carlccfc wrote:I have a theory on why our attendances are not as high as they were in the 2012-13 season.
1. We came over from Ninian Park a few seasons previous with 18,000 approx season ticket holders then we had the 5 yr price freeze so were in the middle of that offer during the 2012-13 season.
2. Didn’t the Premier sears sign up for 5 season deals and those numbers have dropped too.
3. This is the most inportant point for me, at the beginning of the 2012-13 season we all know the rebrand of CCFC took place, the Echo, the club and other media outlets championed the £100m investment into the club and this I believe was the catalyst for the increase in attendances that season, the public were excited by the investment and as such we saw increased crowds. We were promoted that season, so the following season the crowds were guaranteed virtually because of the Premier League. The season following our relegation we held on to fans who lived in hope of an immediate bounce back up to the top flight.
Since then our crowds have been decreasing due the ‘negativity’ surrounding wages cut backs and no more big spending etc.
My personal opinion is that we won’t see big crowds unless we are successful and by that I mean Premier League football now before we see the ‘floaters’ return.
Only my theory but I don’t think it is down to one incident but a number of factors all coming together of a few seasons.
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We have a hardcore fanbase of around 16,000. Not the huge base that people seem to think. There's around 3-5,000 who have stayed away but visit occasionally then the "fairweather/plastic" fan who will go to the glamour games. Just have to accept it
actionman wrote:We’ve lost between 4000/5000 due to the rebrand
carlccfc wrote:I have a theory on why our attendances are not as high as they were in the 2012-13 season.
1. We came over from Ninian Park a few seasons previous with 18,000 approx season ticket holders then we had the 5 yr price freeze so were in the middle of that offer during the 2012-13 season.
2. Didn’t the Premier sears sign up for 5 season deals and those numbers have dropped too.
3. This is the most inportant point for me, at the beginning of the 2012-13 season we all know the rebrand of CCFC took place, the Echo, the club and other media outlets championed the £100m investment into the club and this I believe was the catalyst for the increase in attendances that season, the public were excited by the investment and as such we saw increased crowds. We were promoted that season, so the following season the crowds were guaranteed virtually because of the Premier League. The season following our relegation we held on to fans who lived in hope of an immediate bounce back up to the top flight.
Since then our crowds have been decreasing due the ‘negativity’ surrounding wages cut backs and no more big spending etc.
My personal opinion is that we won’t see big crowds unless we are successful and by that I mean Premier League football now before we see the ‘floaters’ return.
Only my theory but I don’t think it is down to one incident but a number of factors all coming together of a few seasons.
carlccfc wrote:I have a theory on why our attendances are not as high as they were in the 2012-13 season.
1. We came over from Ninian Park a few seasons previous with 18,000 approx season ticket holders then we had the 5 yr price freeze so were in the middle of that offer during the 2012-13 season.
2. Didn’t the Premier sears sign up for 5 season deals and those numbers have dropped too.
3. This is the most inportant point for me, at the beginning of the 2012-13 season we all know the rebrand of CCFC took place, the Echo, the club and other media outlets championed the £100m investment into the club and this I believe was the catalyst for the increase in attendances that season, the public were excited by the investment and as such we saw increased crowds. We were promoted that season, so the following season the crowds were guaranteed virtually because of the Premier League. The season following our relegation we held on to fans who lived in hope of an immediate bounce back up to the top flight.
Since then our crowds have been decreasing due the ‘negativity’ surrounding wages cut backs and no more big spending etc.
My personal opinion is that we won’t see big crowds unless we are successful and by that I mean Premier League football now before we see the ‘floaters’ return.
Only my theory but I don’t think it is down to one incident but a number of factors all coming together of a few seasons.
paulh_85 wrote:actionman wrote:We’ve lost between 4000/5000 due to the rebrand
Lawnmower wrote:CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:Sven wrote:Some pertinent points there, Annis and it's hard to disagree with any of what you write
Something has happened between the 2nd Malky season and the current one and it does appear a lot of previous 'die-hards' have effectively given up (or more likely found other things to do on a match day)
Not just in football but in all walks of life, no matter how regular or loyal they are, if a person stops doing something for more than a short time it becomes difficult to go back and do it again, so the 'habit' breaks
I think that's a lot of what happened here and a lot of very good fans have been lost
Correct Sven.
My dad watched Cardiff from the late 70s ( I think ) and he stopped during the rebrand and has never returned.
He does the occasional away day but that's just for a day out with his mates.
I haven't been to the CCS for years either myself but this season is the closest I've come to attending a home game.
I think Bristol could possibly be my return!
Wasn't the rebrand for him though Liam was it. What he told me was it was everything about modern football. He'd been coming less and less before it.
He'd done it all and was bored and fed up with the way football was going. He'd seen City at Wembley and in the Prem, and been to virtually every league ground.
Sven wrote:Some pertinent points there, Annis and it's hard to disagree with any of what you write
Something has happened between the 2nd Malky season and the current one and it does appear a lot of previous 'die-hards' have effectively given up (or more likely found other things to do on a match day)
Not just in football but in all walks of life, no matter how regular or loyal they are, if a person stops doing something for more than a short time it becomes difficult to go back and do it again, so the 'habit' breaks
I think that's a lot of what happened here and a lot of very good fans have been lost
skiprat wrote:You can alienate 1000s due rebrand or whatever but today is 20/2/18.city are second in the league good stadium cheap tickets 1 million people in and around a vibrant capital city and we cant attract a MINIUM of 20000 for every game is shocking.
paulh_85 wrote:carlccfc wrote:I have a theory on why our attendances are not as high as they were in the 2012-13 season.
