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Gaynor Straight wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

Gaynor Straight wrote:

maccydee wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Annis I much prefer to stand at the footy and love the atmosphere however there might well be fans who come who don’t want that and want to sit and watch it in peace. Knowing the mouthful some might get were they to ask someone to sit down would stop someone from coming especially if they felt intimidated.

101 excuses or reasons but all of them valid if that's what the individual feels

To much traffic,its raining,its cold,its live on tv,its a Sunday,its a Tuesday night, fans stand up etc etc

But only at our club




Never heard that for Man City or Leeds game

Why did they not feel that way for those two big games?

Only at our club ?

Wigan (top of the table remember) had 8k for a recent home league game. A few days later 19k turn up to watch Man City.

Gaynor Straight wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

Gaynor Straight wrote:

maccydee wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Annis I much prefer to stand at the footy and love the atmosphere however there might well be fans who come who don’t want that and want to sit and watch it in peace. Knowing the mouthful some might get were they to ask someone to sit down would stop someone from coming especially if they felt intimidated.

101 excuses or reasons but all of them valid if that's what the individual feels

To much traffic,its raining,its cold,its live on tv,its a Sunday,its a Tuesday night, fans stand up etc etc

But only at our club



Never heard that for Man City or Leeds game

Why did they not feel that way for those two big games?

Only at our club ?

Wigan (top of the table remember) had 8k for a recent home league game. A few days later 19k turn up to watch Man City.

maccydee wrote:

CF64 BLUE wrote:People fretting over crowds lower than they would expect for a team flying high.
I'm one of the missing 1000's, used to attend as much as humanly possible as I did and still do shift work.
I would say the third most used word on this forum after"Cardiff" and "City" is "plastic". ex/occasional fans are being called this name on a regular basis, it doesn't really encourage semi interested fans to make the effort to go to matches, it wouldn't and doesn't bother me personally in the least but I think for some it would effect their decision.
I have found a new interest that now uses up my free time and would rather pursue that than follow "The City".
Why doesn't the club do a survey of ex and occasional fans and attempt to get to the reason for disappointing crowds?.
I still occasionally fancy attending a game but can't see me returning to the fold and I first went when Dilwyn John and Gareth Williams played probably around 1965/66ish.
People who don't attend regularly are still keen City fans I have no doubt, there aren't really that many "plastics around as many on here would have us believe.

The shift work / Saturday Work has to be a factor. The jobs people are doing has changed and weekend and evening working has become much more prevalent.

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Not excuse a reason why but I forgot only rebrand is a reason everything else is an excuse?

pembroke allan wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Not excuse a reason why but I forgot only rebrand is a reason everything else is an excuse?

And guess you don't care if you go to game and don't watch it because everyone in front of you stands and gives you abuse because you complain? Yes its a very poor excuse for not returning next game

Gaynor Straight wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

Gaynor Straight wrote:

maccydee wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Annis I much prefer to stand at the footy and love the atmosphere however there might well be fans who come who don’t want that and want to sit and watch it in peace. Knowing the mouthful some might get were they to ask someone to sit down would stop someone from coming especially if they felt intimidated.

101 excuses or reasons but all of them valid if that's what the individual feels

To much traffic,its raining,its cold,its live on tv,its a Sunday,its a Tuesday night, fans stand up etc etc

But only at our club



Never heard that for Man City or Leeds game

Why did they not feel that way for those two big games?

Only at our club ?

Wigan (top of the table remember) had 8k for a recent home league game. A few days later 19k turn up to watch Man City.

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Not excuse a reason why but I forgot only rebrand is a reason everything else is an excuse?

And guess you don't care if you go to game and don't watch it because everyone in front of you stands and gives you abuse because you complain? Yes its a very poor excuse for not returning next game

Comparing Wigan we have to go that low,

If u know yr football, Wigan in 1960's etc were not even in the Leagues and Wigan has never ever had big support,they actually rely on away fans even in the Prem as well.
They are one of the worst supported clubs in football.


I agree a very very poor excuse Allan and noted 102 excuses

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Not excuse a reason why but I forgot only rebrand is a reason everything else is an excuse?

