Human Rights

Wait for all the Liberal lefties to to bang on about possible changes to the human rights laws in our country,how about our human rights not to be murdered by some crazed Islamic terrorist

Wait for all the Liberal lefties to to bang on about possible changes to the human rights laws in our country,how about our human rights not to be murdered by some crazed Islamic terrorist

this is spot on

A shameless piece of electioneering.Yet when asked weather she'll reverse cuts to police budgets she typically ignores the questioner.

Wait for all the Liberal lefties to to bang on about possible changes to the human rights laws in our country,how about our human rights not to be murdered by some crazed Islamic terrorist

I absolutely agree that there are certain human rights laws that make the majority of people unsafe at the expense of a minority, but let's not by into Theresa May's bullshit that those were what caused her government to be unable to prevent recent terrorist attacks on our public. All three attacks had the involvement of people who the intelligence agencies and government were aware of, some of whom they in fact already had laws in place to allow them to actually deal with, but they chose not to and allowed these dangerous men to walk free until they murdered innocent men, women and children.

Wait for all the Liberal lefties to to bang on about possible changes to the human rights laws in our country,how about our human rights not to be murdered by some crazed Islamic terrorist

I absolutely agree that there are certain human rights laws that make the majority of people unsafe at the expense of a minority, but let's not by into Theresa May's bullshit that those were what caused her government to be unable to prevent recent terrorist attacks on our public. All three attacks had the involvement of people who the intelligence agencies and government were aware of, some of whom they in fact already had laws in place to allow them to actually deal with, but they chose not to and allowed these dangerous men to walk free until they murdered innocent men, women and children.

All atracks wou2od of been stopped if mays law when home sec wasnt voted down especially by corbyn ,abbott and McDonnell ,labour are nothing but a threat to our national security

A shameless piece of electioneering.Yet when asked weather she'll reverse cuts to police budgets she typically ignores the questioner.

How many extra police would have stopped Manchester, London (twice) and Lee Rigby ?

The laws do need to change. Not just human rights laws but in general what's illegal and what's not. Eg. Downloading the jihad magazine etc. Most of those people on the watch list should be in a guantanimo style prison.

Laws to outlaw certain types of material already exist. Laws to combat paedophillia for example. If you are found to be viewing child porn you get arrested.

If someone is found to be making, sharing, posting or viewing terrorist propaganda or anything deemed dangerous would it be too big a leap to arrest them too??

Wait for all the Liberal lefties to to bang on about possible changes to the human rights laws in our country,how about our human rights not to be murdered by some crazed Islamic terrorist

I absolutely agree that there are certain human rights laws that make the majority of people unsafe at the expense of a minority, but let's not by into Theresa May's bullshit that those were what caused her government to be unable to prevent recent terrorist attacks on our public. All three attacks had the involvement of people who the intelligence agencies and government were aware of, some of whom they in fact already had laws in place to allow them to actually deal with, but they chose not to and allowed these dangerous men to walk free until they murdered innocent men, women and children.

All atracks wou2od of been stopped if mays law when home sec wasnt voted down especially by corbyn ,abbott and McDonnell ,labour are nothing but a threat to our national security

What was 'mays law' that was voted down when the Tories ran the UK government? You make it sound as if a small group of opposition Labour MPs controlled the Parliamentary votes. Rubbish, as usual.

I am sure there could be some changes to legislation (including the Human Rights Act) to make it easier to detain or deport people who are considered a risk, but where there is not enough hard evidence to go to court. But most of the informed discussion i saw last night from all parties (including Tories) said that existing law and derogation within of the Human Rights Act already allow the government to take effective action against 'known threats', if only it has the will to do it.

The main problem with May's latest speech though is that it is a massive deflection from the real issues of resources and assessment of intelligence. It is a desperate attempt to blame a party out of power for the failures of her own party and government. 'Enough is enough' ffs. The buck has stopped with the Tories (even during the coalition government when they dictated policy and used the Lib Dems as human shields) since 2010.

Wait for all the Liberal lefties to to bang on about possible changes to the human rights laws in our country,how about our human rights not to be murdered by some crazed Islamic terrorist

I don't see having strong and fair human rights law in any way as an obstacle for fighting terrorism.

I am struggling to see any substance or details from May as to how by scrapping the human rights act she can keep us safer and fight terrorism.

Of course refine and add exceptions so that it is easier to arrest, detain and prosecute those suspected and eventually convicted of terrorism or colluding on terrorism but to say that the human rights act is preventing fighting terrorism is a desperate measure by a morally bankrupt and inept government to detract attention from their own uselessness in this area.