1. We came over from Ninian Park a few seasons previous with 18,000 approx season ticket holders then we had the 5 yr price freeze so were in the middle of that offer during the 2012-13 season.
2. Didn’t the Premier sears sign up for 5 season deals and those numbers have dropped too.
3. This is the most inportant point for me, at the beginning of the 2012-13 season we all know the rebrand of CCFC took place, the Echo, the club and other media outlets championed the £100m investment into the club and this I believe was the catalyst for the increase in attendances that season, the public were excited by the investment and as such we saw increased crowds. We were promoted that season, so the following season the crowds were guaranteed virtually because of the Premier League. The season following our relegation we held on to fans who lived in hope of an immediate bounce back up to the top flight.
Since then our crowds have been decreasing due the ‘negativity’ surrounding wages cut backs and no more big spending etc.
My personal opinion is that we won’t see big crowds unless we are successful and by that I mean Premier League football now before we see the ‘floaters’ return.
Only my theory but I don’t think it is down to one incident but a number of factors all coming together of a few seasons.
finally a sensible post on the subject. the club spent years building up the number of season tickets on promises and after the disaster of the premier league that all died away.
the rebrand has of course affected some, but not the level some on here claim
Leytonstoneblue wrote:paulh_85 wrote:carlccfc wrote:I have a theory on why our attendances are not as high as they were in the 2012-13 season.
1. We came over from Ninian Park a few seasons previous with 18,000 approx season ticket holders then we had the 5 yr price freeze so were in the middle of that offer during the 2012-13 season.
2. Didn’t the Premier sears sign up for 5 season deals and those numbers have dropped too.
3. This is the most inportant point for me, at the beginning of the 2012-13 season we all know the rebrand of CCFC took place, the Echo, the club and other media outlets championed the £100m investment into the club and this I believe was the catalyst for the increase in attendances that season, the public were excited by the investment and as such we saw increased crowds. We were promoted that season, so the following season the crowds were guaranteed virtually because of the Premier League. The season following our relegation we held on to fans who lived in hope of an immediate bounce back up to the top flight.
Since then our crowds have been decreasing due the ‘negativity’ surrounding wages cut backs and no more big spending etc.
My personal opinion is that we won’t see big crowds unless we are successful and by that I mean Premier League football now before we see the ‘floaters’ return.
Only my theory but I don’t think it is down to one incident but a number of factors all coming together of a few seasons.
finally a sensible post on the subject. the club spent years building up the number of season tickets on promises and after the disaster of the premier league that all died away.
the rebrand has of course affected some, but not the level some on here claim
Thats a good summation Carl, of the time line of events that resulted in giving us those levels of attendance. However, the one event that has had in my opinion the major effect was the rebrand and all the negativity, bad blood and infighting it brought with it. For many that I have spoken to, it killed a little bit of the passion they felt for the club, even those that carried on going, that episode has changed them and their passion for the club. If you can imagine a world where it never happened and everything else remained the same, then I truly believe that we would have at least 4000 more regular supporters, but that's just my opinion.
Real_Blue_Really wrote:If I attend this Sunday, it'll be my first ever visit to the CCS. After being a regular at Ninian Park. The rebrand still cuts deep. Seeing that photo of so called city fans holding up a red scarf. f**k me, what we're they thinking?
Anybody know if "The Lone gunman" has returned? 5 of my mates still haven't returned since the rebrand. Diehards. Bad loss
paulh_85 wrote:Real_Blue_Really wrote:If I attend this Sunday, it'll be my first ever visit to the CCS. After being a regular at Ninian Park. The rebrand still cuts deep. Seeing that photo of so called city fans holding up a red scarf. f**k me, what we're they thinking?
Anybody know if "The Lone gunman" has returned? 5 of my mates still haven't returned since the rebrand. Diehards. Bad loss
you know we moved to the stadium in 2010 right? in blue?
Real_Blue_Really wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Real_Blue_Really wrote:If I attend this Sunday, it'll be my first ever visit to the CCS. After being a regular at Ninian Park. The rebrand still cuts deep. Seeing that photo of so called city fans holding up a red scarf. f**k me, what we're they thinking?
Anybody know if "The Lone gunman" has returned? 5 of my mates still haven't returned since the rebrand. Diehards. Bad loss
you know we moved to the stadium in 2010 right? in blue?
I couldn't attend back then. But wasn't that bothered as I loved Ninian Park.
paulh_85 wrote:Real_Blue_Really wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Real_Blue_Really wrote:If I attend this Sunday, it'll be my first ever visit to the CCS. After being a regular at Ninian Park. The rebrand still cuts deep. Seeing that photo of so called city fans holding up a red scarf. f**k me, what we're they thinking?
Anybody know if "The Lone gunman" has returned? 5 of my mates still haven't returned since the rebrand. Diehards. Bad loss
you know we moved to the stadium in 2010 right? in blue?
I couldn't attend back then. But wasn't that bothered as I loved Ninian Park.
ok so you lost your love of the club when we moved stadium, not with the rebrand, just double checking
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