Vince Alm:" Bristol City ticket allocation the facts! "

VINCE ALM HEAD OF CARDIFF CITY SUPPORTERS CLUB


Vince Alm:


Bristol City ticket allocation the facts!

There is a lot of speculation on social media regarding Bristol City allocation, below is a timeline of events that led to the reduced allocation and Sunday 12 o clock kick off;

Bristol City communicate Cardiff City regarding allocation and kick off time;

Police wanted some kind of restriction on the fixture after some Bristol City fans caused disorder during the past two seasons with 35 arrests 2 years ago vandalising a bar that had been allocated to them, causing criminal damage during the escort and clashing with the police.

There were a further 29 arrests last season after clashes with stewards and police under the stands leading to a steward being kicked unconscious.

Cardiff City managed to agree with South wales police an allocation of 2460 tickets with a 3 o clock kick off for Bristol City, providing their fans went to a soft ticket exchange. Bristol City refused the restriction and wanted their supporters to be able to travel without travel restrictions.

Cardiff City FC went back to the police, and South wales police agreed no restrictions, if the kick off was brought forward to 12 o clock and ticket restrictions imposed with a reduction of 1000 tickets to 1460.

The reason for the game to be moved to Sunday midday kick off was agreed by the managers of both clubs; 18th February Norwich play Ipswich for the tractor derby leading to our fixture with Ipswich scheduled for 20th being moved to 21st. Bristol City also play Leeds with 16.30 kick off on the 18th and have rearranged their Fixture scheduled for the 20th to the 21st February against Fulham. Both managers wanted the extra day off and requested a date change.

Hope this clears up the speculation for those who are interested in it and currently debating it.



BRISTOL CITY FANS IN CARDIFF IN 2013 AFTER WRECKING A PUB FULL OF THEIR OWN FANS WITH JUST 3 BAR STAFF IN THEIR INCL 2 WOMEN BAR STAFF.

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If we play Bristol City now at Ashton Gate again next season incidents like below will mean Cardiff City will have their away support restricted again.

Approx 8 Cardiff fans on to 2 Bristol City fan, with further skirmishes resulting in about a dozen arrests later by South Wales Police.



Stomach-churning footage shows a group of football fans viciously attack one man after rivals Bristol City and Cardiff City played each other on Saturday afternoon.
The victim is repeatedly punched and kicked by a large group of young men as he lies on the ground near the Robins' Ashton Gate stadium on Ashton Road in Bristol.
The victim struggles to his feet and tries to block the vicious onslaught with his arms as the violent attack continues.
A police officer holding a large baton then rushes into the middle of the heaving mass of men and breaks up the fight.


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Footage shows massive police escort for rowdy Cardiff City fans through Bristol city centre
The Severnside Derby between Bristol City FC and Cardiff City FC is a huge game and Avon and Somerset Police have joined forces with Heddlu Dyfed Powys to avoid trouble

Bristol Post

4th Nov 2017

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Bristol City Football thugs banned after Cardiff violence
2 August 2013


Clockwise: Dean Ford, James Lubruna, Michael Harding, Duran Thaws, Luke Selman

The five ringleaders of the violence have been given lengthy football match bans. Clockwise: Dean Ford, James Lubruna, Michael Harding, Duran Thaws, Luke Selman

A group of Bristol City football supporters who rampaged through a pub after a match against Cardiff City in the Welsh capital have been handed lengthy bans from grounds.

Violence flared following the game in February outside Cardiff City Stadium and on St Mary Street in the city.

Hooligans smashed furniture at the Great Western pub and let off flares.

The five ringleaders were banned from all football grounds for between five and eight years.

South Wales Police mounted a detailed investigation to arrest those responsible for the disorder, painstakingly going through CCTV footage to identify the offenders.
These are not scenes we are used to seeing in Cardiff and we are committed to keeping football a safe environment
PC Christian Evans, Football liason officer, South Wales Police
In total, 32 men have been convicted of public order offences as a result of Operation Panther.

The majority of those caught on camera have been handed three year banning orders by Cardiff magistrates.

But the main culprits of the violence - all from the Bristol area - have been given extended bans, after hearings in Cardiff on Thursday.

