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Postby Mr Potato » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:56 pm

It's a mixture of many things, our stadium set up is designed to not create any sort of atmosphere at all, its dreadful. But, we custome's are only there for a fantastically expensive experience!

I don't want an experience, I am not a customer, I want to be called a sheep shagging b******d, and have a bit of good old fashioned fan v fan banter, I am no old head or Hooligan by any stretch but football is; well was, and still should be, tribal.

Hence my rant on modern football. No wonder people look for something else. £4.20p for a pint of something resembling lager, beer or cider. To sit and clap. It's awful.

That said if we go up, it will fill the stadium most weeks as it will drag in new fans, to be honest I have said before, come February if we are still there, interest in next season will start to take affect
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Postby Bakedalasker » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:28 pm

Makes me laugh when I hear the comment our biggest attendances were when we were playing in red.

Our attendances were growing healthy well before the re-brand. Hence why we had to move into a bigger stadium. The season before the re-brand we had a good first season under Malky where we got to the playoff and a league cup final. We were primed to go up. THEN Tan went and brought his vision in that was a calculated risk. Anyone ever thought why he never brought it in when he first came on the seen?

So for a while his risk looked like it had worked. However this must have been on the back of his mind, the crowds will remain and possible rise higher but what happens if the success doesn't? Well we all know what happened. Yes we had our highest attendances under red but we were also on our way back to dungeon league attendances while the re-brand remained. Our highest attendances was nothing to do with red but getting rid of it stopped us stopped us going back to dungeon league levels.

So back to the question of why are not the crowds returning. We now are back to the level of success we had at the start of Malkys campaign. I recall a few of us when talking about this subject said turning back to blue would NOT make the crowds return but once we start winning again it would. Well it looks like they got that wrong. Perhaps just perhaps some might start seeing that the rebrand has done a lot more damage than they are willing to admit to.
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Re: When will Cardiff finally attract the crowds they deserv

Postby nubbsy » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:51 pm

What crowds do we 'deserve'?

Why do people keeping thinking that we are 'entitled' to large crowds?

At what point did people start believing that Cardiff City was bigger than what it is?
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Re: When will Cardiff finally attract the crowds they deserv

Postby nubbsy » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:54 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:Makes me laugh when I hear the comment our biggest attendances were when we were playing in red.

Our attendances were growing healthy well before the re-brand. Hence why we had to move into a bigger stadium. The season before the re-brand we had a good first season under Malky where we got to the playoff and a league cup final. We were primed to go up. THEN Tan went and brought his vision in that was a calculated risk. Anyone ever thought why he never brought it in when he first came on the seen?

So for a while his risk looked like it had worked. However this must have been on the back of his mind, the crowds will remain and possible rise higher but what happens if the success doesn't? Well we all know what happened. Yes we had our highest attendances under red but we were also on our way back to dungeon league attendances while the re-brand remained. Our highest attendances was nothing to do with red but getting rid of it stopped us stopped us going back to dungeon league levels.

So back to the question of why are not the crowds returning. We now are back to the level of success we had at the start of Malkys campaign. I recall a few of us when talking about this subject said turning back to blue would NOT make the crowds return but once we start winning again it would. Well it looks like they got that wrong. Perhaps just perhaps some might start seeing that the rebrand has done a lot more damage than they are willing to admit to.



Well put. MONEY AND SUCCESS brought us the crowds under the red. If Tan had invested without the rebrand this club would be in a much better state than its in now.
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Postby Forever Blue » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:57 pm

stephendavid wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
stephendavid wrote:Its a fair question annis when will they get the crowds they deserve....


Stephen, Our club, Our Manager Neil Warnock, the Head of our Supporters Club have all begged for our fans to return and after nearly 5months of pure success they have still not turned up even at virtually give away prices. :shock: :shock: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Fair point annis,cant do no more than they all have to be honest.No doubt 'they' will all return if we were to reach the premier league lol


Stephen, Yes t be fair Our club the last two years have done everything on and off the pitch to get the fans back and they have failed to respond.

