to realise in Wales the NHS is devolved and the extra money the Labour party had through consequential payments from Westminster were spend on dead end projects and could have been used for the health service!!
Thu May 25, 2017 4:00 pm
Cardiffcitymad wrote:Sven wrote:BlueDredd wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Cardiffcitymad wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Wales has always been Labour Chief. Most only vote Labour here in the Valleys because it's traditional to do so.
You are spot on Sir. For all those who are voting Labour in Wales remember, Welsh Labour spent 9 million on a race track which could have been better spent on the Welsh NHS.
Got to say Chief I do support the racetrack and think it will be fantastic for Wales. The Jobs it would create. The tourist side of it. I feel house prices could rise. It would regenerate the area and it could Deffo do with that. Wales would benefit greatly from this track but that is only my opinion Chief .
Totally agree with this
Me too!
Sadly, one of the worst traits in modern society is that many people don't want anything that doesn't relate directly to them, in this case a motorcycle race track that would only serve to boost the economy of Wales and bring enjoyment to those who attended what is a pretty unique experience
Thankfully, there are some planners out there who see the 'value' of lots of things that I personally wouldn't support but would bring enjoyment to many others who would support
But we can't have it both ways, example the National Lido in Pontypridd who RCT taxpayers subside made a loss of 600k in 16 weeks of trading! A track will definitely generate jobs etc but you could also argue how often is it going to be used and at what cost? I have seen many posts relating to the NHS and the dire mess its in so I think its important for people to realise in Wales the NHS is devolved and the extra money the Labour party had through consequential payments from Westminster were spend on dead end projects and could have been used for the health service!!
Thu May 25, 2017 10:09 pm
Fri May 26, 2017 7:51 pm
Sven wrote:Cardiffcitymad wrote:Sven wrote:BlueDredd wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Cardiffcitymad wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Wales has always been Labour Chief. Most only vote Labour here in the Valleys because it's traditional to do so.
You are spot on Sir. For all those who are voting Labour in Wales remember, Welsh Labour spent 9 million on a race track which could have been better spent on the Welsh NHS.
Got to say Chief I do support the racetrack and think it will be fantastic for Wales. The Jobs it would create. The tourist side of it. I feel house prices could rise. It would regenerate the area and it could Deffo do with that. Wales would benefit greatly from this track but that is only my opinion Chief .
Totally agree with this
Me too!
Sadly, one of the worst traits in modern society is that many people don't want anything that doesn't relate directly to them, in this case a motorcycle race track that would only serve to boost the economy of Wales and bring enjoyment to those who attended what is a pretty unique experience
Thankfully, there are some planners out there who see the 'value' of lots of things that I personally wouldn't support but would bring enjoyment to many others who would support
But we can't have it both ways, example the National Lido in Pontypridd who RCT taxpayers subside made a loss of 600k in 16 weeks of trading! A track will definitely generate jobs etc but you could also argue how often is it going to be used and at what cost? I have seen many posts relating to the NHS and the dire mess its in so I think its important for people to realise in Wales the NHS is devolved and the extra money the Labour party had through consequential payments from Westminster were spend on dead end projects and could have been used for the health service!!
Kate (and Steve Zodiak) I'm not disputing your comments on the Wales NHS and other things and wasn't aiming my comments at you directly. However, the simple facts are that there has to be 'other stuff' going on for people and there is also a gap in the UK market for a motorcycle-specific international motorcycle arena. Not only would it bring crowds but also local jobs in engineering, infrastructure and hospitality. Several firms have already said they will relocate to the area on practicality alone; much the same as many of the F1 teams are cluttered around Silverstone and its F1 specific track, which is not that good for top motorcycle events (and I'm a member there!)
All I am saying tis that if there is an opportunity to bring such positive things to Wales in any form, then they should be grasped and I think we'll find the main obstacle to the Ebbw Vale project is a difference how funding is acquired and the guaranteed so that WAG (and subsequently the Welsh tax payers) don't lose out, which is fair enough in my eyes
Fri May 26, 2017 9:39 pm
Sun May 28, 2017 7:23 am
Sun May 28, 2017 7:28 am
Miller time wrote:I don't think they will be as far ahead as they think.
