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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:35 pm

North Wales Blue wrote:He’s also got a track record of chasing the cash.


And he who is without sin cast the first stone. We all chase the cash.
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby 2blue2handle » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:40 pm

Put it this way, what if he had a brilliant season for say Fulham and was out of contract and City were in talks, would we be so harsh and demanding knowing we could potentially sign a 5 million + player on a free? I don't think so.
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby trotskie » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:43 pm

Nobody should slag anyone off until the facts are out. He still might sign for us!
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby trotskie » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:44 pm

Nobody should slag anyone off until the facts are out. He still might sign for us!
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby #1ScouseBluebird » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:46 pm

Irrespective of the reasoning for Hoillett not signing his improved contract, there’s some talk on social media he’s off to Stoke. mmmm. Bloody nora football is a funny business. I hope he does stay, he’s been great for us. But if its not to be, thanks for the memories Kidda. With murphy signed up im not that worried. I’m far more anxious about central midfield than Hoilett anyway - excited to see who NW brings in.
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby #1ScouseBluebird » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:47 pm

Irrespective of the reasoning for Hoillett not signing his improved contract, there’s some talk on social media he’s off to Stoke. mmmm. Bloody nora football is a funny business. I hope he does stay, he’s been great for us. But if its not to be, thanks for the memories Kidda. With murphy signed up im not that worried. I’m far more anxious about central midfield than Hoilett anyway - excited to see who NW brings in.
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Postby Stairway to Merthyr » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:58 pm

Personally I'll be disappointed if he goes. Most of our goal threat came through Hoillett last season and may not be so easy to replace without spending big. But the club have to stick to a wage structure no matter how much he's been offered from elsewhere.
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby bluebird12345 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:47 pm

Any one slagging off hoilett should have a word with themselves. For me our player of season. Didnt have to come here . His goals/assists help us get promotion . Always put a shift in. If he signs or not . Should respect his decision. Up to him what he wants to do.
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby dogfound » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:55 pm

WelshPatriot wrote:I'm a Cardiff City fan Cardiff is my club and my priority I don't give a rats ass about short playing careers etc when the reality is these guys earn more in a week than some fans do in a year.

As said my priority is the club not the player if he's going to dither withdraw the offer and move on asap to prepare for the forthcoming season.

If he stays great if he goes well that's football.



sorry but being a Cardiff fan to me includes being appreciative of our better players and wanting to keep them here..i cant see how anyone can want the opposite ..in this case without even knowing the facts...
and yes its football and players earn more than the average fan......but really what on earth has that got to do with it..
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby dogfound » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:07 pm

City Slicker wrote:
dogfound wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Wayne S wrote:
dadmancat wrote:I get my coffee in Cafe Nero every day and the barista gets paid because I and other do so. He doesn't owe me a debt of gratitude or any loyalty.

It's irrelevant that these footballers earn more money - it's simple supply and demand. We're prepared to pay that much for a player because there aren't that many with those skills and if we don't someone else will.

It's not a money thing, it's a weird football thing. As I said before supporters from clubs where players earn less than you have the same strange opinions.


Poor examples.

It's totally unacceptable to compare a person that could well be earning, IN A WEEK, what a Barista may earn in over a year.

It is totally a money thing with football not aware how the other half (or 90%) live.

Not blaming the players though, as you said it's supply and demand with them just pressing for a rise like anyone in society. It's the game as a whole that is, well, just wrong.


