Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:29 am
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:paulh_85 wrote:phildavies wrote:Some of our fans are a disgrace. So quick to turn on players and acuse then of things even though they have no idea what is actually happening.
It’s been going on for months with gunnarsson and very few have spoken against it
Spoken against what? Player loyalty? Sure, servants of the club etc. But when it really matters? Neither Hoilett nor Gunnar will find them self above City premier level, and they know we are pressed on budget. If they won’t commit, then ffuck them. Simple.
Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:39 am
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:dogfound wrote:Wolfpac wrote:dogfound wrote:had an absolutely fantastic season for us. and like all players is entitled to negotiate contracts....
what a bunch of OTT pathetic coments.
There's nowt wrong with negotiations however when you're a big time Charlie and do this from club to club, its a bit of a piss take mate.
On your bike Junior, we don't want a deserter in the camp
did as much as any player in turning around our fortunes...
you dont know what offer has been made or why he hasnt signed...
and no its not a piss take to take time and negotiate a deal your happy with.
does he want mega bucks..? is he a big time charlie..? or a dickhead and deserter..?
unreal
Absolutely agree with this but isn’t it typical of so many on this forum that when something happens all the hate, naive and ridiculous comments come out?
Nobody on here knows what’s going on and what offers and discussions are taking place but assume the worst and start their inane comments. At least give the guy a chance first.
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:00 am
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:39 am
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:55 am
2blue2handle wrote:Can't blame him, if someone else has offered him better money I'd also ask for at least the same. Its a job at the end of the day.
Warnock may have been great for him but he has been great for warnock as well.
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:22 am
Juventus Blue wrote:OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:dogfound wrote:Wolfpac wrote:dogfound wrote:had an absolutely fantastic season for us. and like all players is entitled to negotiate contracts....
what a bunch of OTT pathetic coments.
There's nowt wrong with negotiations however when you're a big time Charlie and do this from club to club, its a bit of a piss take mate.
On your bike Junior, we don't want a deserter in the camp
did as much as any player in turning around our fortunes...
you dont know what offer has been made or why he hasnt signed...
and no its not a piss take to take time and negotiate a deal your happy with.
does he want mega bucks..? is he a big time charlie..? or a dickhead and deserter..?
unreal
Absolutely agree with this but isn’t it typical of so many on this forum that when something happens all the hate, naive and ridiculous comments come out?
Nobody on here knows what’s going on and what offers and discussions are taking place but assume the worst and start their inane comments. At least give the guy a chance first.
That’s a great post, very well said and exactly my sentiments. Give the guy a break as none of us know what the problems are or even if there is a problem. Don’t condemn Hoilett before we know the facts. I want and hope he stays
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:25 am
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:35 am
dadmancat wrote:Football is a uniquely odd business.
I work in an office and if I was offered a job elsewhere would my potential new employer be expected to pay a transfer fee to my old employer?
Or if I wanted to hand my notice in would I have to pay a massive fee to pay off my contract?
These players are people with families, responsibilities and personal preferences. We seem to be treating them like possessions or property.
I understand he earns a shed load of cash, but we're only talking about the top 0.1%. It's the same throughout all of football - players earning 20k a year at Scunthorpe are in the same boat.
He owes us nothing and we know nothing about the situation that's going on.
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:40 am
JJ1927 wrote:dadmancat wrote:Football is a uniquely odd business.
I work in an office and if I was offered a job elsewhere would my potential new employer be expected to pay a transfer fee to my old employer?
Or if I wanted to hand my notice in would I have to pay a massive fee to pay off my contract?
These players are people with families, responsibilities and personal preferences. We seem to be treating them like possessions or property.
I understand he earns a shed load of cash, but we're only talking about the top 0.1%. It's the same throughout all of football - players earning 20k a year at Scunthorpe are in the same boat.
He owes us nothing and we know nothing about the situation that's going on.
You are correct in saying that football is a unique business. But Premier League players and (Championship players) owe their fabulous wealth to the blind loyalty of the football fans. And many if not the majority show very little loyalty back.
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:51 am
dadmancat wrote:I get my coffee in Cafe Nero every day and the barista gets paid because I and other do so. He doesn't owe me a debt of gratitude or any loyalty.
It's irrelevant that these footballers earn more money - it's simple supply and demand. We're prepared to pay that much for a player because there aren't that many with those skills and if we don't someone else will.
It's not a money thing, it's a weird football thing. As I said before supporters from clubs where players earn less than you have the same strange opinions.
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:58 am
Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:30 am
Wayne S wrote:dadmancat wrote:I get my coffee in Cafe Nero every day and the barista gets paid because I and other do so. He doesn't owe me a debt of gratitude or any loyalty.