We have had a Tory government for long enough to have made a difference in fighting terrorism... they could have invest more in intelligence service, made better attempts of working with internet companies to clampdown on online recruitment and information sharing of terrorists, invested more in the police, changed the law to have more detection and detention of suspects etc.. what have they done... sweet FA and now the prime minister is enraged! The hypocrisy!

A shameless piece of electioneering.Yet when asked weather she'll reverse cuts to police budgets she typically ignores the questioner.

How many extra police would have stopped Manchester, London (twice) and Lee Rigby ?

How would scrapping the human rights act stopped either?

Truthfully all of this is a distraction - the Tories have had long enough and the human rights act has not stopped them from doing better in making the country safer and for May to come out with this now is outrageous.

Much can be done to make us safer and the Tories have done nothing.

I am not claiming Labour would or will be better (I'm not a Labour voter) but the Hypocrisy from May is quite unbelievable.

Wait for all the Liberal lefties to to bang on about possible changes to the human rights laws in our country,how about our human rights not to be murdered by some crazed Islamic terrorist

The Good Friday agreement depends on the ECHR, which is way more important. Terrorists aren't protected by it either. Also, it is electioneering. She won't be able to get rid of it. She tried as Home Sec and failed countless times. May shouts from the rooftops constantly, it's all bluster.

A shameless piece of electioneering.Yet when asked weather she'll reverse cuts to police budgets she typically ignores the questioner.

How many extra police would have stopped Manchester, London (twice) and Lee Rigby ?

They were all known to the police. If they actually had more officers, they might be able to do something about everyone that is "known" as opposed to just know about them.

Wait for all the Liberal lefties to to bang on about possible changes to the human rights laws in our country,how about our human rights not to be murdered by some crazed Islamic terrorist

I absolutely agree that there are certain human rights laws that make the majority of people unsafe at the expense of a minority, but let's not by into Theresa May's bullshit that those were what caused her government to be unable to prevent recent terrorist attacks on our public. All three attacks had the involvement of people who the intelligence agencies and government were aware of, some of whom they in fact already had laws in place to allow them to actually deal with, but they chose not to and allowed these dangerous men to walk free until they murdered innocent men, women and children.

All atracks wou2od of been stopped if mays law when home sec wasnt voted down especially by corbyn ,abbott and McDonnell ,labour are nothing but a threat to our national security

What was 'mays law' that was voted down when the Tories ran the UK government? You make it sound as if a small group of opposition Labour MPs controlled the Parliamentary votes. Rubbish, as usual.

I am sure there could be some changes to legislation (including the Human Rights Act) to make it easier to detain or deport people who are considered a risk, but where there is not enough hard evidence to go to court. But most of the informed discussion i saw last night from all parties (including Tories) said that existing law and derogation within of the Human Rights Act already allow the government to take effective action against 'known threats', if only it has the will to do it.

The main problem with May's latest speech though is that it is a massive deflection from the real issues of resources and assessment of intelligence. It is a desperate attempt to blame a party out of power for the failures of her own party and government. 'Enough is enough' ffs. The buck has stopped with the Tories (even during the coalition government when they dictated policy and used the Lib Dems as human shields) since 2010.

I completely agree.

She is a vile and hideous leader and while I am not a Labour supporter even the most ardent Tory can see that she is out of her depth, a liar and manipulator who is hiding the real issue which is that her government has failed completely on tackling terrorism. They have had long enough and have done nothing positive to fight terrorism. To insinuate that somehow the human rights act is a blockage is cowardly in the extreme. If it has been a blockage (which I don't believe) they have had enough time to do something about it.

A shameless piece of electioneering.Yet when asked weather she'll reverse cuts to police budgets she typically ignores the questioner.

How many extra police would have stopped Manchester, London (twice) and Lee Rigby ?

They were all known to the police. If they actually had more officers, they might be able to do something about everyone that is "known" as opposed to just know about them.

To add to that the Government we now know have been on alert for some time that a terrorist attack was likely so WHY weren't they demanding at least 30% officers at all major events and stricter stop and search activities.

So more policing could have minimized the risks.

Wait for all the Liberal lefties to to bang on about possible changes to the human rights laws in our country,how about our human rights not to be murdered by some crazed Islamic terrorist

The Good Friday agreement depends on the ECHR, which is way more important. Terrorists aren't protected by it either. Also, it is electioneering. She won't be able to get rid of it. She tried as Home Sec and failed countless times. May shouts from the rooftops constantly, it's all bluster.

