O/T Brexit Secretary & Foreign Secertary Resign!

Except we didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. Nowhere on the ballot paper was this started and even your Leave top dogs maintained we would stay in the single market.

Before the referendum every household in the UK received a pamphlet from the Government at a cost of £9m which clearly explained that if the UK voted to leave that would mean leaving both the Custom's Union and the Single Market.

In any case both are so fundamental to the EU that it is dead raving obvious that a leave vote meant leaving both the CU & SM.

When I voted to leave I did so fully understanding that we would leave both. It is really annoying when remoaners keep stating that those who voted leave didn't know this despite receiving that information directly from the Government

Put it this way if you voted to remain where did it say on the ballot paper the UK would remain in both the CU & SM?

Totally agree

Except we didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. Nowhere on the ballot paper was this started and even your Leave top dogs maintained we would stay in the single market.

Before the referendum every household in the UK received a pamphlet from the Government at a cost of £9m which clearly explained that if the UK voted to leave that would mean leaving both the Custom's Union and the Single Market.

In any case both are so fundamental to the EU that it is dead raving obvious that a leave vote meant leaving both the CU & SM.

When I voted to leave I did so fully understanding that we would leave both. It is really annoying when remoaners keep stating that those who voted leave didn't know this despite receiving that information directly from the Government

Put it this way if you voted to remain where did it say on the ballot paper the UK would remain in both the CU & SM?

Totally agree

It’s a fallacy to say we “didn’t know what we were voting for”.

We did. It’s those seeking to muddy waters for their own ends that trot that out. It was made clear what it would entail by both sides. We knew!

Boris Johnson’s replacement has been confirmed as Health Minister, Jeremy Hunt.

Boris Johnson’s replacement has been confirmed as Health Minister, Jeremy Hunt.

Oh dear

Sweet baby jesus

That was the second vote and wasn't clear enough. The third one would be better proposed with people more aware of the ramifications. Youre bviously a mad keen Leaver, why are you shit scared? Are you afraid public opinion has changed?

There wasn't a second vote in 1975 when the UK voted to join the Common Market. There were no referendums on the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties which altered the structure of the Common Market and created the EU with it's Customs Union, Single Market and Freedoms of movement.

So why should there be a 'second referendum' just so project fear can have another crack at frightening people into changing their minds? BTW I don't believe leavers have changed their minds and quite rightly want the Government to honour the result of the 2016 referendum before there is even any talk of a second referendum.

Well of course you can believe what you want. The 1975 plebiscite was the first referendum, 2016 was the second so s precedent has already been set. What's the problem with having a third? If you're so convinced your lot will win again you should welcome it.

Going on your logic the 'third' referendum will be 41 years after the 'second' one in other words 2057

No, it's nothing to do with time constraints It's a consequence of political expediency and can happen anytime. The 2016 referendum wasn't scheduled to take place 41 years after the first one; it was called because David Cameron used it as a stratagem to take the wind out of the sails of his far right flank. He was certain it would be a Remain vote and that would ensure their emasculation. He got it spectacularly wrong. But in any case even if Remain had won it would never have definitively shut down the argument, and as one Nigel Garage said on the referendum night, if Leave had lost he would not give up his fight and would campaign for another referendum..... surprise surprise! And incidentally, just 6 months ago or so he claimed he would now like a third referendum because the government's negotiating stance isn't "Brexity" enough. You couldn't make it up, could you?

No, the third referendum will undoubtedly come and it could be at any time, so make sure you prepare for it. Already there is a mounting head of steam from both sides of the argument and, something is bound to happen, but when....who knows?

The one thing I would say to you Brexteers is the sooner it happens the better for you because the demographic dynamic is not in your favour. The Leave vote is dying out in greater numbers because it is largely an older demographic, and of course more and more tranches of the younger vote become eligible to vote year on year, and that is largely a Remain demographic. So I think if I were you I'd be campaigning for another referendum PDQ

Boris Johnson’s replacement has been confirmed as Health Minister, Jeremy Hunt.

Oh dear

Boy this is getting really interesting

That was the second vote and wasn't clear enough. The third one would be better proposed with people more aware of the ramifications. Youre bviously a mad keen Leaver, why are you shit scared? Are you afraid public opinion has changed?

