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It is true that the vast majority of grooming gang convictions tend to be Asian males.

However, that doesn't mean paedophilia is an Asian problem. White British men tend to work alone, online etc

Since TR got arrested this subject is up there is the top 10 trending. Perhaps its at number 1.

I'm getting a few of my fb friends posting articles of pedos getting sentenced. Most of these articles are about white people. In fact over the last few decades our prisons have filled up with pedo's predominately white. Think the inmates call them "beasts" and they have to be segregated.

I'm not sure what the percent population of Asian pedos to White pedos are in prison but you get the impression from TR its 100% Asian.

TR is against Islam, that's his case. The Muslim/asian grooming gangs refer to parts of the Koran to justify their crime. This is TRs cause and what he is trying to highlight he isn't a child abuse vigilante.

Yes and this is where he leaves himself open to be called a "racist".

You can't be racist towards an ideology. If you hate Catholics you wouldn't get the racist label thrown at you

Exactly

You are considered a racist if you consider yourself superior against a different race and behave against them in a certain manner that comes over prejudice against them.

You cannot defend TR on this as he has pinpointed Asian gangs for pedo actions when he could quite easily point to his own people doing the same and that now includes his 2nd Lieutenant.

Lets me get this right your defending child rapists but beciause these child rapists are mainly ASIAN
people like you are so shit scared of being called Racist Bigot Nazi so you say and do f**k all
your a disgrace.

Who are the child abusers who are getting away with it?


Should be fired for being an idiot

Are you a total f*cking idiot
The whole point is he was highlighting Child rapist gangs only a minority have been caught sentenced
could be 500,000 children abused some as young as 11yrs old so
wake up you soft c**t........your part of the problem bury your head in the sand hope problem goes away.

take a breath!

Who are the child abusers who are getting away with it?


Should be fired for being an idiot

Are you a total f*cking idiot
The whole point is he was highlighting Child rapist gangs only a minority have been caught sentenced
could be 500,000 children abused some as young as 11yrs old so
wake up you soft c**t........your part of the problem bury your head in the sand hope problem goes away.

take a breath!

f**k off snowflake

Who are the child abusers who are getting away with it?


Should be fired for being an idiot

Are you a total f*cking idiot
The whole point is he was highlighting Child rapist gangs only a minority have been caught sentenced
could be 500,000 children abused some as young as 11yrs old so
wake up you soft c**t........your part of the problem bury your head in the sand hope problem goes away.

One of his close friends and former EDL associates was recently sentenced as a paedo... why did TR not mention this to the public prior to his friends sentencing (when the sick b*stard was still out on the streets and a threat to kids).

Who are the child abusers who are getting away with it?


Should be fired for being an idiot

Are you a total f*cking idiot
The whole point is he was highlighting Child rapist gangs only a minority have been caught sentenced
could be 500,000 children abused some as young as 11yrs old so
wake up you soft c**t........your part of the problem bury your head in the sand hope problem goes away.

take a breath!

f**k off snowflake

Snowflake??

what an oddball you are

Who are the child abusers who are getting away with it?


Should be fired for being an idiot

Are you a total f*cking idiot
The whole point is he was highlighting Child rapist gangs only a minority have been caught sentenced
could be 500,000 children abused some as young as 11yrs old so
wake up you soft c**t........your part of the problem bury your head in the sand hope problem goes away.

One of his close friends and former EDL associates was recently sentenced as a paedo... why did TR not mention this to the public prior to his friends sentencing (when the sick b*stard was still out on the streets and a threat to kids).

Was Tommy aware of this? It isn't exactly something you'd come out and tell your mates, surely!?

It is true that the vast majority of grooming gang convictions tend to be Asian males.

However, that doesn't mean paedophilia is an Asian problem. White British men tend to work alone, online etc

Since TR got arrested this subject is up there is the top 10 trending. Perhaps its at number 1.

I'm getting a few of my fb friends posting articles of pedos getting sentenced. Most of these articles are about white people. In fact over the last few decades our prisons have filled up with pedo's predominately white. Think the inmates call them "beasts" and they have to be segregated.

I'm not sure what the percent population of Asian pedos to White pedos are in prison but you get the impression from TR its 100% Asian.