Myself, wife, mother and 3 brothers all previously voted labour but now conservative and plenty of people I've visited have mentioned corbyns history etc.
How do they come to these figures and we've all seen how wrong they can be.
Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:43 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:ffs wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Can't believe the level of people incapable of looking at cold hard fact in this thread
Labour went through 13 years in office and a global banking crisis and still put less on the national debt than the tories have done in 7 years, the Cameron and Osbourne cuts have put this country back 10
Years plus in growth. You cannot cut your way out of a global recession it's madness, increasing tax and curing public sector jobs in hard times is the dullest thing anyone could ever do after all those are the people who spend money in the economy.
Fact is tories failed to make the surplus they promised and have completely revised their plan on managing the public purse, you need economists in charge of fiscal policy not a moronic posh boy who probably can't even spell fiscal
2008 saw one of the biggest banking collapses in decades and labour steered through it with growth higher than most of Europe soon as they leave office in 2010 we have seen up until last year or so the worse growth rate in Europe and America who were tracking level roughly after the same crisis in 2010 surged heavily above us, why Obama has the bollocks to spend not restrict the public purse creating jobs and encouraging consumer spending therefore increasing tax revenues, our plebs went opposite and we now sit over £1 trillion worse off than we did in 2010 when labour left, quite how that's possible is astounding really ....
Excellent post. A vote for the Tories is a suicidal vote. They must be removed before they cause further damage. All they are interested in is taking from the lower and middle classes, and investing the wealth with their banker chums. Complete fools
All very interesting, but who has been the ruling party in wales for the past 20 years.
Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:46 am
smakerzthebluebird wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:ffs wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Can't believe the level of people incapable of looking at cold hard fact in this thread
Labour went through 13 years in office and a global banking crisis and still put less on the national debt than the tories have done in 7 years, the Cameron and Osbourne cuts have put this country back 10
Years plus in growth. You cannot cut your way out of a global recession it's madness, increasing tax and curing public sector jobs in hard times is the dullest thing anyone could ever do after all those are the people who spend money in the economy.
Fact is tories failed to make the surplus they promised and have completely revised their plan on managing the public purse, you need economists in charge of fiscal policy not a moronic posh boy who probably can't even spell fiscal
2008 saw one of the biggest banking collapses in decades and labour steered through it with growth higher than most of Europe soon as they leave office in 2010 we have seen up until last year or so the worse growth rate in Europe and America who were tracking level roughly after the same crisis in 2010 surged heavily above us, why Obama has the bollocks to spend not restrict the public purse creating jobs and encouraging consumer spending therefore increasing tax revenues, our plebs went opposite and we now sit over £1 trillion worse off than we did in 2010 when labour left, quite how that's possible is astounding really ....
Excellent post. A vote for the Tories is a suicidal vote. They must be removed before they cause further damage. All they are interested in is taking from the lower and middle classes, and investing the wealth with their banker chums. Complete fools
All very interesting, but who has been the ruling party in wales for the past 20 years.
Not sure what your intentions are here Steve, we may be devolved but our budget is set from Westminster...
Yes money has been wasted every government does, my point was the job they done as whole and how cutting services isn't the answer to a recession and never will be
Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:21 am
smakerzthebluebird wrote:Can't believe the level of people incapable of looking at cold hard fact in this thread
Labour went through 13 years in office and a global banking crisis and still put less on the national debt than the tories have done in 7 years, the Cameron and Osbourne cuts have put this country back 10
Years plus in growth. You cannot cut your way out of a global recession it's madness, increasing tax and curing public sector jobs in hard times is the dullest thing anyone could ever do after all those are the people who spend money in the economy.
Fact is tories failed to make the surplus they promised and have completely revised their plan on managing the public purse, you need economists in charge of fiscal policy not a moronic posh boy who probably can't even spell fiscal
2008 saw one of the biggest banking collapses in decades and labour steered through it with growth higher than most of Europe soon as they leave office in 2010 we have seen up until last year or so the worse growth rate in Europe and America who were tracking level roughly after the same crisis in 2010 surged heavily above us, why Obama has the bollocks to spend not restrict the public purse creating jobs and encouraging consumer spending therefore increasing tax revenues, our plebs went opposite and we now sit over £1 trillion worse off than we did in 2010 when labour left, quite how that's possible is astounding really ....
Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:05 pm
paulh_85 wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Can't believe the level of people incapable of looking at cold hard fact in this thread
Labour went through 13 years in office and a global banking crisis and still put less on the national debt than the tories have done in 7 years, the Cameron and Osbourne cuts have put this country back 10
Years plus in growth. You cannot cut your way out of a global recession it's madness, increasing tax and curing public sector jobs in hard times is the dullest thing anyone could ever do after all those are the people who spend money in the economy.
Fact is tories failed to make the surplus they promised and have completely revised their plan on managing the public purse, you need economists in charge of fiscal policy not a moronic posh boy who probably can't even spell fiscal
2008 saw one of the biggest banking collapses in decades and labour steered through it with growth higher than most of Europe soon as they leave office in 2010 we have seen up until last year or so the worse growth rate in Europe and America who were tracking level roughly after the same crisis in 2010 surged heavily above us, why Obama has the bollocks to spend not restrict the public purse creating jobs and encouraging consumer spending therefore increasing tax revenues, our plebs went opposite and we now sit over £1 trillion worse off than we did in 2010 when labour left, quite how that's possible is astounding really ....
lol the deficit was astronomical though, so its no surprise that the national debt was going up
Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:49 pm
wez1927 wrote:paulh_85 wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Can't believe the level of people incapable of looking at cold hard fact in this thread
Labour went through 13 years in office and a global banking crisis and still put less on the national debt than the tories have done in 7 years, the Cameron and Osbourne cuts have put this country back 10
Years plus in growth. You cannot cut your way out of a global recession it's madness, increasing tax and curing public sector jobs in hard times is the dullest thing anyone could ever do after all those are the people who spend money in the economy.
Fact is tories failed to make the surplus they promised and have completely revised their plan on managing the public purse, you need economists in charge of fiscal policy not a moronic posh boy who probably can't even spell fiscal
2008 saw one of the biggest banking collapses in decades and labour steered through it with growth higher than most of Europe soon as they leave office in 2010 we have seen up until last year or so the worse growth rate in Europe and America who were tracking level roughly after the same crisis in 2010 surged heavily above us, why Obama has the bollocks to spend not restrict the public purse creating jobs and encouraging consumer spending therefore increasing tax revenues, our plebs went opposite and we now sit over £1 trillion worse off than we did in 2010 when labour left, quite how that's possible is astounding really ....
lol the deficit was astronomical though, so its no surprise that the national debt was going up
The deficit has been com8ng d9wn year on year also do peo0le expect all debt from 2010 to be the tories ? The over spending and commitments of labour would take years to unravel so of course the national debt would go up massively imagine what it would be now if labour stayed in power i bet it would be of been a lot worse
Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:54 pm
paulh_85 wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:Can't believe the level of people incapable of looking at cold hard fact in this thread
Labour went through 13 years in office and a global banking crisis and still put less on the national debt than the tories have done in 7 years, the Cameron and Osbourne cuts have put this country back 10
Years plus in growth. You cannot cut your way out of a global recession it's madness, increasing tax and curing public sector jobs in hard times is the dullest thing anyone could ever do after all those are the people who spend money in the economy.
Fact is tories failed to make the surplus they promised and have completely revised their plan on managing the public purse, you need economists in charge of fiscal policy not a moronic posh boy who probably can't even spell fiscal
2008 saw one of the biggest banking collapses in decades and labour steered through it with growth higher than most of Europe soon as they leave office in 2010 we have seen up until last year or so the worse growth rate in Europe and America who were tracking level roughly after the same crisis in 2010 surged heavily above us, why Obama has the bollocks to spend not restrict the public purse creating jobs and encouraging consumer spending therefore increasing tax revenues, our plebs went opposite and we now sit over £1 trillion worse off than we did in 2010 when labour left, quite how that's possible is astounding really ....
lol the deficit was astronomical though, so its no surprise that the national debt was going up