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Postby davids » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:20 pm

:o :o :o

According to Warnock, Stroud's reason for not blowing the whistle when he did was that he didn't see Sol Bamba putting the ball in the net! :o :o :o :o

So a chump who is refereeing in a game which could have implications on promotion to the richest league in world football is in a position on the pitch where he can't see a six foot six bloke wearing a shirt that's brighter than the sun!

If that's the real reason why he didn't give the goal then he should take a long hard look at himself and whoever was the referee's assessor at the game should be recommending a lengthy period of retraining for Mr Stroud.
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Postby pembroke allan » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:27 pm

davids wrote::o :o :o

According to Warnock, Stroud's reason for not blowing the whistle when he did was that he didn't see Sol Bamba putting the ball in the net! :o :o :o :o

So a chump who is refereeing in a game which could have implications on promotion to the richest league in world football is in a position on the pitch where he can't see a six foot six bloke wearing a shirt that's brighter than the sun!

If that's the real reason why he didn't give the goal then he should take a long hard look at himself and whoever was the referee's assessor at the game should be recommending a lengthy period of retraining for Mr Stroud.


The reason didn't see bamba score was because he turned away at that precise moment to look at paterson on floor for 2nd time! ! Ref today in spurs game gave longer advantage and ball was on edge area not 6yds out? Shows stroud didn't wait long enough to see what happened. :old:
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby davids » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:42 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
davids wrote::o :o :o

According to Warnock, Stroud's reason for not blowing the whistle when he did was that he didn't see Sol Bamba putting the ball in the net! :o :o :o :o

So a chump who is refereeing in a game which could have implications on promotion to the richest league in world football is in a position on the pitch where he can't see a six foot six bloke wearing a shirt that's brighter than the sun!

If that's the real reason why he didn't give the goal then he should take a long hard look at himself and whoever was the referee's assessor at the game should be recommending a lengthy period of retraining for Mr Stroud.


The reason didn't see bamba score was because he turned away at that precise moment to look at paterson on floor for 2nd time! ! Ref today in spurs game gave longer advantage and ball was on edge area not 6yds out? Shows stroud didn't wait long enough to see what happened. :old:


Think it was Bennett on the ground who was absolutely smashed by Morison who didn't even get a booking for it.

It's the fact that he allowed play to go on for a few seconds and that he then blew the whistle whilst the advantage was still being taken that shows what an absolute shocker of a decision it was.

He's got form as being an absolute liability as a ref and yet still gets given games at a standard which is plainly way above his ability as a ref.

If he turned up to referee your game on a Sunday morning in the pub league he'd still be out of his depth.
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby pembroke allan » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:21 pm

davids wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
davids wrote::o :o :o

According to Warnock, Stroud's reason for not blowing the whistle when he did was that he didn't see Sol Bamba putting the ball in the net! :o :o :o :o

So a chump who is refereeing in a game which could have implications on promotion to the richest league in world football is in a position on the pitch where he can't see a six foot six bloke wearing a shirt that's brighter than the sun!

If that's the real reason why he didn't give the goal then he should take a long hard look at himself and whoever was the referee's assessor at the game should be recommending a lengthy period of retraining for Mr Stroud.


The reason didn't see bamba score was because he turned away at that precise moment to look at paterson on floor for 2nd time! ! Ref today in spurs game gave longer advantage and ball was on edge area not 6yds out? Shows stroud didn't wait long enough to see what happened. :old:


Think it was Bennett on the ground who was absolutely smashed by Morison who didn't even get a booking for it.

It's the fact that he allowed play to go on for a few seconds and that he then blew the whistle whilst the advantage was still being taken that shows what an absolute shocker of a decision it was.

He's got form as being an absolute liability as a ref and yet still gets given games at a standard which is plainly way above his ability as a ref.

If he turned up to referee your game on a Sunday morning in the pub league he'd still be out of his depth.



Well hopefully the assessment of him showed him what a tw*t he was! He had choice of what to do he started out with right one but then completely ballsed it up,
The big question is why allow play to go on for a second or 2 then stop it when at precise moment player kicks ball? He knew Bennett was ok as already looked at him get impression he wasn't going to give free kick as should blown up straight away. :old:
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby davids » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:34 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
davids wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
davids wrote::o :o :o

According to Warnock, Stroud's reason for not blowing the whistle when he did was that he didn't see Sol Bamba putting the ball in the net! :o :o :o :o

So a chump who is refereeing in a game which could have implications on promotion to the richest league in world football is in a position on the pitch where he can't see a six foot six bloke wearing a shirt that's brighter than the sun!