Totally correct! If the guy thinks he can get a better deal elsewhere then it's his prerogative to leave if he's out of contract. Many may believe otherwise but I personally think he owes Warnock a debt of loyalty. Very good player for us but if money is his motivation then I think we can find a replacement elsewhere. We should stick to our guns. If you give in to one you can suddenly get a free fall out of control.



way too many assumptions..maybe its money..maybe its length of contract..maybe something else...
maybe his debt of loyalty is fully paid up with interest by him agreeing to come here { everyone seems to think it was his only option yet everyone was excited and buzzing when he signed } ..
and maybe if you and i both knew what he has been offered in comparison to others including the new players ..maybe youd think its junior is rightfully sticking to his guns {assuming it is cash } and the club needs to sort it out..

as for finding replacements.....ive read this many times re both Gunner and Junior...its sounds much easier than it is..
on paper its simple in reality finding players that fit ,that are effective and give value for money is much more difficult..eg..
over the last 2 seasons we have signed 24 players plus many loanees ...tomlin , lambert, huws,immers , camp , Amos .. etc etc..many on very good money...
out of all of them its Junior Hoilett thats made the most appearances though..i could write a list of least value for moneyy players since ive been watching..Junior wouldnt make the top 500..he OWES us nothing..


What do you think then brainbox, if it's not money in some shape of form what do you think it is? Perhaps he wants to be able to read out the pre-match announcements?



so now you want ME to be totally stupid and make wild assumptions too....?
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby Sneggyblubird » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:22 pm

Never seen so many people add 2 and 2 and come up with 9. Didn't Warnock say a minor problem with his contract?
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby City Slicker » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:24 pm

dogfound wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
dogfound wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Wayne S wrote:
dadmancat wrote:I get my coffee in Cafe Nero every day and the barista gets paid because I and other do so. He doesn't owe me a debt of gratitude or any loyalty.

It's irrelevant that these footballers earn more money - it's simple supply and demand. We're prepared to pay that much for a player because there aren't that many with those skills and if we don't someone else will.

It's not a money thing, it's a weird football thing. As I said before supporters from clubs where players earn less than you have the same strange opinions.


Poor examples.

It's totally unacceptable to compare a person that could well be earning, IN A WEEK, what a Barista may earn in over a year.

It is totally a money thing with football not aware how the other half (or 90%) live.

Not blaming the players though, as you said it's supply and demand with them just pressing for a rise like anyone in society. It's the game as a whole that is, well, just wrong.


Totally correct! If the guy thinks he can get a better deal elsewhere then it's his prerogative to leave if he's out of contract. Many may believe otherwise but I personally think he owes Warnock a debt of loyalty. Very good player for us but if money is his motivation then I think we can find a replacement elsewhere. We should stick to our guns. If you give in to one you can suddenly get a free fall out of control.



way too many assumptions..maybe its money..maybe its length of contract..maybe something else...
maybe his debt of loyalty is fully paid up with interest by him agreeing to come here { everyone seems to think it was his only option yet everyone was excited and buzzing when he signed } ..
and maybe if you and i both knew what he has been offered in comparison to others including the new players ..maybe youd think its junior is rightfully sticking to his guns {assuming it is cash } and the club needs to sort it out..

as for finding replacements.....ive read this many times re both Gunner and Junior...its sounds much easier than it is..
on paper its simple in reality finding players that fit ,that are effective and give value for money is much more difficult..eg..
over the last 2 seasons we have signed 24 players plus many loanees ...tomlin , lambert, huws,immers , camp , Amos .. etc etc..many on very good money...
out of all of them its Junior Hoilett thats made the most appearances though..i could write a list of least value for moneyy players since ive been watching..Junior wouldnt make the top 500..he OWES us nothing..


What do you think then brainbox, if it's not money in some shape of form what do you think it is? Perhaps he wants to be able to read out the pre-match announcements?



so now you want ME to be totally stupid and make wild assumptions too....?


Well that's not going to be difficult is it???
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby dogfound » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:37 am

City Slicker wrote:
dogfound wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
dogfound wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Wayne S wrote:
dadmancat wrote:I get my coffee in Cafe Nero every day and the barista gets paid because I and other do so. He doesn't owe me a debt of gratitude or any loyalty.

It's irrelevant that these footballers earn more money - it's simple supply and demand. We're prepared to pay that much for a player because there aren't that many with those skills and if we don't someone else will.