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Football ban for 'cowardly' fan who assaulted Cardiff City steward

3rd November 2016

Police said there were a number of flashpoints at Cardiff City Stadium

6 arrests in total

The steward was assaulted at Cardiff City Stadium

A Bristol City fan is starting his second football ban after he was found guilty of assaulting a Cardiff City steward who needed hospital treatment.

Flares were set off during raucous scenes before the game at the Cardiff City Stadium on Friday, October 14, and investigations are ongoing to identify others who caused trouble at the Championship fixture.

Ki Stone, 25, from Lydney, Gloucester, was handed a five-year football banning order together with a 16-week prison sentence, which was suspended for 12 months, at Cardiff Magistrates’ Court for his attack on the steward.

He was also ordered to pay a total of £700 in fines, costs and compensation.

He received his last ban in 2013 and was one of 32 travelling fans prosecuted for public disorder during the match against Cardiff City in February of that year.

'Stupidity'

The court heard how the steward needed hospital treatment after being punched and kicked by Stone at the match last month.

PC Chris Evans, from the South Wales Police football unit, said: “This was a cowardly attack on a man who was there just doing his job to ensure safety of people at the game.

“Had it not been for a police officer who put himself between Ki Stone and the steward the attack would have continued.

“There is absolutely no place for this stupidity in football. He’ll now be prevented from accessing any football match throughout Europe for five years.

“If he is even a football fan, and I doubt it, he’ll be enjoying what he can well away from the action on the pitch, which is where he belongs.

“Anybody else who was behind the disorder at the stadium that day should be looking over their shoulder because a post-match inquiry is currently ongoing to identify others.”

Around 2,000 Bristol City fans made the short trip to the city for the Severnside derby.

Ahead of the game a group of supporters were captured singing, chanting and jumping on the stadium concourse before a flare was set off and pints of beer were thrown in the air.

Six people were arrested in total.

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Make the home and away bubble games. Both clubs must take responsibility for implementing this before something serious happens. Like everything else in this country we only take action after the event, when it is to late.

Make the home and away bubble games. Both clubs must take responsibility for implementing this before something serious happens. Like everything else in this country we only take action after the event, when it is to late.

My view, I can see it now being both ways, with both clubs now only getting half their allocations in future and more restrictions on both clubs returning.

The trouble is actually nothing compared to the 80's/90's & early 2000's. In fact over all when I have gone in recent years been the calmest I have seen it.

Make the home and away bubble games. Both clubs must take responsibility for implementing this before something serious happens. Like everything else in this country we only take action after the event, when it is to late.

My view, I can see it now being both ways, with both clubs now only getting half their allocations in future and more restrictions on both clubs returning.

The trouble is actually nothing compared to the 80's/90's & early 2000's. In fact over all when I have gone in recent years been the calmest I have seen it.

there needs to be a good reason to restrict tickets.


as Vince pointed out, there has been over 60 arrests made of bristol fans in the last two fixtures.

completely justified

Make the home and away bubble games. Both clubs must take responsibility for implementing this before something serious happens. Like everything else in this country we only take action after the event, when it is to late.

My view, I can see it now being both ways, with both clubs now only getting half their allocations in future and more restrictions on both clubs returning.

The trouble is actually nothing compared to the 80's/90's & early 2000's. In fact over all when I have gone in recent years been the calmest I have seen it.

there needs to be a good reason to restrict tickets.


as Vince pointed out, there has been over 60 arrests made of bristol fans in the last two fixtures.

completely justified

Paulh, yet Cardiff police put out that we only had 9 arrests last season in Cardiff the whole of last season and about 11 the year before and something like 7 the year before.

This season there quite a few disturbances at their place by Cardiff fans, I can now sadly see the fixture going back to ticket exchange with half the allocations for both clubs.

I've looked all over google and can't find Bristol causing major in trouble for years other than nearly 5 years ago.
There was the steward being attacked, but then Cardiff youngsters attacked one Bristol fan on his own this season.

Make the home and away bubble games. Both clubs must take responsibility for implementing this before something serious happens. Like everything else in this country we only take action after the event, when it is to late.

My view, I can see it now being both ways, with both clubs now only getting half their allocations in future and more restrictions on both clubs returning.