If that's the real reason why he didn't give the goal then he should take a long hard look at himself and whoever was the referee's assessor at the game should be recommending a lengthy period of retraining for Mr Stroud.


The reason didn't see bamba score was because he turned away at that precise moment to look at paterson on floor for 2nd time! ! Ref today in spurs game gave longer advantage and ball was on edge area not 6yds out? Shows stroud didn't wait long enough to see what happened. :old:


Think it was Bennett on the ground who was absolutely smashed by Morison who didn't even get a booking for it.

It's the fact that he allowed play to go on for a few seconds and that he then blew the whistle whilst the advantage was still being taken that shows what an absolute shocker of a decision it was.

He's got form as being an absolute liability as a ref and yet still gets given games at a standard which is plainly way above his ability as a ref.

If he turned up to referee your game on a Sunday morning in the pub league he'd still be out of his depth.



Well hopefully the assessment of him showed him what a tw*t he was! He had choice of what to do he started out with right one but then completely ballsed it up,
The big question is why allow play to go on for a second or 2 then stop it when at precise moment player kicks ball? He knew Bennett was ok as already looked at him get impression he wasn't going to give free kick as should blown up straight away. :old:


Exactly.

Mistake after mistake.

Remember that Sunderland game away in the Premier League where the ref played advantage after Cala fouled Wickham and after play carried on for about 5 seconds whilst Wickham went round Marshall and missed, the ref decided that there had not been enough of an advantage simply because he didn't score, so sent Cala off and gave Sunderland a penalty.

Can't remember when we last genuinely benefited from an advantage being played.
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby pembroke allan » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:47 pm

davids wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
davids wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
davids wrote::o :o :o

According to Warnock, Stroud's reason for not blowing the whistle when he did was that he didn't see Sol Bamba putting the ball in the net! :o :o :o :o

So a chump who is refereeing in a game which could have implications on promotion to the richest league in world football is in a position on the pitch where he can't see a six foot six bloke wearing a shirt that's brighter than the sun!

If that's the real reason why he didn't give the goal then he should take a long hard look at himself and whoever was the referee's assessor at the game should be recommending a lengthy period of retraining for Mr Stroud.


The reason didn't see bamba score was because he turned away at that precise moment to look at paterson on floor for 2nd time! ! Ref today in spurs game gave longer advantage and ball was on edge area not 6yds out? Shows stroud didn't wait long enough to see what happened. :old:


Think it was Bennett on the ground who was absolutely smashed by Morison who didn't even get a booking for it.

It's the fact that he allowed play to go on for a few seconds and that he then blew the whistle whilst the advantage was still being taken that shows what an absolute shocker of a decision it was.

He's got form as being an absolute liability as a ref and yet still gets given games at a standard which is plainly way above his ability as a ref.

If he turned up to referee your game on a Sunday morning in the pub league he'd still be out of his depth.



Well hopefully the assessment of him showed him what a tw*t he was! He had choice of what to do he started out with right one but then completely ballsed it up,
The big question is why allow play to go on for a second or 2 then stop it when at precise moment player kicks ball? He knew Bennett was ok as already looked at him get impression he wasn't going to give free kick as should blown up straight away. :old:


Exactly.

Mistake after mistake.

Remember that Sunderland game away in the Premier League where the ref played advantage after Cala fouled Wickham and after play carried on for about 5 seconds whilst Wickham went round Marshall and missed, the ref decided that there had not been enough of an advantage simply because he didn't score, so sent Cala off and gave Sunderland a penalty.

Can't remember when we last genuinely benefited from an advantage being played.


What makes this an appalling decision he didn't look to see what was going to happen next? especially as ball was 6yds out with city player going for ball what possessed him to look away at such a critical moment?
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby bluemun » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:02 pm

On a number of other occasions before the 'goal' he failed to play advantage. It was almost like he'd never heard of the rule!
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby Cantonblu » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:26 am

Cannot believe that there not coming down hard on these complete blunder's from blindfolded referee's.
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby 1980s Bluebird » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:23 am

He could have over ruled his own decision and given the goal....he bottled it simple as that.
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby paulh_85 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:34 am

1980s Bluebird wrote:He could have over ruled his own decision and given the goal....he bottled it simple as that.