TR is against Islam, that's his case. The Muslim/asian grooming gangs refer to parts of the Koran to justify their crime. This is TRs cause and what he is trying to highlight he isn't a child abuse vigilante.

Yes and this is where he leaves himself open to be called a "racist".

You can't be racist towards an ideology. If you hate Catholics you wouldn't get the racist label thrown at you

Exactly

You are considered a racist if you consider yourself superior against a different race and behave against them in a certain manner that comes over prejudice against them.

You cannot defend TR on this as he has pinpointed Asian gangs for pedo actions when he could quite easily point to his own people doing the same and that now includes his 2nd Lieutenant.

Lets me get this right your defending child rapists but beciause these child rapists are mainly ASIAN
people like you are so shit scared of being called Racist Bigot Nazi so you say and do f**k all
your a disgrace.

Who are you calling a disgrace?

Who are the child abusers who are getting away with it?


Should be fired for being an idiot

Are you a total f*cking idiot
The whole point is he was highlighting Child rapist gangs only a minority have been caught sentenced
could be 500,000 children abused some as young as 11yrs old so
wake up you soft c**t........your part of the problem bury your head in the sand hope problem goes away.

One of his close friends and former EDL associates was recently sentenced as a paedo... why did TR not mention this to the public prior to his friends sentencing (when the sick b*stard was still out on the streets and a threat to kids).

Was Tommy aware of this? It isn't exactly something you'd come out and tell your mates, surely!?

Mate Tommy Robinson is a guy who, even when an EDL member has been found guilty, chooses to stick by him. Found guilty of child porn images and Robinson attempts a cover up by saying his mate has been "stitched up"

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest ... EDL-leader

By the way, richard price (an edl founder member) isnt even the guy i was referring to, so thats two paedophiles amongst the former EDL hierachy.

I was referring to Leigh Mcmillan who, even though there's no evidence TR himself is involved in a cover up, there has been instances of edl supporters supporting a cover up. (TR and EDL staying silent on the issue also suggests they are adopting this approach).

https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2018/02/ ... -offences/

by the way can neil please bring in some players for us to talk about as this place seems to turn into question time crossed with newsnight in the summer

It is true that the vast majority of grooming gang convictions tend to be Asian males.

However, that doesn't mean paedophilia is an Asian problem. White British men tend to work alone, online etc

Asian? What are they Japanese,Sikh, Vietnamese, Indian Hindus, Koreans or Cambodians. 84% of these Nonces are Muslim Men of predominately Pakistani heritage.
That this guys political view should be a factor in his employment as a fire fighter is beyond absurd and really very sinister.

Who are the child abusers who are getting away with it?


Should be fired for being an idiot

Are you a total f*cking idiot
The whole point is he was highlighting Child rapist gangs only a minority have been caught sentenced
could be 500,000 children abused some as young as 11yrs old so
wake up you soft c**t........your part of the problem bury your head in the sand hope problem goes away.

One of his close friends and former EDL associates was recently sentenced as a paedo... why did TR not mention this to the public prior to his friends sentencing (when the sick b*stard was still out on the streets and a threat to kids).

Was Tommy aware of this? It isn't exactly something you'd come out and tell your mates, surely!?

Mate Tommy Robinson is a guy who, even when an EDL member has been found guilty, chooses to stick by him. Found guilty of child porn images and Robinson attempts a cover up by saying his mate has been "stitched up"

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest ... EDL-leader

By the way, richard price (an edl founder member) isnt even the guy i was referring to, so thats two paedophiles amongst the former EDL hierachy.

I was referring to Leigh Mcmillan who, even though there's no evidence TR himself is involved in a cover up, there has been instances of edl supporters supporting a cover up. (TR and EDL staying silent on the issue also suggests they are adopting this approach).

https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2018/02/ ... -offences/

Thanks for the info. I have followed Robinson for years on social media but not read much else about him ( wasn't even aware of the above )

A serving Fireman is not allowed to show prejudice in any direction,should have read his employment contract.Same goes for serving police officers.I love the way some people think its OK to ignore the law just because you agree with what they say.If Tommy Robinson wasn't stopped the very people he hates so much could have gotten away with it when the case collapsed.

So if a serving Fireman has a different Worldview or political opinion from his bosses he should be fired, perhaps we could lock him up in a Gulag like Joe Stalin.