And ultimately the human rights act is overall a good thing for us.

Using it as an excuse is sickening.

Wait for all the Liberal lefties to to bang on about possible changes to the human rights laws in our country,how about our human rights not to be murdered by some crazed Islamic terrorist

I don't see having strong and fair human rights law in any way as an obstacle for fighting terrorism.

I am struggling to see any substance or details from May as to how by scrapping the human rights act she can keep us safer and fight terrorism.

Of course refine and add exceptions so that it is easier to arrest, detain and prosecute those suspected and eventually convicted of terrorism or colluding on terrorism but to say that the human rights act is preventing fighting terrorism is a desperate measure by a morally bankrupt and inept government to detract attention from their own uselessness in this area.

We have had a Tory government for long enough to have made a difference in fighting terrorism... they could have invest more in intelligence service, made better attempts of working with internet companies to clampdown on online recruitment and information sharing of terrorists, invested more in the police, changed the law to have more detection and detention of suspects etc.. what have they done... sweet FA and now the prime minister is enraged! The hypocrisy!

I agree with a lot of that. The Human Rights Act is a poorly written piece of legislation which has brought about perverse interpretations by the Judiciary. From what I have seen TM mentioned 'changing the law' so that Terrorists can no longer take advantage of the HRA to avoid justice, but the basic Human protections will remain.

Of course with her weak and wobbly personality and the fact her reputation will be badly damaged by a poor election result means the chances of that happening are next to nothing.

Wait for all the Liberal lefties to to bang on about possible changes to the human rights laws in our country,how about our human rights not to be murdered by some crazed Islamic terrorist

I absolutely agree that there are certain human rights laws that make the majority of people unsafe at the expense of a minority, but let's not by into Theresa May's bullshit that those were what caused her government to be unable to prevent recent terrorist attacks on our public. All three attacks had the involvement of people who the intelligence agencies and government were aware of, some of whom they in fact already had laws in place to allow them to actually deal with, but they chose not to and allowed these dangerous men to walk free until they murdered innocent men, women and children.

All atracks wou2od of been stopped if mays law when home sec wasnt voted down especially by corbyn ,abbott and McDonnell ,labour are nothing but a threat to our national security

What was 'mays law' that was voted down when the Tories ran the UK government? You make it sound as if a small group of opposition Labour MPs controlled the Parliamentary votes. Rubbish, as usual.

Totally agree Wez is totally out of his depth as a message board debater and simply makes things up. As you have rightly pointed out it would have been impossible for the Labour opposition to stop the Tories in the commons as the Government have a clear majority.

The way it could happen is if Tory back benchers rebelled or the laws were deemed as illegal in the courts, either way it had nothing to do with Corbyn, Abbott and McDonald.

Wait for all the Liberal lefties to to bang on about possible changes to the human rights laws in our country,how about our human rights not to be murdered by some crazed Islamic terrorist

I absolutely agree that there are certain human rights laws that make the majority of people unsafe at the expense of a minority, but let's not by into Theresa May's bullshit that those were what caused her government to be unable to prevent recent terrorist attacks on our public. All three attacks had the involvement of people who the intelligence agencies and government were aware of, some of whom they in fact already had laws in place to allow them to actually deal with, but they chose not to and allowed these dangerous men to walk free until they murdered innocent men, women and children.

All atracks wou2od of been stopped if mays law when home sec wasnt voted down especially by corbyn ,abbott and McDonnell ,labour are nothing but a threat to our national security

What was 'mays law' that was voted down when the Tories ran the UK government? You make it sound as if a small group of opposition Labour MPs controlled the Parliamentary votes. Rubbish, as usual.

Totally agree Wez is totally out of his depth as a message board debater and simply makes things up. As you have rightly pointed out it would have been impossible for the Labour opposition to stop the Tories in the commons as the Government have a clear majority.

The way it could happen is if Tory back benchers rebelled or the laws were deemed as illegal in the courts, either way it had nothing to do with Corbyn, Abbott and McDonald.

Wez strikes me as the type of guy that gains all of his political knowledge from the daily star, or heat magazine.

A shameless piece of electioneering.Yet when asked weather she'll reverse cuts to police budgets she typically ignores the questioner.

How many extra police would have stopped Manchester, London (twice) and Lee Rigby ?

They were all known to the police. If they actually had more officers, they might be able to do something about everyone that is "known" as opposed to just know about them.