I now await the Glory hunters once we reach the Premier League,who have come to see the opposition not Cardiff City our home town club :cry: :cry:
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Postby Forever Blue » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:59 pm

Bluebird-in-Jackland wrote:That article just goes to show that the rebrand hasn’t really affected attendances. If anything it give us the best attendances we’ve ever had in the championship. I’m not saying I was in favour of it, but it certainly didn’t affect our attendances no matter what many would make you believe in here. The relegation is what give us the bad attendances.
I think it’s just the simple fact of we are nowhere near as big a club as some people think. We all wish we were as big as we think but we’re simply not. Sustained success is the only way to get bigger attendances. Just look at the jacks now they are struggling.


Thats Scott Johnsons view.

My view is we lost about 3,000 hardcore home fans and a few hundred diehard away fans due the Rebrand :bluescarf:

The rest who will come and see City will be the Glory hunters in the Premier League,there was NO reason why they could not turn up in the last 5 months :cry:
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Re: When will Cardiff finally attract the crowds they deserv

Postby Forever Blue » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:00 pm

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Bakedalasker wrote:Makes me laugh when I hear the comment our biggest attendances were when we were playing in red.

Our attendances were growing healthy well before the re-brand. Hence why we had to move into a bigger stadium. The season before the re-brand we had a good first season under Malky where we got to the playoff and a league cup final. We were primed to go up. THEN Tan went and brought his vision in that was a calculated risk. Anyone ever thought why he never brought it in when he first came on the seen?

So for a while his risk looked like it had worked. However this must have been on the back of his mind, the crowds will remain and possible rise higher but what happens if the success doesn't? Well we all know what happened. Yes we had our highest attendances under red but we were also on our way back to dungeon league attendances while the re-brand remained. Our highest attendances was nothing to do with red but getting rid of it stopped us stopped us going back to dungeon league levels.

So back to the question of why are not the crowds returning. We now are back to the level of success we had at the start of Malkys campaign. I recall a few of us when talking about this subject said turning back to blue would NOT make the crowds return but once we start winning again it would. Well it looks like they got that wrong. Perhaps just perhaps some might start seeing that the rebrand has done a lot more damage than they are willing to admit to.



Well put. MONEY AND SUCCESS brought us the crowds under the red. If Tan had invested without the rebrand this club would be in a much better state than its in now.


Ian and Jack are Spot on :thumbright: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluebird:
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Re: When will Cardiff finally attract the crowds they deserv

Postby Forever Blue » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:01 pm

nubbsy wrote:What crowds do we 'deserve'?

Why do people keeping thinking that we are 'entitled' to large crowds?

At what point did people start believing that Cardiff City was bigger than what it is?


Jack, Well Warnock,City themselves, Vince Alm and I do believe the team/club now deserve bigger crowds.
Unbeaten at home, Top 3 for 5 months and cheap tickets,just a few reasons, I could write a book :lol: :bluebird:
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Postby Forever Blue » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:03 pm

stephendavid wrote:
skiprat wrote:"the support ain't there anymore lol" .2010 to present our crowds are at their highest since the 1960s."modern football" is something people actually go and watch rewind to the 80s early 90s the game was on its knees.

A capital city football club,with a population of 341,000,2nd in the division,playing great football an we struggle to get 18k through the gates.......


Stephen,
And 1.2mill including our City itself with in 10 miles and No other real Football Club to compete with :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluescarf: :ayatollah:
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Postby stephendavid » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:07 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
stephendavid wrote:
skiprat wrote:"the support ain't there anymore lol" .2010 to present our crowds are at their highest since the 1960s."modern football" is something people actually go and watch rewind to the 80s early 90s the game was on its knees.

A capital city football club,with a population of 341,000,2nd in the division,playing great football an we struggle to get 18k through the gates.......