There wasn't a second vote in 1975 when the UK voted to join the Common Market. There were no referendums on the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties which altered the structure of the Common Market and created the EU with it's Customs Union, Single Market and Freedoms of movement.

So why should there be a 'second referendum' just so project fear can have another crack at frightening people into changing their minds? BTW I don't believe leavers have changed their minds and quite rightly want the Government to honour the result of the 2016 referendum before there is even any talk of a second referendum.

Well of course you can believe what you want. The 1975 plebiscite was the first referendum, 2016 was the second so s precedent has already been set. What's the problem with having a third? If you're so convinced your lot will win again you should welcome it.

Going on your logic the 'third' referendum will be 41 years after the 'second' one in other words 2057

No, it's nothing to do with time constraints It's a consequence of political expediency and can happen anytime. The 2016 referendum wasn't scheduled to take place 41 years after the first one; it was called because David Cameron used it as a stratagem to take the wind out of the sails of his far right flank. He was certain it would be a Remain vote and that would ensure their emasculation. He got it spectacularly wrong. But in any case even if Remain had won it would never have definitively shut down the argument, and as one Nigel Garage said on the referendum night, if Leave had lost he would not give up his fight and would campaign for another referendum..... surprise surprise! And incidentally, just 6 months ago or so he claimed he would now like a third referendum because the government's negotiating stance isn't "Brexity" enough. You couldn't make it up, could you?

No, the third referendum will undoubtedly come and it could be at any time, so make sure you prepare for it. Already there is a mounting head of steam from both sides of the argument and, something is bound to happen, but when....who knows?

The one thing I would say to you Brexteers is the sooner it happens the better for you because the demographic dynamic is not in your favour. The Leave vote is dying out in greater numbers because it is largely an older demographic, and of course more and more tranches of the younger vote become eligible to vote year on year, and that is largely a Remain demographic. So I think if I were you I'd be campaigning for another referendum PDQ

Wishfull thinking there will be no 3rd referendum, the leave date is in law we will be leaving the eu ,suck it up buttercup

That was the second vote and wasn't clear enough. The third one would be better proposed with people more aware of the ramifications. Youre bviously a mad keen Leaver, why are you shit scared? Are you afraid public opinion has changed?

There wasn't a second vote in 1975 when the UK voted to join the Common Market. There were no referendums on the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties which altered the structure of the Common Market and created the EU with it's Customs Union, Single Market and Freedoms of movement.

So why should there be a 'second referendum' just so project fear can have another crack at frightening people into changing their minds? BTW I don't believe leavers have changed their minds and quite rightly want the Government to honour the result of the 2016 referendum before there is even any talk of a second referendum.

Well of course you can believe what you want. The 1975 plebiscite was the first referendum, 2016 was the second so s precedent has already been set. What's the problem with having a third? If you're so convinced your lot will win again you should welcome it.

Going on your logic the 'third' referendum will be 41 years after the 'second' one in other words 2057

No, it's nothing to do with time constraints It's a consequence of political expediency and can happen anytime. The 2016 referendum wasn't scheduled to take place 41 years after the first one; it was called because David Cameron used it as a stratagem to take the wind out of the sails of his far right flank. He was certain it would be a Remain vote and that would ensure their emasculation. He got it spectacularly wrong. But in any case even if Remain had won it would never have definitively shut down the argument, and as one Nigel Garage said on the referendum night, if Leave had lost he would not give up his fight and would campaign for another referendum..... surprise surprise! And incidentally, just 6 months ago or so he claimed he would now like a third referendum because the government's negotiating stance isn't "Brexity" enough. You couldn't make it up, could you?

No, the third referendum will undoubtedly come and it could be at any time, so make sure you prepare for it. Already there is a mounting head of steam from both sides of the argument and, something is bound to happen, but when....who knows?

The one thing I would say to you Brexteers is the sooner it happens the better for you because the demographic dynamic is not in your favour. The Leave vote is dying out in greater numbers because it is largely an older demographic, and of course more and more tranches of the younger vote become eligible to vote year on year, and that is largely a Remain demographic. So I think if I were you I'd be campaigning for another referendum PDQ

Wishfull thinking there will be no 3rd referendum, the leave date is in law we will be leaving the eu ,suck it up buttercup

No chance bluebell but you believe what you want if it makes you feel better

The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side

It's more the meltdown that may come after leaving if a hard or no deal exit occurs, this is when a large number of big business withdraws from the uk as the legistration that under pins them is governed by the EU.