A serving Fireman is not allowed to show prejudice in any direction,should have read his employment contract.Same goes for serving police officers.I love the way some people think its OK to ignore the law just because you agree with what they say.If Tommy Robinson wasn't stopped the very people he hates so much could have gotten away with it when the case collapsed.

So if a serving Fireman has a different Worldview or political opinion from his bosses he should be fired, perhaps we could lock him up in a Gulag like Joe Stalin.

Not sure how it works Jock.
My mum works in the job centre ( slightly different but still gov ) and she's not allowed to discuss opinions on people who claim benefits.

I suppose there's probably something contractual that suggests he wasn't allowed to speak about something.... He would suing otherwise !?

A serving Fireman is not allowed to show prejudice in any direction,should have read his employment contract.Same goes for serving police officers.I love the way some people think its OK to ignore the law just because you agree with what they say.If Tommy Robinson wasn't stopped the very people he hates so much could have gotten away with it when the case collapsed.

So if a serving Fireman has a different Worldview or political opinion from his bosses he should be fired, perhaps we could lock him up in a Gulag like Joe Stalin.

Not sure how it works Jock.
My mum works in the job centre ( slightly different but still gov ) and she's not allowed to discuss opinions on people who claim benefits.

I suppose there's probably something contractual that suggests he wasn't allowed to speak about something.... He would suing otherwise !?

exactly, if he said something very anti-islamic it would then obviously mean he could be prejudiced if say, there were 2 people in danger, one was a white kid and one was a muslim kid.

Pretty standard rules not only in emergency services, but like you said in govt roles like with your mum. they're even standard for roles like recruitment where same prejudices could come into play.

If there was someone who said he did not like welsh people and posted derogatory things about the welsh i wouldnt want him in a situation where he could be negligent towards me and put myself or other welsh people in danger due to his prejudices.

Who are the child abusers who are getting away with it?


Should be fired for being an idiot

Are you a total f*cking idiot
The whole point is he was highlighting Child rapist gangs only a minority have been caught sentenced
could be 500,000 children abused some as young as 11yrs old so
wake up you soft c**t........your part of the problem bury your head in the sand hope problem goes away.

One of his close friends and former EDL associates was recently sentenced as a paedo... why did TR not mention this to the public prior to his friends sentencing (when the sick b*stard was still out on the streets and a threat to kids).

Was Tommy aware of this? It isn't exactly something you'd come out and tell your mates, surely!?

Mate Tommy Robinson is a guy who, even when an EDL member has been found guilty, chooses to stick by him. Found guilty of child porn images and Robinson attempts a cover up by saying his mate has been "stitched up"

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest ... EDL-leader

By the way, richard price (an edl founder member) isnt even the guy i was referring to, so thats two paedophiles amongst the former EDL hierachy.

I was referring to Leigh Mcmillan who, even though there's no evidence TR himself is involved in a cover up, there has been instances of edl supporters supporting a cover up. (TR and EDL staying silent on the issue also suggests they are adopting this approach).

https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2018/02/ ... -offences/

Thanks for the info. I have followed Robinson for years on social media but not read much else about him ( wasn't even aware of the above )

Oh and don't forget this absolute gem of a character reference for TR

Saying a 15 year old girl is "fit for a muslim"

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/0 ... ccounter=1

Who are the child abusers who are getting away with it?


Should be fired for being an idiot

You think a man should get fired for have the audacity to voice an opinion, in Britain, and he's the idiot?

Daily Star & Huffington Post mentioned above. Must be 100% true then.

Who are the child abusers who are getting away with it?


Should be fired for being an idiot

You think a man should get fired for have the audacity to voice an opinion, in Britain, and he's the idiot?

people say all kinds of things under the guise of "free speech"

without actually seeing the words he wrote its not possible to judge fully but yes i think anyone who puts potentially divisive or controversial comments on social media is a bit silly these days

by the way can neil please bring in some players for us to talk about as this place seems to turn into question time crossed with newsnight in the summer

Ridiculous comment.

There are far too many sensible posters on here still grounded in common sense and in touch with reality to oppose the left wing nonsense for it to be compared to a BBC show like Question Time

Daily Star & Huffington Post mentioned above. Must be 100% true then.

