Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:39 am
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:51 am
2blue2handle wrote:maccydee wrote:My point is it’s the same people going on about Gunnar who went on about Warnock at xmas and went on about Zohore three games ago and always go on at the players after bad results.
Maybe Gunnar shouldn’t have played in the last couple. But maybe North West thought he was worth getting fit to really make an impact over the last few games?
If we had got more points in the games he was shocking we may not have needed his impact as much? We don't know either way really.
I don't see the point in this thread really, he has had his critics because he has been very poor at a time when we had been doing very well. I think vast majority would agree he was very good tonight. Bit sad an attempt at a told you so (which I think is unjust) is one of the most popular posts on a night of a huge win. But that's modern football.
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:54 am
maccydee wrote:Form is temporary (especially coming back from injury)
Class permanent.
Do one!!!
Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:05 am
Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:55 am
Paul Keevil wrote:Until recently I had mixed views on next season
On seeing his celebration last night you can tell he still has the hunger and he wants this
Next season we will need a squad of 25. He deserves to be in it in my opinion. We need players with that level of passion
Think bout it. Last time we were in Premier League we spent £10m on Gary Medel. Personally I would save that money for another position - and offer him a 2 year contract
Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:13 am
WelshPatriot wrote:maccydee wrote:Form is temporary (especially coming back from injury)
Class permanent.
Do one!!!
Do one?? Really? Pretty pathetic comment that.
Shut the forum downs it appears nobody can have a different opinion to you, criticism and an argument that he was brought back was fully justified and even if it wasn't you can't tell city fans to do one.
Give your head a shake fella youseem to think your a super fan.
Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:35 am
maccydee wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:maccydee wrote:Form is temporary (especially coming back from injury)
Class permanent.
Do one!!!
Do one?? Really? Pretty pathetic comment that.
Shut the forum downs it appears nobody can have a different opinion to you, criticism and an argument that he was brought back was fully justified and even if it wasn't you can't tell city fans to do one.
Give your head a shake fella youseem to think your a super fan.
It should be about support for our players. I’m all for opinion (including mine that you discount so readily) but questioning players’ commitment as was done with Gunnar is not on.
Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:39 am
maccydee wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:maccydee wrote:Form is temporary (especially coming back from injury)
Class permanent.
Do one!!!
Do one?? Really? Pretty pathetic comment that.
Shut the forum downs it appears nobody can have a different opinion to you, criticism and an argument that he was brought back was fully justified and even if it wasn't you can't tell city fans to do one.
Give your head a shake fella youseem to think your a super fan.
It should be about support for our players. I’m all for opinion (including mine that you discount so readily) but questioning players’ commitment as was done with Gunnar is not on.
Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:44 am
maccydee wrote:Form is temporary (especially coming back from injury)
Class permanent.
Do one!!!
Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:54 am
AJ1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:Form is temporary (especially coming back from injury)
Class permanent.
Do one!!!
So being critical of someone being critical.?
god i love irony
Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:37 am
Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:42 am
Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:47 am
Jules wrote:How many games does Grujic have to play?
Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:49 am
Nickoblue23 wrote:Ok Gunner is hardly Pirlo but to say he cant pass is bull! What about his through ball to Zohore last night? I bet if you compared his pass completion to every other player it wouldn't be any worse. Apart from Ralls.
Ralls is underrated and having him back made a huge difference!
Simple for me he's one of our best players and a no brainer if we go up to offer him a contract. You would be paying over 10mil to replace him anyway and that wouldn't be a guarantee to get better.
Medal would cost 20-30mil in today's market!
Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:16 am
WelshPatriot wrote:maccydee wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:maccydee wrote:Form is temporary (especially coming back from injury)
Class permanent.
Do one!!!
Do one?? Really? Pretty pathetic comment that.
Shut the forum downs it appears nobody can have a different opinion to you, criticism and an argument that he was brought back was fully justified and even if it wasn't you can't tell city fans to do one.
Give your head a shake fella youseem to think your a super fan.
It should be about support for our players. I’m all for opinion (including mine that you discount so readily) but questioning players’ commitment as was done with Gunnar is not on.