And guess you don't care if you go to game and don't watch it because everyone in front of you stands and gives you abuse because you complain? Yes its a very poor excuse for not returning next game

Comparing Wigan we have to go that low,

If u know yr football, Wigan in 1960's etc were not even in the Leagues and Wigan has never ever had big support,they actually rely on away fans even in the Prem as well.
They are one of the worst supported clubs in football.


I agree a very very poor excuse Allan and noted 102 excuses

maccydee wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Annis I much prefer to stand at the footy and love the atmosphere however there might well be fans who come who don’t want that and want to sit and watch it in peace. Knowing the mouthful some might get were they to ask someone to sit down would stop someone from coming especially if they felt intimidated.

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Not excuse a reason why but I forgot only rebrand is a reason everything else is an excuse?

And guess you don't care if you go to game and don't watch it because everyone in front of you stands and gives you abuse because you complain? Yes its a very poor excuse for not returning next game

Comparing Wigan we have to go that low,

If u know yr football, Wigan in 1960's etc were not even in the Leagues and Wigan has never ever had big support,they actually rely on away fans even in the Prem as well.
They are one of the worst supported clubs in football.


I agree a very very poor excuse Allan and noted 102 excuses

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Not excuse a reason why but I forgot only rebrand is a reason everything else is an excuse?

And guess you don't care if you go to game and don't watch it because everyone in front of you stands and gives you abuse because you complain? Yes its a very poor excuse for not returning next game

Comparing Wigan we have to go that low,

If u know yr football, Wigan in 1960's etc were not even in the Leagues and Wigan has never ever had big support,they actually rely on away fans even in the Prem as well.
They are one of the worst supported clubs in football.


I agree a very very poor excuse Allan and noted 102 excuses

Well no excuses tomorrow it will be good crowd
annis I always chose a seat where no one was in front of me before went to level 4 couple seasons ago

Forever Blue wrote:

Gaynor Straight wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

Gaynor Straight wrote:

maccydee wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Annis I much prefer to stand at the footy and love the atmosphere however there might well be fans who come who don’t want that and want to sit and watch it in peace. Knowing the mouthful some might get were they to ask someone to sit down would stop someone from coming especially if they felt intimidated.

101 excuses or reasons but all of them valid if that's what the individual feels

To much traffic,its raining,its cold,its live on tv,its a Sunday,its a Tuesday night, fans stand up etc etc

But only at our club



Never heard that for Man City or Leeds game

Why did they not feel that way for those two big games?

Only at our club ?

Wigan (top of the table remember) had 8k for a recent home league game. A few days later 19k turn up to watch Man City.

Comparing Wigan we have to go that low,

If u know yr football, Wigan in 1960's etc were not even in the Leagues and Wigan has never ever had big support,they actually rely on away fans even in the Prem as well.
They are one of the worst supported clubs in football.

Gaynor Straight wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

Gaynor Straight wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

Gaynor Straight wrote:

maccydee wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Annis I much prefer to stand at the footy and love the atmosphere however there might well be fans who come who don’t want that and want to sit and watch it in peace. Knowing the mouthful some might get were they to ask someone to sit down would stop someone from coming especially if they felt intimidated.

101 excuses or reasons but all of them valid if that's what the individual feels

To much traffic,its raining,its cold,its live on tv,its a Sunday,its a Tuesday night, fans stand up etc etc

But only at our club



Never heard that for Man City or Leeds game

Why did they not feel that way for those two big games?

Only at our club ?

Wigan (top of the table remember) had 8k for a recent home league game. A few days later 19k turn up to watch Man City.

Comparing Wigan we have to go that low,

If u know yr football, Wigan in 1960's etc were not even in the Leagues and Wigan has never ever had big support,they actually rely on away fans even in the Prem as well.
They are one of the worst supported clubs in football.

But 1000s of extra fans still turned out for a game against a big team, which is exactly what your point is.

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Not excuse a reason why but I forgot only rebrand is a reason everything else is an excuse?