Stephen,
And 1.2mill including our City itself with in 10 miles and No other real Football Club to compete with :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluescarf: :ayatollah:

Exactly annis and as you said what more can the team and manager do to get a good crowd down there.
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Postby stephendavid » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:09 pm

Our biggest crowds were in the premier league as all the glory hunters jumped on the bandwagon an wanted to see the away side play FACT
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Postby Forever Blue » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:14 pm

stephendavid wrote:Our biggest crowds were in the premier league as all the glory hunters jumped on the bandwagon an wanted to see the away side play FACT


Sadly a lot of truth there Stephen :cry:
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Re: When will Cardiff finally attract the crowds they deserv

Postby moonboots » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:46 pm

dogfound wrote:
skiprat wrote:They have to establish themselves in the premier league and win a major trophy.something they haven't done for 90 years.then I believe they would get a solid 26/27 average ala stoke/wba .the championship and lower leagues is done and dusted as far as Cardiff is concerned the public are not buying into it even at knocdown prices.



your on the mark here..its no accident that in that list Annis put up regarding clubs success our FA cup win put us at 33rd most successful ...and our average all time crowds are also 33rd best....and the top 9 successful clubs on that list also happen to be the 9 best supported.
the crowds we deserve..?.
since i started watching Cardiff we have been relegated to the 4th tier 4 times..which obviously has the opposite effect to crowds to that success brings . NO other club that has bigger averages has suffered that fate...
so maybe we are getting what we deserve and need a prolonged period in the premier league to witness any significant growth.


What you say makes sense. Also, our prolonged period in the wilderness has allowed several generations of football fans to drift towards supporting the Liverpools and Man Utds of this world. Always gonna be hard to win those fuckers back. Like you say, a prolonged period in the Prem is the only answer so that we can build up a new generation or two of young fans who are proud to support their local league club instead of glory hunting like their dads. :thumbup:
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Postby rumpo kid » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:51 pm

I’ve been to 4 games in the new stadium, after being a Ninian regular for 30+ years..
Going to that stadium is like visiting a f****n mortuary for me - it’s cold, sterile, and generally miserable.
Maybe the club should have thought about how the fans would like the new stadium. A drummer for f***s sake. People are voting with their feet.

They only have themselves to blame.
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Postby Forever Blue » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:13 pm

rumpo kid wrote:I’ve been to 4 games in the new stadium, after being a Ninian regular for 30+ years..
Going to that stadium is like visiting a f****n mortuary for me - it’s cold, sterile, and generally miserable.
Maybe the club should have thought about how the fans would like the new stadium. A drummer for f***s sake. People are voting with their feet.

They only have themselves to blame.


I have travelled back from Spain three times this season to see home games and have booked for 10 more games, the three I saw, I could not believe how bad the atmosphere was for a club in the Top 2 of the Championship, but to be fair the Canton Stand is trying its best :thumbright: :bluebird:
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Postby skiprat » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:56 pm

Ninian park had some great atmospheres sometimes it was like a morgue.ditto the new stadium .andy gray in commentary at the CCs against man city said it was one of the best atmospheres he had ever experienced at a game.
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Postby welshrarebit » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:10 pm

We probably get more with a poor turnout than all the rugby regions get combined.

Maybe wales doesn’t have enough supporters to go around? At least for regular domestic teams. If we can go back up to the prem and can sustain a presence then we have the capacity to grow. But we are all here because we have a dedication to the club. A lot of people. Most people - don’t. I’m not sure it’s the clubs fault anymore. They are doing a lot of things right. For a championship side we are probably at the plateau of regular fans but the premier league will change that if only so new fans can come in to see top level domestic games with some of the worlds best players. The new fans will come from there and if we can stay up there will be possibly be increased loyalty from a few of the newbies who would stay if we got relegated again.
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Postby bluuebird69 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:25 am

wez1927 wrote:
stephendavid wrote:
Mr Potato wrote:I don't think it's a coincidence that since football clubs changed the status of people from fan to customer that it all become a bit tedious, thee is just no atmosphere at games anymore and to be honest it's all a bit boring, elitist, more about revenue and sales forecasts than atmosphere and banter.