So you've bought into project fear then.

Not so much bought into it, but through work like many, are identifying Risk based on various scenarios post exit scenarios.

What about the effect if us leaving EU? It is not a one way street and EU countries have as much to lose as we have in fact several countries will go bust if some of the scenarios happen if we leave!

We run a £70b trade deficit with the EU
Almost a fifth of German car exports is to the U.K. we are a more important market for them than the US and Japan combined.
A no deal will hurt them more than us trade wise.

Was thinking of Greece spain particularly with lack of tourism plus fishing fleets wine ect ect if EU puts block on us accessing things we should show balls and say we will stop doing things that will hurt EU and that will be end of common market

The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side

It's more the meltdown that may come after leaving if a hard or no deal exit occurs, this is when a large number of big business withdraws from the uk as the legistration that under pins them is governed by the EU.

So you've bought into project fear then.

Not so much bought into it, but through work like many, are identifying Risk based on various scenarios post exit scenarios.

What about the effect if us leaving EU? It is not a one way street and EU countries have as much to lose as we have in fact several countries will go bust if some of the scenarios happen if we leave!

We run a £70b trade deficit with the EU
Almost a fifth of German car exports is to the U.K. we are a more important market for them than the US and Japan combined.
A no deal will hurt them more than us trade wise.

Was thinking of Greece spain particularly with lack of tourism plus fishing fleets wine ect ect if EU puts block on us accessing things we should show balls and say we will stop doing things that will hurt EU and that will be end of common market

Agree we will get a free trade agreement

Matt Hancock has moved from Culture, Media and Sport to Health Secretary.

The Attorney General, Jeremy Wright replaces Hancock at Culture, Media and Sport.

One of Hunt’s first responsibilities as Foreign Secretary will be to welcome the President of the USA, Donald Trump, to the UK on Thursday.

One of Hunt’s first responsibilities as Foreign Secretary will be to welcome the President of the USA, Donald Trump, to the UK on Thursday.

another remainer

Put it this way if you voted to remain where did it say on the ballot paper the UK would remain in both the CU & SM?

It didn’t have to say it on the ballot paper. The EU is t the same as the SM, see Norway who are part of the SM and not the EU

One of Hunt’s first responsibilities as Foreign Secretary will be to welcome the President of the USA, Donald Trump, to the UK on Thursday.

another remainer

No he changed sides last week

One of Hunt’s first responsibilities as Foreign Secretary will be to welcome the President of the USA, Donald Trump, to the UK on Thursday.

another remainer

No he changed sides last week

if you say so

One of Hunt’s first responsibilities as Foreign Secretary will be to welcome the President of the USA, Donald Trump, to the UK on Thursday.

another remainer

No he changed sides last week

if you say so

I think he started out as a lukewarm Remainer Wez, much like the Maybot, but he's more a career politician interested in status than a man of conviction and last week he had a go at berating business leaders because they were negative about Brexit and he told them to keep their oar out! No, you'll be fine with him

Matt Hancock has moved from Culture, Media and Sport to Health Secretary.

The Attorney General, Jeremy Wright replaces Hancock at Culture, Media and Sport.

Matt Wancock....another dim tosser

Soft runny brexit it is then. Too many jobs if we go out on wtt

Peoole not educated enough on the subject when vote happened. Too many sheep heads didnt no full ramifications

For me Boris Johnson is a dangerous Fool.