The trouble is actually nothing compared to the 80's/90's & early 2000's. In fact over all when I have gone in recent years been the calmest I have seen it.

there needs to be a good reason to restrict tickets.


as Vince pointed out, there has been over 60 arrests made of bristol fans in the last two fixtures.

completely justified

Complete justification will be when individuals like these above have served time for their crimes. Banning orders for be is just a token gesture that is basically a joke. Personally besides them serving time I would make them do community jobs like tidying the football grounds doing crap jobs in front of the public for everyone to see. Make them clean the toilets with a toothbrush after a game or perhaps strap them into old wooden stocks outside the ground before 3PM on a Saturday afternoon.

In this day and age, the Police cannot make up arrest statistics. If a large number of arrests were made away from the ground, then they would have gone through the legal process as regular public order offences, not football related incidents, thus not immediately drawing attention to the game.

If, as you say, there have been no issues when Cardiff fans have gone to Bristol, then our allocation over there should not be affected. The restrictions are put on by the Police, not the clubs.

I’m with the powers that be on this one. We don’t want a return to the bad old days.

In this day and age, the Police cannot make up arrest statistics. If a large number of arrests were made away from the ground, then they would have gone through the legal process as regular public order offences, not football related incidents, thus not immediately drawing attention to the game.

If, as you say, there have been no issues when Cardiff fans have gone to Bristol, then our allocation over there should not be affected. The restrictions are put on by the Police, not the clubs.

I’m with the powers that be on this one. We don’t want a return to the bad old days.

This season there were four incidents of fighting taking place between Ashton gate and the Temple Meads train station.
Two quite bad fights all involving Cardiff's youngsters, so yes I do think Bristol City will now prob do the same back to us. Hopefully we are promoted and this won't happen

Make the home and away bubble games. Both clubs must take responsibility for implementing this before something serious happens. Like everything else in this country we only take action after the event, when it is to late.

My view, I can see it now being both ways, with both clubs now only getting half their allocations in future and more restrictions on both clubs returning.

The trouble is actually nothing compared to the 80's/90's & early 2000's. In fact over all when I have gone in recent years been the calmest I have seen it.

there needs to be a good reason to restrict tickets.


as Vince pointed out, there has been over 60 arrests made of bristol fans in the last two fixtures.

completely justified

No, just better management of Bristol City fans by authorities; even if that mans it is a 'bubble' game

The vast majority of fans don't cause any issues and are now being penalised by the morons amongst them. It is clear some see a (comparatively) 'local derby' as a golden opportunity to cause trouble but they are still relatively small in number and the fact the game is now at midday on a Sunday means both travel and drinking before kick-off will be tough to achieve.

As I said previously, our own fans would be/have been 'up in arms' for similar restrictions being placed upon us and there is a greater picture here than the fact it's Bristol City and a few of their fans were allowed the freedom to run amok

Proper planning, monitoring and near zero tolerance of drunks and clear troublemakers will have sufficed

Make the home and away bubble games. Both clubs must take responsibility for implementing this before something serious happens. Like everything else in this country we only take action after the event, when it is to late.

My view, I can see it now being both ways, with both clubs now only getting half their allocations in future and more restrictions on both clubs returning.

The trouble is actually nothing compared to the 80's/90's & early 2000's. In fact over all when I have gone in recent years been the calmest I have seen it.

there needs to be a good reason to restrict tickets.


as Vince pointed out, there has been over 60 arrests made of bristol fans in the last two fixtures.

completely justified

No, just better management of Bristol City fans by authorities; even if that mans it is a 'bubble' game

The vast majority of fans don't cause any issues and are now being penalised by the morons amongst them. It is clear some see a (comparatively) 'local derby' as a golden opportunity to cause trouble but they are still relatively small in number and the fact the game is now at midday on a Sunday means both travel and drinking before kick-off will be tough to achieve.

As I said previously, our own fans would be/have been 'up in arms' for similar restrictions being placed upon us and there is a greater picture here than the fact it's Bristol City and a few of their fans were allowed the freedom to run amok

Proper planning, monitoring and near zero tolerance of drunks and clear troublemakers will have sufficed

bubble game was first suggested but brizzle didnt want it

Make the home and away bubble games. Both clubs must take responsibility for implementing this before something serious happens. Like everything else in this country we only take action after the event, when it is to late.

My view, I can see it now being both ways, with both clubs now only getting half their allocations in future and more restrictions on both clubs returning.