The times better?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/far- ... 6pb87rr2q5

But seeing as this thread is based on a news story from a website i've never heard of, which is wholly drawn from a facebook post, which itself is only referencing another facebook post (this 2nd facebook post itself is not even published anywhere, so nobody can confirm it is even real), i hardly feel journalistic integrity is of the highest importance here

by the way can neil please bring in some players for us to talk about as this place seems to turn into question time crossed with newsnight in the summer

Ridiculous comment.

There are far too many sensible posters on here still grounded in common sense and in touch with reality to oppose the left wing nonsense for it to be compared to a BBC show like Question Time

Agree to disagree once again i think

So TR who’s had nothing to do with the EDL for five years, initially supports his mate on a Nonce charge till he finds out the facts, he then unequivocally condemns him. What’s wrong with that?

So TR who’s had nothing to do with the EDL for five years, initially supports his mate on a Nonce charge till he finds out the facts, he then unequivocally condemns him. What’s wrong with that?

'After he was jailed for three months for threatening behaviour at the rally, the EDL launched a campaign to free him and Lennon claimed Price had been “stitched up”.
He said: “Richard Price had his house unfairly raided by West Midlands Police.
“They informed him that they had found five photographs of children on the computer. Price has no idea how they were on his computer.”'

Funnily enough I cant find much else to confirm or deny this exact timeframe, nor confirm or deny yours, seems media were fairly silent on this one...

So TR who’s had nothing to do with the EDL for five years, initially supports his mate on a Nonce charge till he finds out the facts, he then unequivocally condemns him. What’s wrong with that?

'After he was jailed for three months for threatening behaviour at the rally, the EDL launched a campaign to free him and Lennon claimed Price had been “stitched up”.
He said: “Richard Price had his house unfairly raided by West Midlands Police.
“They informed him that they had found five photographs of children on the computer. Price has no idea how they were on his computer.”'

Funnily enough I cant find much else to confirm or deny this exact timeframe, nor confirm or deny yours, seems media were fairly silent on this one...

But the point is if you're ready to defend someone who admits they have child porn but in their words "dont know how it got there" but are quick to go to trials across the country to accuse people still being prosecuted, you're problem is not with child pornography or abuse, but with something else

So TR who’s had nothing to do with the EDL for five years, initially supports his mate on a Nonce charge till he finds out the facts, he then unequivocally condemns him. What’s wrong with that?

'After he was jailed for three months for threatening behaviour at the rally, the EDL launched a campaign to free him and Lennon claimed Price had been “stitched up”.
He said: “Richard Price had his house unfairly raided by West Midlands Police.
“They informed him that they had found five photographs of children on the computer. Price has no idea how they were on his computer.”'

Funnily enough I cant find much else to confirm or deny this exact timeframe, nor confirm or deny yours, seems media were fairly silent on this one...

Perhaps reread the link, when he had the facts he condemned him. Also that case received prominent media coverage, Pakistani Muslim Cases do not. Hence the reason Tommy was outside the court.

So TR who’s had nothing to do with the EDL for five years, initially supports his mate on a Nonce charge till he finds out the facts, he then unequivocally condemns him. What’s wrong with that?

'After he was jailed for three months for threatening behaviour at the rally, the EDL launched a campaign to free him and Lennon claimed Price had been “stitched up”.
He said: “Richard Price had his house unfairly raided by West Midlands Police.
“They informed him that they had found five photographs of children on the computer. Price has no idea how they were on his computer.”'

Funnily enough I cant find much else to confirm or deny this exact timeframe, nor confirm or deny yours, seems media were fairly silent on this one...

Perhaps reread the link, when he had the facts he condemned him. Also that case received prominent media coverage, Pakistani Muslim Cases do not. Hence the reason Tommy was outside the court.

You'd be hard pressed to find a person in the country who doesnt know who the rochdale gang mate, and i dont think much of that is down to TR, the Beeb made it in to a prime time drama ffs!

I wholly disapprove of what you say—and will defend to the death your right to say it.”

Strange it is that men should admit the validity of the arguments for free speech but object to their being "pushed to an extreme", not seeing that unless the reasons are good for an extreme case, they are not good for any case.

Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.

Goebbels was in favor of freedom of speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you're in favor of freedom of speech, that means you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise."

