30,000 TURN OUT FOR TOMMY ROBINSON MARCH / BUT

why don't you answer some of the points I've made.

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Postby ealing_ayatollah » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:06 pm

Not condoning the violence, but what do you expect - there is an anger amongst many of the regular, working-class folks in Britain that is a direct result of them being ignored and oppressed by the people elected to protect them.

Tommy Robinson is a symptom of that, not the cause. If the British government had done their job and not tried to hide things like grooming gangs under the carpet, there would never have been a reason for Tommy Robinson to exist.

His arrest and in particular the highly questionable process of his sentencing (and the speed at which it was carried out) has given those that feel successive governments have sold them out and ignored their voice a central point to rally around - whilst the violence is unfortunate, it is perhaps somewhat inevitable.

For the record, I was there today and didn't see violence in person (I guess I was lucky) but the footage I watched was pretty damming so again I'm not condoning it - but I think the root of the problem on a societal level is far deeper than just Tommy Robinson and successive governments dating right back to Blair have to shoulder the lions share of the blame.

One of the most ignorant posts I've ever read on here.I realise I'm probably in a small minority but in response to this post I'll bite.

The law on this is quite clear.Everyone is entitled to a fair trial,me,you,Tommy Robinson,armed bank robbers,rapists and pedophile gangs etc,etc.In this country a fair trial means you are tried and judged by your peers and(this is the important bit)without any prejudice or influence by persons or groups of people outside of the court.This latest contempt legislation has been around since 1981 so the argument that TR was subject to unfair treatment is a fallacy.
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Contempt of court, often referred to simply as "contempt", is the offense of being disobedient to or discourteous toward a court of law and its officers in the form of behavior that opposes or defies the authority, justice and dignity of the court.[1][2] It manifests itself in willful disregard of or disrespect for the authority of a court of law, which is often behavior that is illegal because it does not obey or respect the rules of a law court.[3][4]

There are broadly two categories of contempt: being rude or disrespectful to legal authorities in the courtroom, or willfully failing to obey a court order.[5] Contempt proceedings are especially used to enforce equitable remedies, such as injunctions.[6] In some jurisdictions, the refusal to respond to subpoena, to testify, to fulfill the obligations of a juror, or to provide certain information can constitute contempt of the court.

When a court decides that an action constitutes contempt of court, it can issue a court order that in the context of a court trial or hearing declares a person or organization to have disobeyed or been disrespectful of the court's authority, called "found" or "held" in contempt. That is the judge's strongest power to impose sanctions for acts that disrupt the court's normal process.

A finding of being in contempt of court may result from a failure to obey a lawful order of a court, showing disrespect for the judge, disruption of the proceedings through poor behavior, or publication of material or non-disclosure of material, which in doing so is deemed likely to jeopardize a fair trial. A judge may impose sanctions such as a fine or jail for someone found guilty of contempt of court.
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The speed of his conviction and sentence is easy to explain.Ask anyone transgressing while on parole or transgressing while on some other form of suspended sentence.Justice is quick for all under these circumstances.As for the big brother coverup conspiracy as far as the press is concerned is a made up fallacy but not only the likes of TR use this.Publicity is the oxygen by which these people try and peddle hatred,the worst example in my view are ISIS.

I find it astonishing that people don't realise if TR had been successful those evil bastards could have walked free.

Then theres the old chestnut"my father/grandfathers/uncle/brother fought and died for our way of life and so they did but that also includes a fair trial without prejudice.

Had he waited until the trial had properly finished he would have still been on the outside but there would have been no demonstration and no violence,not good for business eh Tommy.

Just for the record I loathe these people too I just hate mob rule and unfortunately left alone thats all we'd be left with.

Mate in fairness you've labelled this one of the most ignorant posts you've ever read (big statement) and then in your response proceed to completely overlook the crux of the point made i.e that the issue is not around Tommy Robinson at all but that his arrest, whether questionable or not, (for the sake of argument let's go with your assertion that it's all above board) has acted like a lightning rod to all of the anger that is swelling like an undercurrent in our society at the moment. That anger is something that has been slowly growing for a long, long time by the way.


If your going to make such hyperbolic statements about a post try addressing more than the one point of contention and grasp the wider point being raised.

My point is that most people are commenting on the merits surrounding TR and his actions without really knowing the law and coming to the conclusion that they all picking on poor old Tommy (The government and the press that is)That is what is meant by an ignorant post,not that your an ignorant person.

black and white....
and there lies your problem,its not that nobody understands the black and white..its everyone else realises its not black and white..not all laws are exact..or applied as they were meant to be..or infact applied equally.

Ah my bad,obey the law when it suits and justify it by claiming some other dude was even naughtier.........righto

your post in no way addresses mine.

Thats because its just a speculative,anecdotal opinion which you are entitled to of course

but its not just opinion its fact mate..wikipedia it or just talk to any cop,judge,brief.
not sure if these are ...you cant be wrong dig the hole deeper answers.
or if youve lived an incredibly sheltered life and actually think the law is standard and straight jacketed..

You are contradicting yourself.If I've got to ask anyone its supposition and speculation by definition, instead why don't you answer some of the points I've made and this sheltered man will try and understand you.

your points are based on a law system that is black and white and standard.
which i doubt very much you or anyone else believes...

if it existed there would never ever be a brief /or prosecutor shocked at a jail sentence or the opposite an offender not jailed
..no social reports..and in fact no need of sentencung hearings...
your not a stupid bloke so jump off the JCB