Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:56 pm
Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:28 pm
Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:51 pm
Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:54 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Makes me laugh when I hear the comment our biggest attendances were when we were playing in red.
Our attendances were growing healthy well before the re-brand. Hence why we had to move into a bigger stadium. The season before the re-brand we had a good first season under Malky where we got to the playoff and a league cup final. We were primed to go up. THEN Tan went and brought his vision in that was a calculated risk. Anyone ever thought why he never brought it in when he first came on the seen?
So for a while his risk looked like it had worked. However this must have been on the back of his mind, the crowds will remain and possible rise higher but what happens if the success doesn't? Well we all know what happened. Yes we had our highest attendances under red but we were also on our way back to dungeon league attendances while the re-brand remained. Our highest attendances was nothing to do with red but getting rid of it stopped us stopped us going back to dungeon league levels.
So back to the question of why are not the crowds returning. We now are back to the level of success we had at the start of Malkys campaign. I recall a few of us when talking about this subject said turning back to blue would NOT make the crowds return but once we start winning again it would. Well it looks like they got that wrong. Perhaps just perhaps some might start seeing that the rebrand has done a lot more damage than they are willing to admit to.
Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:57 pm
stephendavid wrote:Forever Blue wrote:stephendavid wrote:Its a fair question annis when will they get the crowds they deserve....
Stephen, Our club, Our Manager Neil Warnock, the Head of our Supporters Club have all begged for our fans to return and after nearly 5months of pure success they have still not turned up even at virtually give away prices.
Fair point annis,cant do no more than they all have to be honest.No doubt 'they' will all return if we were to reach the premier league lol
Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:59 pm
Bluebird-in-Jackland wrote:That article just goes to show that the rebrand hasn’t really affected attendances. If anything it give us the best attendances we’ve ever had in the championship. I’m not saying I was in favour of it, but it certainly didn’t affect our attendances no matter what many would make you believe in here. The relegation is what give us the bad attendances.
I think it’s just the simple fact of we are nowhere near as big a club as some people think. We all wish we were as big as we think but we’re simply not. Sustained success is the only way to get bigger attendances. Just look at the jacks now they are struggling.
Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:00 pm
nubbsy wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Makes me laugh when I hear the comment our biggest attendances were when we were playing in red.
Our attendances were growing healthy well before the re-brand. Hence why we had to move into a bigger stadium. The season before the re-brand we had a good first season under Malky where we got to the playoff and a league cup final. We were primed to go up. THEN Tan went and brought his vision in that was a calculated risk. Anyone ever thought why he never brought it in when he first came on the seen?
So for a while his risk looked like it had worked. However this must have been on the back of his mind, the crowds will remain and possible rise higher but what happens if the success doesn't? Well we all know what happened. Yes we had our highest attendances under red but we were also on our way back to dungeon league attendances while the re-brand remained. Our highest attendances was nothing to do with red but getting rid of it stopped us stopped us going back to dungeon league levels.
So back to the question of why are not the crowds returning. We now are back to the level of success we had at the start of Malkys campaign. I recall a few of us when talking about this subject said turning back to blue would NOT make the crowds return but once we start winning again it would. Well it looks like they got that wrong. Perhaps just perhaps some might start seeing that the rebrand has done a lot more damage than they are willing to admit to.
Well put. MONEY AND SUCCESS brought us the crowds under the red. If Tan had invested without the rebrand this club would be in a much better state than its in now.
Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:01 pm
nubbsy wrote:What crowds do we 'deserve'?
Why do people keeping thinking that we are 'entitled' to large crowds?
At what point did people start believing that Cardiff City was bigger than what it is?
Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:03 pm
stephendavid wrote:skiprat wrote:"the support ain't there anymore lol" .2010 to present our crowds are at their highest since the 1960s."modern football" is something people actually go and watch rewind to the 80s early 90s the game was on its knees.
A capital city football club,with a population of 341,000,2nd in the division,playing great football an we struggle to get 18k through the gates.......
Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:07 pm
Forever Blue wrote:stephendavid wrote:skiprat wrote:"the support ain't there anymore lol" .2010 to present our crowds are at their highest since the 1960s."modern football" is something people actually go and watch rewind to the 80s early 90s the game was on its knees.
A capital city football club,with a population of 341,000,2nd in the division,playing great football an we struggle to get 18k through the gates.......
Stephen,
And 1.2mill including our City itself with in 10 miles and No other real Football Club to compete with
Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:09 pm
Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:14 pm
stephendavid wrote:Our biggest crowds were in the premier league as all the glory hunters jumped on the bandwagon an wanted to see the away side play FACT
Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:46 pm
dogfound wrote:skiprat wrote:They have to establish themselves in the premier league and win a major trophy.something they haven't done for 90 years.then I believe they would get a solid 26/27 average ala stoke/wba .the championship and lower leagues is done and dusted as far as Cardiff is concerned the public are not buying into it even at knocdown prices.
your on the mark here..its no accident that in that list Annis put up regarding clubs success our FA cup win put us at 33rd most successful ...and our average all time crowds are also 33rd best....and the top 9 successful clubs on that list also happen to be the 9 best supported.
the crowds we deserve..?.
since i started watching Cardiff we have been relegated to the 4th tier 4 times..which obviously has the opposite effect to crowds to that success brings . NO other club that has bigger averages has suffered that fate...
so maybe we are getting what we deserve and need a prolonged period in the premier league to witness any significant growth.
Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:51 pm
Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:13 pm
rumpo kid wrote:I’ve been to 4 games in the new stadium, after being a Ninian regular for 30+ years..
Going to that stadium is like visiting a f****n mortuary for me - it’s cold, sterile, and generally miserable.
Maybe the club should have thought about how the fans would like the new stadium. A drummer for f***s sake. People are voting with their feet.
They only have themselves to blame.
Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:56 pm
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:25 am
wez1927 wrote:stephendavid wrote:Mr Potato wrote:I don't think it's a coincidence that since football clubs changed the status of people from fan to customer that it all become a bit tedious, thee is just no atmosphere at games anymore and to be honest it's all a bit boring, elitist, more about revenue and sales forecasts than atmosphere and banter.
I don't like modern football
I tend to agree modern football does have no atmosphere mr potato head i think your spot on
You and I know a lot of people who just don't like the new stadium also grangetown has gone shit all the pubs have gone ,I hate the Cornwall
Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:55 am
bluuebird69 wrote:wez1927 wrote:stephendavid wrote:Mr Potato wrote:I don't think it's a coincidence that since football clubs changed the status of people from fan to customer that it all become a bit tedious, thee is just no atmosphere at games anymore and to be honest it's all a bit boring, elitist, more about revenue and sales forecasts than atmosphere and banter.
I don't like modern football
I tend to agree modern football does have no atmosphere mr potato head i think your spot on
You and I know a lot of people who just don't like the new stadium also grangetown has gone shit all the pubs have gone ,I hate the Cornwall
all the pubs have gone cause the areas full of Muslims who dont drink beer and the cornwall is surrounded by police every time i go past
Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:21 am
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:40 pm
Leytonstoneblue wrote:As our two respectable crowds this season were against the two big draws in this league (Villa and Leeds) its plain to see that the Cardiff public will only turn out when there is something more on offer than just a bog standard championship game.
It seems now that, winning is not enough for the Cardiff supporter, there needs to be something more on offer, like the dislike and rivalry of a club like Leeds or the taking of a big scalp like Villa. Which is fair enough, because the club have been swashing around the Championship now for the last 14 years. (bar one dreadful and forgettable year in the Premier!!) We badly need a promotion to the Premier, to get a new set of supporters re-invigorated with the club. Lets not forget, that anyone under 25 has only ever know the dominance of the Premier League, its wall to wall on TV and the internet, so its essential to spend some time there as a club, to really grow the fan base. For the lack of crowds we have blamed the re-brand, Tan, The ground, Too expensive, turgid football, rubbish managers, when in fact its just that supporters are bored with being in this particular division.