To add to that the Government we now know have been on alert for some time that a terrorist attack was likely so WHY weren't they demanding at least 30% officers at all major events and stricter stop and search activities.

So more policing could have minimized the risks.

I really have to smile when someone starts their posting by saying although I'm not a Labour supporter and go on to say some really horrible and personal things about Teresa,why don't you just admit what you.are...a left wing supporter

I really have to smile when someone starts their posting by saying although I'm not a Labour supporter and go on to say some really horrible and personal things about Teresa,why don't you just admit what you.are...a left wing scumbag

I love it when some starts a post by complaining about those making 'horrible and personal' attacks only to finish it with a 'horrible and personal' attack

I really have to smile when someone starts their posting by saying although I'm not a Labour supporter and go on to say some really horrible and personal things about Teresa,why don't you just admit what you.are...a left wing scumbag

I love it when some starts a post by complaining about those making 'horrible and personal' attacks only to finish it with a 'horrible and personal' attack

Beat me to it Tony,not the first time he's made an inflammatory post and cries like he been denied his mothers tit when someone calls him out for it.

I really have to smile when someone starts their posting by saying although I'm not a Labour supporter and go on to say some really horrible and personal things about Teresa,why don't you just admit what you.are...a left wing scumbag

I love it when some starts a post by complaining about those making 'horrible and personal' attacks only to finish it with a 'horrible and personal' attack

Beat me to it Tony,not the first time he's made an inflammatory post and cries like he been denied his mothers tit when someone calls him out for it.

Lol

A shameless piece of electioneering.Yet when asked weather she'll reverse cuts to police budgets she typically ignores the questioner.

How many extra police would have stopped Manchester, London (twice) and Lee Rigby ?

They were all known to the police. If they actually had more officers, they might be able to do something about everyone that is "known" as opposed to just know about them.

To add to that the Government we now know have been on alert for some time that a terrorist attack was likely so WHY weren't they demanding at least 30% officers at all major events and stricter stop and search activities.

So more policing could have minimized the risks.

I really have to smile when someone starts their posting by saying although I'm not a Labour supporter and go on to say some really horrible and personal things about Teresa,why don't you just admit what you.are...a left wing supporter

Well I am always happy to make someone smile. I have no problem with identifying myself as being perhaps more left leaning. I have also said some really personal things about Corbyn, Farage, Sturgeon and others including people in the party I support. I stop short of personally abusing people on here though.

I also smile when there is a narrative from the right that somehow left learning people are somehow softer on crime and such like. It just isn't true.

The point is though that the Tories have been in power for some time and stripped money away from police and intelligence and for TM to insinuate that it is somehow the fault of the human rights act proves she is not willing to take responsibility and is deluded about her party's actions. The other parties may be worse or better, we don't know, but they are not in power so it is right that the focus should be on the ruling party.

A shameless piece of electioneering.Yet when asked weather she'll reverse cuts to police budgets she typically ignores the questioner.

Jeremy has been shamelessly electioneering since the election was called himself ..

many many lefties on here back then {only a few weeks ago } couldnt heap enough praise on him for sticking to his beliefs. and love him or loathe him we should all admire him for that
how the worms {both jezzer and his jezzerites } have turned.

I really have to smile when someone starts their posting by saying although I'm not a Labour supporter and go on to say some really horrible and personal things about Teresa,why don't you just admit what you.are...a left wing scumbag

I love it when some starts a post by complaining about those making 'horrible and personal' attacks only to finish it with a 'horrible and personal' attack

If you are aware my of my history of posting you would be aware that I rarely get personal but I'm fed up with people who pretend not to support Labour and yet their posting says otherwise,for goodness sake be upfront about your political views I'm a proud Tory and proud to say so

I really have to smile when someone starts their posting by saying although I'm not a Labour supporter and go on to say some really horrible and personal things about Teresa,why don't you just admit what you.are...a left wing scumbag

I love it when some starts a post by complaining about those making 'horrible and personal' attacks only to finish it with a 'horrible and personal' attack

If you are aware my of my history of posting you would be aware that I rarely get personal but I'm fed up with people who pretend not to support Labour and yet their posting says otherwise,for goodness sake be upfront about your political views I'm a proud Tory and proud to say so

I wouldn't say I'm not a Labour supporter if I was. There are other more progressive left leaning parties for me to choose from. Yes they are in a mess right now... But I haven't voted Labour for a long time.

Find something else to be fed up about.