No he couldn’t have
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby 1980s Bluebird » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:51 am

Oh yes he could :D
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby paulh_85 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:54 am

1980s Bluebird wrote:Oh yes he could :D



Not possible :thumbright:
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby pembroke allan » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:13 am

Got love NW he said bamba is 6ft 4ins so stroud couldn't see him could he? :laughing6:
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby AV3 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:30 am

A few of us were talking about this incident at the game yesterday.

Needless to say we were all happy that the goal wasn't given but everyone was in agreement that the goal should have stood.

If the ref genuinely didn't see the player in that bright shirt, then he must have been really flapping. It's a terrible decision and if those 2 points cost you at the end of the season, I will really feel for you.

I don't think the ref can change a decision once he has blown his whistle though - It's different to getting a second opinion on an incident by using video evidence.
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby davids » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:21 pm

AV3 wrote:A few of us were talking about this incident at the game yesterday.

Needless to say we were all happy that the goal wasn't given but everyone was in agreement that the goal should have stood.

If the ref genuinely didn't see the player in that bright shirt, then he must have been really flapping. It's a terrible decision and if those 2 points cost you at the end of the season, I will really feel for you.

I don't think the ref can change a decision once he has blown his whistle though - It's different to getting a second opinion on an incident by using video evidence.


What a run your boys are on AV3.

Strange to think that at the start of the season (including after the game at our place) many Villa fans were calling for Steve Bruce to be sacked - I assume there are no such rumblings of discontent any more?

Although my heart wants us to get second place obviously, my head says that it will be between Villa and Derby for automatic promotion and that it could go right down to the wire.
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby AV3 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:52 pm

People were calling for his head as recently as Boxing Day mate, after we lost at Brentford. I was probably one of them as I'm not a fan. It may be coincidence but this run we're on has coincided with Steve Agnew joining us as an attacking coach.

I see it as a 4 horse race for second as I wouldn't discount Fulham.
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby Bluebird For Life » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:26 pm

AV3 wrote:People were calling for his head as recently as Boxing Day mate, after we lost at Brentford. I was probably one of them as I'm not a fan. It may be coincidence but this run we're on has coincided with Steve Agnew joining us as an attacking coach.

I see it as a 4 horse race for second as I wouldn't discount Fulham.


Villa are in the driving seat after a great run of results, but I think Fulham are the biggest threat for second to them. Unfortunately, it seems as though our Christmas results are going to cost us the chance of an automatic place.
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby DandoCCFC » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:40 pm

paulh_85 wrote:
1980s Bluebird wrote:He could have over ruled his own decision and given the goal....he bottled it simple as that.




No he couldn’t have


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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby AV3 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:20 pm

DandoCCFC wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
1980s Bluebird wrote:He could have over ruled his own decision and given the goal....he bottled it simple as that.




No he couldn’t have


Why not?


Because once he blows the whistle, play stops. Imagine if a ref blew the whistle and a goalie didn't bother diving because he was playing to the whistle? You can't say "hard luck - You should have dived just in case". The golden rule is to play to the whistle and if the ref blows, then play is dead. He cannot bring that play back to life again once he's stopped it.

A ref can only change a decision if the ball has remained live throughout the incident. As soon as it is dead, nothing can be done.
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby pembroke allan » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:06 pm

AV3 wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
1980s Bluebird wrote:He could have over ruled his own decision and given the goal....he bottled it simple as that.




No he couldn’t have


Why not?


Because once he blows the whistle, play stops. Imagine if a ref blew the whistle and a goalie didn't bother diving because he was playing to the whistle? You can't say "hard luck - You should have dived just in case". The golden rule is to play to the whistle and if the ref blows, then play is dead. He cannot bring that play back to life again once he's stopped it.

A ref can only change a decision if the ball has remained live throughout the incident. As soon as it is dead, nothing can be done.



Not strictly true ref can bring back play after he's stopped play for another incident if it is a penalty incident off the ball Eg a player head butting an apponent inside pen area he will award pen! Sure it Happened to city many years ago! But otherwise your correct ref blows that's it can't play on
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Re: So Keith Stroud didn't see Bamba

Postby AV3 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:57 am

That is exactly what I said:

"A referee can only change a decision if the ball has remained live throughout the incident "

Which would be the case in your scenario.
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