Should be fired for being an idiot... people say all kinds of things under the guise of "free speech"... i think anyone who puts potentially divisive or controversial comments on social media is a bit silly these days

Orwell called it spot on.

Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thought-crime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.

I am starting to think honestly think we might actually have lost already and it's time to just accept the lunatics are running the asylum.

If you work a public sector job you should know antiestablishment views get you sacked, but guessing he knew what he's doing

So TR who’s had nothing to do with the EDL for five years, initially supports his mate on a Nonce charge till he finds out the facts, he then unequivocally condemns him. What’s wrong with that?

'After he was jailed for three months for threatening behaviour at the rally, the EDL launched a campaign to free him and Lennon claimed Price had been “stitched up”.
He said: “Richard Price had his house unfairly raided by West Midlands Police.
“They informed him that they had found five photographs of children on the computer. Price has no idea how they were on his computer.”'

Funnily enough I cant find much else to confirm or deny this exact timeframe, nor confirm or deny yours, seems media were fairly silent on this one...

Perhaps reread the link, when he had the facts he condemned him. Also that case received prominent media coverage, Pakistani Muslim Cases do not. Hence the reason Tommy was outside the court.

You'd be hard pressed to find a person in the country who doesnt know who the rochdale gang mate, and i dont think much of that is down to TR, the Beeb made it in to a prime time drama ffs!

Are you having a laugh??? The BBC and other mainstream media ignored the grooming gangs up north for over a decade. It was campaigners that got it exposed.
If your going to comnent on a subject read up on it.

BBC were a disgrace.

Just a final thing on here and then i'm out because this stuff drives me mad and it'll just slowly make me go insane if I pay too much attention to this thread.

From here on in I'll just say that anything Jock says, I agree with (as that's usually the case) and this shit has a habit of sucking me in so I'm leaving this all be after this and just sticking to football.

If you can't be arsed reading the below which is admittedly too long, fair enough, and just go for that as my default option from here on out...



But for my own sake just to get this off my chest as much as anything else...

For the love of God can we just stop conflating Grooming Gangs with regular run of the mill (sick and evil) pedoes.

The latter are disgusting creatures and should all be neutered if caught in my opinion. But for the former they take filth to a whole new level by a) bringing racial/ethnic targetting into the little girls they pray on and b) by turning it into a team sport that they can take part in with their mates and family - effectively normalising the behaviour - both sets are evil but the grooming gangs are a step up again and we need to deal with the biggest threat first - which is why these grooming gangs needed to be hunted out ASAP.

Also, let's stop with the strawman argument about Bible vs Koran. Anyone going down this route of an argument is either ignorant of the conversation or being deliberately misleading.

Firstly, all the bad crap in the Bible is mostly in Leviticus and almost entirely in the Old Testament, which is overwritten by the nice and fluffy hippy crap in the New Testament.

The Koran goes the other way when read in chronological order (rather than the batshit crazy order they came up with of the longer verses being at the front or something). This is all fairly well documented and a quick google of 'Koranic/Quranic Abrogation' will fill you in if you want to actually understand what it is your arguing about - I find almost to a man that most people who fall on the side of the argument that Tommy Robinson is a national hero are overwhelmingly better read on the subject matter than those who call him a right-wing extremist/neo nazi etc etc.

Even comparing Christianity to Islam in the broad sense is incorrect.

Christianity went through the Reformation in the 16th Century so some 400 years ago, which was when we started sorting our shit out in the West in terms of morality etc. It took a while but by the end of the last century, we pretty much had things sorted. Islam has yet to go through a reformation, and given that it purports to be the final word of God delivered by Mo the most perfect man that ever lived, is pretty unchallengeable and therefore fairly unlikely to do so. Comparing the two just aint apples and apples sorry chaps.

Finally just to put this to bed for once and for all... Islamaphobia is not racism. (for the sake of argument let's just accept the premise that term Islamaphobia has genuine meaning for now)

Racism is the prejudice of someone because of an immutable, aspect of their being - that is something that they had no choice in being and something that they can never change.

Islam is, as are all religions, an ideology which one can choose to follow or not - therefore being anti-Islam is not, never has been and never can be racist.

(Oh and once again for the record - not all Muslims are bad people and no I am not a bigot of any sort - I just believe in the fundamental values of equality of opportunity and freedom of speech that used to be at the core of being British)