And guess you don't care if you go to game and don't watch it because everyone in front of you stands and gives you abuse because you complain? Yes its a very poor excuse for not returning next game

Comparing Wigan we have to go that low,

If u know yr football, Wigan in 1960's etc were not even in the Leagues and Wigan has never ever had big support,they actually rely on away fans even in the Prem as well.
They are one of the worst supported clubs in football.


I agree a very very poor excuse Allan and noted 102 excuses

Well no excuses tomorrow it will be good crowd
annis I always chose a seat where no one was in front of me before went to level 4 couple seasons ago

Enjoy Allan

Its only banter on here

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Forever Blue wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Best excuse of the season and its £18 by the way

You could not make it up Allan, so u think fans are staying away because other fans stood up

Allan, I have added this to the 101 other excuses

In the Prem if u read two sections of Ninian Stand stood up every game and it was full all season, if fans did not like it they moved further down the Ninian Stand or could go to Fam stand or main grandstand very simple to do

Not excuse a reason why but I forgot only rebrand is a reason everything else is an excuse?

And guess you don't care if you go to game and don't watch it because everyone in front of you stands and gives you abuse because you complain? Yes its a very poor excuse for not returning next game

Comparing Wigan we have to go that low,

If u know yr football, Wigan in 1960's etc were not even in the Leagues and Wigan has never ever had big support,they actually rely on away fans even in the Prem as well.
They are one of the worst supported clubs in football.


I agree a very very poor excuse Allan and noted 102 excuses

Well no excuses tomorrow it will be good crowd
annis I always chose a seat where no one was in front of me before went to level 4 couple seasons ago

Enjoy Allan

Its only banter on here

Yes don't think anyone agrees with anyone sometimes on here! but we are all city fans

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Escott1927 wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Then Pay £20 to sit in part of the stadium that sits down, there’s plenty of empty seats. It’s only 2 blocks in the canton end that’s stands. If you don’t want to stand dont get tickets there.

pembroke allan wrote:

Escott1927 wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Then Pay £20 to sit in part of the stadium that sits down, there’s plenty of empty seats. It’s only 2 blocks in the canton end that’s stands. If you don’t want to stand dont get tickets there.

you obviously don't follow things or you would have seen I have ST level 4 and prior to that got seats where people couldn't stand in front of me. And was making a general observation that people
Persistently stand in all areas of ground and guess you would love to miss couple of goals in support of people standing in front of you who get in your way

valleyrambill wrote:I think it is not that we got relegated from the premiership is was the way we got relegated and the embarrassing way Mackay was dealt with before his sacking too didn't help Tan made us a joke of a club until he thankfully has disappeared.

But he turns up now and again with silly comments attacking Mackay again, the red hurt people but because we were successful we still had good attendances then we become a joke again with Ole Slade and Trollop the club clearly had no football people involved and the club was looking daft and even when we had a good attendance most supporters were bored with the football.

In all fairness Warnock has made us a better performing club and the atmosphere is getting better and I believe the supporters will slowly come back as long as we are successful.

I was just talking to a load guys in the pub who use to come down regular and are expecting us to fail this season now so
maybe we have a hard fight getting supporters back

Escott1927 wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:

Escott1927 wrote:

pembroke allan wrote:Why should fans have to stand up to watch game in an all seater stadium just because some fans persistently stand, They've got a stand to use for that so should be happy! Even man u been threatened with stand closure because of persistently standing fans, Maybe that's reason for people staying away now? I certainly wouldn't want spend £20 to stand when I have paid to sit.

Then Pay £20 to sit in part of the stadium that sits down, there’s plenty of empty seats. It’s only 2 blocks in the canton end that’s stands. If you don’t want to stand dont get tickets there.

you obviously don't follow things or you would have seen I have ST level 4 and prior to that got seats where people couldn't stand in front of me. And was making a general observation that people
Persistently stand in all areas of ground and guess you would love to miss couple of goals in support of people standing in front of you who get in your way

And I was making the point that people who want to sit down should get tickets where people sit down for the majority of the match. They’ve got plenty of choice around the ground.