The trouble is actually nothing compared to the 80's/90's & early 2000's. In fact over all when I have gone in recent years been the calmest I have seen it.

there needs to be a good reason to restrict tickets.


as Vince pointed out, there has been over 60 arrests made of bristol fans in the last two fixtures.

completely justified

No, just better management of Bristol City fans by authorities; even if that mans it is a 'bubble' game

The vast majority of fans don't cause any issues and are now being penalised by the morons amongst them. It is clear some see a (comparatively) 'local derby' as a golden opportunity to cause trouble but they are still relatively small in number and the fact the game is now at midday on a Sunday means both travel and drinking before kick-off will be tough to achieve.

As I said previously, our own fans would be/have been 'up in arms' for similar restrictions being placed upon us and there is a greater picture here than the fact it's Bristol City and a few of their fans were allowed the freedom to run amok

Proper planning, monitoring and near zero tolerance of drunks and clear troublemakers will have sufficed

bubble game was first suggested but brizzle didnt want it

Appreciate that and I see that it was part Bristol City's decision but my view is that restricting attendances on a Sunday morning for the sake of a few idiots just plays into their hands...and we don't know that some of those idiots won't be eligible for tickets in the smaller group anyway

Zero tolerance on the day with an early return ticket to Bristol Parkway provided

4 of us walked back to the station in Bristol this year, each with a pint and didn't see or hear anything all day.

I would say GROW UP! being a yob at football matches isn't clever anymore. If you go to a game watch the game and support your team that's all that is required, then there is no need for restrictions. I agree with restrictions on away fans if they cause trouble, be it City fans or another club's fans. No place for hooligans these days. Oh and if you are stupid enough to get in trouble you won't get away with it with all the police cameras about, face your punishment like a man!

In this day and age, the Police cannot make up arrest statistics. If a large number of arrests were made away from the ground, then they would have gone through the legal process as regular public order offences, not football related incidents, thus not immediately drawing attention to the game.

If, as you say, there have been no issues when Cardiff fans have gone to Bristol, then our allocation over there should not be affected. The restrictions are put on by the Police, not the clubs.

I’m with the powers that be on this one. We don’t want a return to the bad old days.

This season there were four incidents of fighting taking place between Ashton gate and the Temple Meads train station.
Two quite bad fights all involving Cardiff's youngsters, so yes I do think Bristol City will now prob do the same back to us. Hopefully we are promoted and this won't happen

Annis, Bristol City FC cannot refuse us 10% of capacity, same as we cannot refuse them 10% either, but at our end it is the police that put the restriction on Bristol. So, if Bristol police do not put any restriction on us, then Bristol have to give us the 10%

This is the EFL Rules and no exceptions unless there are building works going on that reduce their capacity

In this day and age, the Police cannot make up arrest statistics. If a large number of arrests were made away from the ground, then they would have gone through the legal process as regular public order offences, not football related incidents, thus not immediately drawing attention to the game.

If, as you say, there have been no issues when Cardiff fans have gone to Bristol, then our allocation over there should not be affected. The restrictions are put on by the Police, not the clubs.

I’m with the powers that be on this one. We don’t want a return to the bad old days.

This season there were four incidents of fighting taking place between Ashton gate and the Temple Meads train station.
Two quite bad fights all involving Cardiff's youngsters, so yes I do think Bristol City will now prob do the same back to us. Hopefully we are promoted and this won't happen

Annis Bristol fc cannot refuse us 10% of capacity, same as we cannot refuse them 10% but, on our end it is the police that put the restriction on Bristol, so if Bristol police do not put any restriction on us, then Bristol have to give us the 10%. This is the EFL rules, no exceptions unless there is building works going on that reduce their capacity :thumbup:

But Police will prob advice them the same way as it was our fans who were fighting in different areas this season at their place.

Be very interesting to see what happens, hopefully nothing dies get put on us

I've read quite a few posts of disgruntled Bristol City fans since the ticket allocation was announced and as I'm in contact with two of their fans, I told them that I thought the reasons for the limited ticket allocation would be for the problems they have caused in the last couple of seasons, e.g. turning up in Canton last season hours before kick off. It didn't do them any favours at all and just ruined it for the supporters who wanted to come without any restrictions