It's not a money thing, it's a weird football thing. As I said before supporters from clubs where players earn less than you have the same strange opinions.


Poor examples.

It's totally unacceptable to compare a person that could well be earning, IN A WEEK, what a Barista may earn in over a year.

It is totally a money thing with football not aware how the other half (or 90%) live.

Not blaming the players though, as you said it's supply and demand with them just pressing for a rise like anyone in society. It's the game as a whole that is, well, just wrong.


Totally correct! If the guy thinks he can get a better deal elsewhere then it's his prerogative to leave if he's out of contract. Many may believe otherwise but I personally think he owes Warnock a debt of loyalty. Very good player for us but if money is his motivation then I think we can find a replacement elsewhere. We should stick to our guns. If you give in to one you can suddenly get a free fall out of control.



way too many assumptions..maybe its money..maybe its length of contract..maybe something else...
maybe his debt of loyalty is fully paid up with interest by him agreeing to come here { everyone seems to think it was his only option yet everyone was excited and buzzing when he signed } ..
and maybe if you and i both knew what he has been offered in comparison to others including the new players ..maybe youd think its junior is rightfully sticking to his guns {assuming it is cash } and the club needs to sort it out..

as for finding replacements.....ive read this many times re both Gunner and Junior...its sounds much easier than it is..
on paper its simple in reality finding players that fit ,that are effective and give value for money is much more difficult..eg..
over the last 2 seasons we have signed 24 players plus many loanees ...tomlin , lambert, huws,immers , camp , Amos .. etc etc..many on very good money...
out of all of them its Junior Hoilett thats made the most appearances though..i could write a list of least value for moneyy players since ive been watching..Junior wouldnt make the top 500..he OWES us nothing..


What do you think then brainbox, if it's not money in some shape of form what do you think it is? Perhaps he wants to be able to read out the pre-match announcements?



so now you want ME to be totally stupid and make wild assumptions too....?


Well that's not going to be difficult is it???



actually its not just difficult its impossible so long as your around with your closed mind thinking..youve made up a whole story about him being money motivated and owing Warnock some debt of loyalty, without actually knowing anything at all about the contract offer or his relationship with our manager.
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby 103 Barmy Army » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:54 am

Very good player for us and I hope he stays as I think he’s an integral part of the team.

Having said that, if he “does a Karen” then I wish him all the best and will be thankful for his contribution whilst at Cardiff City.
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby Wayne S » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:55 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
North Wales Blue wrote:He’s also got a track record of chasing the cash.


And he who is without sin cast the first stone. We all chase the cash.


We don't all chase the cash. But it is the assumption that we do that makes the world what it is today.
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:20 am

OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:Thanks and your line about not condemning him before we know the facts is spot on.
Some posters on here just attack when they know nothing. It’s a sign of a limited mentality and intelligence I guess.


I agree that posters should be more objective but it is not always their fault that the full facts are not known. It is perfectly reasonable to have an opinion on the facts which are known and come to a conclusion based on that. It has nothing to do with limited mentality or intelligence.
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby Tony Blue Williams » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:25 am

Wayne S wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
North Wales Blue wrote:He’s also got a track record of chasing the cash.


And he who is without sin cast the first stone. We all chase the cash.


We don't all chase the cash. But it is the assumption that we do that makes the world what it is today.


I totally disagree we all in our own way chase the cash even if it's an inflation based pay rise. However, not everyone will admit it and pretend to be holier than thou.

However, on your wider point about the type of world it has created I do have some sympathy with your view.
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Re: OH OH! Hoillett problems

Postby City Slicker » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:57 am

Wayne S wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
North Wales Blue wrote:He’s also got a track record of chasing the cash.


And he who is without sin cast the first stone. We all chase the cash.


We don't all chase the cash. But it is the assumption that we do that makes the world what it is today.


Well said Wayne, I totally agree
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