I don't like modern football

I tend to agree modern football does have no atmosphere mr potato head i think your spot on

You and I know a lot of people who just don't like the new stadium also grangetown has gone shit all the pubs have gone ,I hate the Cornwall


all the pubs have gone cause the areas full of Muslims who dont drink beer and the cornwall is surrounded by police every time i go past
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Postby stephendavid » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:55 am

bluuebird69 wrote:
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stephendavid wrote:
Mr Potato wrote:I don't think it's a coincidence that since football clubs changed the status of people from fan to customer that it all become a bit tedious, thee is just no atmosphere at games anymore and to be honest it's all a bit boring, elitist, more about revenue and sales forecasts than atmosphere and banter.

I don't like modern football

I tend to agree modern football does have no atmosphere mr potato head i think your spot on

You and I know a lot of people who just don't like the new stadium also grangetown has gone shit all the pubs have gone ,I hate the Cornwall


all the pubs have gone cause the areas full of Muslims who dont drink beer and the cornwall is surrounded by police every time i go past

The place is finished fella poles,romanians the lot.Don't believe the myth about muslims not drinking though fella sai la vie on clare road is full of them day in day out gambling,drinking the lot also legends opposite is
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Postby Leytonstoneblue » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:21 am

As our two respectable crowds this season were against the two big draws in this league (Villa and Leeds) its plain to see that the Cardiff public will only turn out when there is something more on offer than just a bog standard championship game.
It seems now that, winning is not enough for the Cardiff supporter, there needs to be something more on offer, like the dislike and rivalry of a club like Leeds or the taking of a big scalp like Villa. Which is fair enough, because the club have been swashing around the Championship now for the last 14 years. (bar one dreadful and forgettable year in the Premier!!) We badly need a promotion to the Premier, to get a new set of supporters re-invigorated with the club. Lets not forget, that anyone under 25 has only ever know the dominance of the Premier League, its wall to wall on TV and the internet, so its essential to spend some time there as a club, to really grow the fan base. For the lack of crowds we have blamed the re-brand, Tan, The ground, Too expensive, turgid football, rubbish managers, when in fact its just that supporters are bored with being in this particular division.
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Postby skiprat » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:31 am

Leytonstone blue.your post is absolutely spot on.
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Postby Flyingpostman » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:40 pm

Leytonstoneblue wrote:As our two respectable crowds this season were against the two big draws in this league (Villa and Leeds) its plain to see that the Cardiff public will only turn out when there is something more on offer than just a bog standard championship game.
It seems now that, winning is not enough for the Cardiff supporter, there needs to be something more on offer, like the dislike and rivalry of a club like Leeds or the taking of a big scalp like Villa. Which is fair enough, because the club have been swashing around the Championship now for the last 14 years. (bar one dreadful and forgettable year in the Premier!!) We badly need a promotion to the Premier, to get a new set of supporters re-invigorated with the club. Lets not forget, that anyone under 25 has only ever know the dominance of the Premier League, its wall to wall on TV and the internet, so its essential to spend some time there as a club, to really grow the fan base. For the lack of crowds we have blamed the re-brand, Tan, The ground, Too expensive, turgid football, rubbish managers, when in fact its just that supporters are bored with being in this particular division.




Agree with part of this but a lot of people were turned off with the post Malky saga on top of all the rebrand shite . Ole , Slade and Trollope were playing dire football and there was no connection with fans at all , why would anyone want to spend the money to come and watch the shite we were playing week in week out .

I feel that a lot of fans are becoming re-invigorated with the return of Warnock to the club and people are starting to come back as there is a buzz around the place ( ok we are 2nd but even if we were playoffs I feel that this would still be the case) .


We have to realise we will never fill the stadium unless we are in the premiership but we need to look after our hardcore fans and get the more vociferous stone island clad youngsters involved and cheaper away days .

There is too much of a family atmosphere at the club and we are no longer an intimidating/racusous place to come play (bar the leeds game ), I get you have to appeal to a wider market to fill the stadium but lets face it . Our stadium is too big for us to be in the championship and have sub 20k attendances .
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