Nobody questioned his commitment, people questioned his fitness, people questioned changing a winning team on a run, people questioned him slowing down the team all perfectly valid given his performances up until last night.
As I said your comment regarding city fans doing one was quite pathetic.
Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:25 am
Nickoblue23 wrote:Ok Gunner is hardly Pirlo but to say he cant pass is bull! What about his through ball to Zohore last night? I bet if you compared his pass completion to every other player it wouldn't be any worse. Apart from Ralls.
Ralls is underrated and having him back made a huge difference!
Simple for me he's one of our best players and a no brainer if we go up to offer him a contract. You would be paying over 10mil to replace him anyway and that wouldn't be a guarantee to get better.
Medal would cost 20-30mil in today's market!
Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:48 am
Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:54 am
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Please elaborate. Would be interesting to know in wich way Ralls had anything to do with Gunnar’s performance. I didn’t see any balance from them. Didn’t see Ralls covering or even making any space for Gunnar to move. Ralls made 56% pass completions and won 14% of his tackles. Surely he needs time to come back, him to. But I’m not sure how much he had to do with Gunnar covering ground and standing out.
Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:16 pm
paulh_85 wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:maccydee wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:maccydee wrote:Form is temporary (especially coming back from injury)
Class permanent.
Do one!!!
Do one?? Really? Pretty pathetic comment that.
Shut the forum downs it appears nobody can have a different opinion to you, criticism and an argument that he was brought back was fully justified and even if it wasn't you can't tell city fans to do one.
Give your head a shake fella youseem to think your a super fan.
It should be about support for our players. I’m all for opinion (including mine that you discount so readily) but questioning players’ commitment as was done with Gunnar is not on.
Nobody questioned his commitment, people questioned his fitness, people questioned changing a winning team on a run, people questioned him slowing down the team all perfectly valid given his performances up until last night.
As I said your comment regarding city fans doing one was quite pathetic.
Actually. People have been
Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:26 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Please elaborate. Would be interesting to know in wich way Ralls had anything to do with Gunnar’s performance. I didn’t see any balance from them. Didn’t see Ralls covering or even making any space for Gunnar to move. Ralls made 56% pass completions and won 14% of his tackles. Surely he needs time to come back, him to. But I’m not sure how much he had to do with Gunnar covering ground and standing out.
Just going on what I see at matches, our best performances this season have been with Gunnars and Ralls in the engine room.
Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:29 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:2blue2handle wrote:maccydee wrote:My point is it’s the same people going on about Gunnar who went on about Warnock at xmas and went on about Zohore three games ago and always go on at the players after bad results.
Maybe Gunnar shouldn’t have played in the last couple. But maybe North West thought he was worth getting fit to really make an impact over the last few games?
If we had got more points in the games he was shocking we may not have needed his impact as much? We don't know either way really.
I don't see the point in this thread really, he has had his critics because he has been very poor at a time when we had been doing very well. I think vast majority would agree he was very good tonight. Bit sad an attempt at a told you so (which I think is unjust) is one of the most popular posts on a night of a huge win. But that's modern football.
Nope Luke......that's Neil.
Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:30 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:2blue2handle wrote:maccydee wrote:My point is it’s the same people going on about Gunnar who went on about Warnock at xmas and went on about Zohore three games ago and always go on at the players after bad results.
Maybe Gunnar shouldn’t have played in the last couple. But maybe North West thought he was worth getting fit to really make an impact over the last few games?
If we had got more points in the games he was shocking we may not have needed his impact as much? We don't know either way really.
I don't see the point in this thread really, he has had his critics because he has been very poor at a time when we had been doing very well. I think vast majority would agree he was very good tonight. Bit sad an attempt at a told you so (which I think is unjust) is one of the most popular posts on a night of a huge win. But that's modern football.
Nope Luke......that's Neil.
Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:48 pm
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:01 pm
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:33 pm
DandoCCFC wrote:Every single player in the game is entitled to criticism if they been poor and when he walked back into the team he was poor and upset the whole midfield rhythm we had in the winning run we was on.
He was brilliant last night and probably in the top 3 of players that played the best last night along with Morrison and Etheridge.