It's irrelevant that these footballers earn more money - it's simple supply and demand. We're prepared to pay that much for a player because there aren't that many with those skills and if we don't someone else will.
It's not a money thing, it's a weird football thing. As I said before supporters from clubs where players earn less than you have the same strange opinions.
Poor examples.
It's totally unacceptable to compare a person that could well be earning, IN A WEEK, what a Barista may earn in over a year.
It is totally a money thing with football not aware how the other half (or 90%) live.
Not blaming the players though, as you said it's supply and demand with them just pressing for a rise like anyone in society. It's the game as a whole that is, well, just wrong.
Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:31 am
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:01 pm
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:01 pm
City Slicker wrote:Wayne S wrote:dadmancat wrote:I get my coffee in Cafe Nero every day and the barista gets paid because I and other do so. He doesn't owe me a debt of gratitude or any loyalty.
It's irrelevant that these footballers earn more money - it's simple supply and demand. We're prepared to pay that much for a player because there aren't that many with those skills and if we don't someone else will.
It's not a money thing, it's a weird football thing. As I said before supporters from clubs where players earn less than you have the same strange opinions.
Poor examples.
It's totally unacceptable to compare a person that could well be earning, IN A WEEK, what a Barista may earn in over a year.
It is totally a money thing with football not aware how the other half (or 90%) live.
Not blaming the players though, as you said it's supply and demand with them just pressing for a rise like anyone in society. It's the game as a whole that is, well, just wrong.
Totally correct! If the guy thinks he can get a better deal elsewhere then it's his prerogative to leave if he's out of contract. Many may believe otherwise but I personally think he owes Warnock a debt of loyalty. Very good player for us but if money is his motivation then I think we can find a replacement elsewhere. We should stick to our guns. If you give in to one you can suddenly get a free fall out of control.
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:02 pm
Crayfish wrote:The annoying thing about Hoilett is not whether he leaves us or stays but that he has not made any decision either way. If he has a better offer than he should just tell Warnock he is leaving and stop pissing about so Warnock can plan for the future without him. That is what is annoying people his indecision is harming the club by not allowing the manager to plan for the future.
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:23 pm
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:40 pm
Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:37 pm
trotskie wrote:I want him to stay but I do feel his performances got worse near the end of the season. Also isn't he nearly 29(not many wingers carry on playing their best over 30) so can't blame him for trying to maximize his final pay day
Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:20 pm
City Slicker wrote:Wayne S wrote:dadmancat wrote:I get my coffee in Cafe Nero every day and the barista gets paid because I and other do so. He doesn't owe me a debt of gratitude or any loyalty.
It's irrelevant that these footballers earn more money - it's simple supply and demand. We're prepared to pay that much for a player because there aren't that many with those skills and if we don't someone else will.
It's not a money thing, it's a weird football thing. As I said before supporters from clubs where players earn less than you have the same strange opinions.
Poor examples.
It's totally unacceptable to compare a person that could well be earning, IN A WEEK, what a Barista may earn in over a year.
It is totally a money thing with football not aware how the other half (or 90%) live.
Not blaming the players though, as you said it's supply and demand with them just pressing for a rise like anyone in society. It's the game as a whole that is, well, just wrong.
Totally correct! If the guy thinks he can get a better deal elsewhere then it's his prerogative to leave if he's out of contract. Many may believe otherwise but I personally think he owes Warnock a debt of loyalty. Very good player for us but if money is his motivation then I think we can find a replacement elsewhere. We should stick to our guns. If you give in to one you can suddenly get a free fall out of control.
Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:19 pm
City Slicker wrote:Wayne S wrote:dadmancat wrote:I get my coffee in Cafe Nero every day and the barista gets paid because I and other do so. He doesn't owe me a debt of gratitude or any loyalty.
It's irrelevant that these footballers earn more money - it's simple supply and demand. We're prepared to pay that much for a player because there aren't that many with those skills and if we don't someone else will.
It's not a money thing, it's a weird football thing. As I said before supporters from clubs where players earn less than you have the same strange opinions.
Poor examples.
It's totally unacceptable to compare a person that could well be earning, IN A WEEK, what a Barista may earn in over a year.
It is totally a money thing with football not aware how the other half (or 90%) live.
Not blaming the players though, as you said it's supply and demand with them just pressing for a rise like anyone in society. It's the game as a whole that is, well, just wrong.
Totally correct! If the guy thinks he can get a better deal elsewhere then it's his prerogative to leave if he's out of contract. Many may believe otherwise but I personally think he owes Warnock a debt of loyalty. Very good player for us but if money is his motivation then I think we can find a replacement elsewhere. We should stick to our guns. If you give in to one you can suddenly get a free fall out of control.
Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:23 pm
Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:28 pm
Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:37 pm
dogfound wrote:City Slicker wrote:Wayne S wrote:dadmancat wrote:I get my coffee in Cafe Nero every day and the barista gets paid because I and other do so. He doesn't owe me a debt of gratitude or any loyalty.
It's irrelevant that these footballers earn more money - it's simple supply and demand. We're prepared to pay that much for a player because there aren't that many with those skills and if we don't someone else will.
It's not a money thing, it's a weird football thing. As I said before supporters from clubs where players earn less than you have the same strange opinions.
Poor examples.
It's totally unacceptable to compare a person that could well be earning, IN A WEEK, what a Barista may earn in over a year.
It is totally a money thing with football not aware how the other half (or 90%) live.
Not blaming the players though, as you said it's supply and demand with them just pressing for a rise like anyone in society. It's the game as a whole that is, well, just wrong.
Totally correct! If the guy thinks he can get a better deal elsewhere then it's his prerogative to leave if he's out of contract. Many may believe otherwise but I personally think he owes Warnock a debt of loyalty. Very good player for us but if money is his motivation then I think we can find a replacement elsewhere. We should stick to our guns. If you give in to one you can suddenly get a free fall out of control.
way too many assumptions..maybe its money..maybe its length of contract..maybe something else...
maybe his debt of loyalty is fully paid up with interest by him agreeing to come here { everyone seems to think it was his only option yet everyone was excited and buzzing when he signed } ..
and maybe if you and i both knew what he has been offered in comparison to others including the new players ..maybe youd think its junior is rightfully sticking to his guns {assuming it is cash } and the club needs to sort it out..
as for finding replacements.....ive read this many times re both Gunner and Junior...its sounds much easier than it is..
on paper its simple in reality finding players that fit ,that are effective and give value for money is much more difficult..eg..
over the last 2 seasons we have signed 24 players plus many loanees ...tomlin , lambert, huws,immers , camp , Amos .. etc etc..many on very good money...
out of all of them its Junior Hoilett thats made the most appearances though..i could write a list of least value for moneyy players since ive been watching..Junior wouldnt make the top 500..he OWES us nothing..
Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:17 pm
Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:04 pm
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:06 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:I'm a Cardiff City fan Cardiff is my club and my priority I don't give a rats ass about short playing careers etc when the reality is these guys earn more in a week than some fans do in a year.
As said my priority is the club not the player if he's going to dither withdraw the offer and move on asap to prepare for the forthcoming season.
If he stays great if he goes well that's football.
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:09 pm
dogfound wrote:City Slicker wrote:Wayne S wrote:dadmancat wrote:I get my coffee in Cafe Nero every day and the barista gets paid because I and other do so. He doesn't owe me a debt of gratitude or any loyalty.
It's irrelevant that these footballers earn more money - it's simple supply and demand. We're prepared to pay that much for a player because there aren't that many with those skills and if we don't someone else will.
It's not a money thing, it's a weird football thing. As I said before supporters from clubs where players earn less than you have the same strange opinions.
Poor examples.
It's totally unacceptable to compare a person that could well be earning, IN A WEEK, what a Barista may earn in over a year.
It is totally a money thing with football not aware how the other half (or 90%) live.
Not blaming the players though, as you said it's supply and demand with them just pressing for a rise like anyone in society. It's the game as a whole that is, well, just wrong.
Totally correct! If the guy thinks he can get a better deal elsewhere then it's his prerogative to leave if he's out of contract. Many may believe otherwise but I personally think he owes Warnock a debt of loyalty. Very good player for us but if money is his motivation then I think we can find a replacement elsewhere. We should stick to our guns. If you give in to one you can suddenly get a free fall out of control.
way too many assumptions..maybe its money..maybe its length of contract..maybe something else...
maybe his debt of loyalty is fully paid up with interest by him agreeing to come here { everyone seems to think it was his only option yet everyone was excited and buzzing when he signed } ..
and maybe if you and i both knew what he has been offered in comparison to others including the new players ..maybe youd think its junior is rightfully sticking to his guns {assuming it is cash } and the club needs to sort it out..
as for finding replacements.....ive read this many times re both Gunner and Junior...its sounds much easier than it is..
on paper its simple in reality finding players that fit ,that are effective and give value for money is much more difficult..eg..
over the last 2 seasons we have signed 24 players plus many loanees ...tomlin , lambert, huws,immers , camp , Amos .. etc etc..many on very good money...
out of all of them its Junior Hoilett thats made the most appearances though..i could write a list of least value for moneyy players since ive been watching..Junior wouldnt make the top 500..he OWES us nothing..
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:27 pm
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:34 pm
dogfound wrote:had an absolutely fantastic season for us. and like all players is entitled to negotiate contracts....
what a bunch of OTT pathetic coments.