I do value Gunnarsson here and you can't question his loyalty here because he been here since summer 2011 but it's more of the fact whoever is behind it brought it up his agent, people within the club brought his contract and his commitment into the open where every other player here this season since it began has brought any sort of talk of contracts up here.. more the fact he was injured since November/December and was talking about contracts which is quite laughable in some ways.
No-one can deny he gives 110% but he probably one of the worst first team starters we have had in recent years for technical ability.
If he plays like he did last night he can be some sort of asset to us but you can't come on here posting things like where are the critics after a good game, my view doesn't change and just because you open a thread like that just after one good game.
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:37 pm
paulh_85 wrote:DandoCCFC wrote:Every single player in the game is entitled to criticism if they been poor and when he walked back into the team he was poor and upset the whole midfield rhythm we had in the winning run we was on.
He was brilliant last night and probably in the top 3 of players that played the best last night along with Morrison and Etheridge.
I do value Gunnarsson here and you can't question his loyalty here because he been here since summer 2011 but it's more of the fact whoever is behind it brought it up his agent, people within the club brought his contract and his commitment into the open where every other player here this season since it began has brought any sort of talk of contracts up here.. more the fact he was injured since November/December and was talking about contracts which is quite laughable in some ways.
No-one can deny he gives 110% but he probably one of the worst first team starters we have had in recent years for technical ability.
If he plays like he did last night he can be some sort of asset to us but you can't come on here posting things like where are the critics after a good game, my view doesn't change and just because you open a thread like that just after one good game.
Who has been talking about contracts?
Wasn’t it Warnock who mentioned it?
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:38 pm
DandoCCFC wrote:Every single player in the game is entitled to criticism if they been poor and when he walked back into the team he was poor and upset the whole midfield rhythm we had in the winning run we was on.
He was brilliant last night and probably in the top 3 of players that played the best last night along with Morrison and Etheridge.
I do value Gunnarsson here and you can't question his loyalty here because he been here since summer 2011 but it's more of the fact whoever is behind it brought it up his agent, people within the club brought his contract and his commitment into the open where every other player here this season since it began has brought any sort of talk of contracts up here.. more the fact he was injured since November/December and was talking about contracts which is quite laughable in some ways.
No-one can deny he gives 110% but he probably one of the worst first team starters we have had in recent years for technical ability.
If he plays like he did last night he can be some sort of asset to us but you can't come on here posting things like where are the critics after a good game, my view doesn't change and just because you open a thread like that just after one good game.
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:48 pm
maccydee wrote:DandoCCFC wrote:Every single player in the game is entitled to criticism if they been poor and when he walked back into the team he was poor and upset the whole midfield rhythm we had in the winning run we was on.
He was brilliant last night and probably in the top 3 of players that played the best last night along with Morrison and Etheridge.
I do value Gunnarsson here and you can't question his loyalty here because he been here since summer 2011 but it's more of the fact whoever is behind it brought it up his agent, people within the club brought his contract and his commitment into the open where every other player here this season since it began has brought any sort of talk of contracts up here.. more the fact he was injured since November/December and was talking about contracts which is quite laughable in some ways.
No-one can deny he gives 110% but he probably one of the worst first team starters we have had in recent years for technical ability.
If he plays like he did last night he can be some sort of asset to us but you can't come on here posting things like where are the critics after a good game, my view doesn't change and just because you open a thread like that just after one good game.
While I agree with you it is perfectly fair to give criticism to players I feel it was over the top with Gunnar and that’s why I did the OP. He deserved more from us and was unfairly singled out. It is symptomatic of some of our fans to go overboard with their criticism.
Thankfully Gunnar proved them wrong.
Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:09 pm
Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:35 pm
paulh_85 wrote:Still got to agree with macadee with this one.
Gunners got way more criticism than he deserved (and a lot more than others who have been equally, if not more culpable)
And the reason for this is because of things surrounding his contract.
I think the fact some posters have claimed he’s basically using the club to get fit for the World Cup are well out of order for a player who, despite short on quality in certain areas, has always given our club his all.