I always fe!t that there should NOT have been a referendum.
Cameron put the interests of the Tory party before those of the UK.
It backfired because sufficient voters followed the "lead" of people like Johnson Gove Mogg and Ian Duncan Smith!!I
AND remember Johnson couldn't make up his mind whether he was for Brexit and only decided at the last minute!
Surely these upper class privately schooled twits couldn't get the majority of working class to support them. Unbelievable!
Or maybe not.....
They used downright lies about Immigration control and the Health Service investment of alleged "savings". It now appears they also broke financial rules.
soon after we had Gove not supporting Johnson for leader and putting himself forward (No loyalty among thieves) and saying he would not be competent Now we have David Davies resigning with some grace. And, again LATE in the day Johnson decided to go too and make a song and dance about it. Thinking, on balance, his support for the May proposals would alienate his MP supporters. He was poor as foreign Secretary as his main concern is Boris Johnson and wanting to lead the Tories.
Sadly the gullible see him as some sort of hero saving his little Union Jack flags!! IMHO he is an unprincipled buffoon.
sadly behind every fool there are bigger fools that follow them.
Next week Trump visits ...whoopee
.......I am over 60 and these are the worst set of politicians that I can remember....absolute garbage
Rant over

That was the second vote and wasn't clear enough. The third one would be better proposed with people more aware of the ramifications. Youre bviously a mad keen Leaver, why are you shit scared? Are you afraid public opinion has changed?

What are the ramifications?

How long have you got?

a lot more than you im sure

Why, are you out of work?

i wish

so what are the ramifications?

Damn, this must be a long list.....

Soft runny brexit it is then. Too many jobs if we go out on wtt

Peoole not educated enough on the subject when vote happened. Too many sheep heads didnt no full ramifications

Yep. Only the remainers had the intelligence to know what it was all about. Rest of us (which happened to be the majority) too thick to know what we were voting for.

That was the second vote and wasn't clear enough. The third one would be better proposed with people more aware of the ramifications. Youre bviously a mad keen Leaver, why are you shit scared? Are you afraid public opinion has changed?

What are the ramifications?

How long have you got?

a lot more than you im sure

Why, are you out of work?

i wish

so what are the ramifications?

Damn, this must be a long list.....

Well I'm not sure if you've been able to engage with the political debate over the last 20 years but I'm sure if someone could help you out and point you in the right direction then you might find your answer there but I'm sorry I haven't got time to help you out. Oh, and you're damned right, it's a mighty long list

Soft runny brexit it is then. Too many jobs if we go out on wtt

Peoole not educated enough on the subject when vote happened. Too many sheep heads didnt no full ramifications

Yep. Only the remainers had the intelligence to know what it was all about. Rest of us (which happened to be the majority) too thick to know what we were voting for.

Don't be hard on yourself Steve

For me Boris Johnson is a dangerous Fool.

I always fe!t that there should NOT have been a referendum.
Cameron put the interests of the Tory party before those of the UK.
It backfired because sufficient voters followed the "lead" of people like Johnson Gove Mogg and Ian Duncan Smith!!I
AND remember Johnson couldn't make up his mind whether he was for Brexit and only decided at the last minute!
Surely these upper class privately schooled twits couldn't get the majority of working class to support them. Unbelievable!
Or maybe not.....
They used downright lies about Immigration control and the Health Service investment of alleged "savings". It now appears they also broke financial rules.
soon after we had Gove not supporting Johnson for leader and putting himself forward (No loyalty among thieves) and saying he would not be competent Now we have David Davies resigning with some grace. And, again LATE in the day Johnson decided to go too and make a song and dance about it. Thinking, on balance, his support for the May proposals would alienate his MP supporters. He was poor as foreign Secretary as his main concern is Boris Johnson and wanting to lead the Tories.
Sadly the gullible see him as some sort of hero saving his little Union Jack flags!! IMHO he is an unprincipled buffoon.
sadly behind every fool there are bigger fools that follow them.
Next week Trump visits ...whoopee
.......I am over 60 and these are the worst set of politicians that I can remember....absolute garbage
Rant over

Best thread of the day, sense at last! In a parliamentary democracy one just knows there's certain issues which shouldn't be decided by the populace. David Cameron opened Pandora's box and in so doing he may well have caused the destruction of the Conservative and Unionist Party. Of course for many of us this will be manna from Heaven.

That was the second vote and wasn't clear enough. The third one would be better proposed with people more aware of the ramifications. Youre bviously a mad keen Leaver, why are you shit scared? Are you afraid public opinion has changed?

What are the ramifications?

How long have you got?

a lot more than you im sure

Why, are you out of work?

i wish

so what are the ramifications?

Damn, this must be a long list.....

Well I'm not sure if you've been able to engage with the political debate over the last 20 years but I'm sure if someone could help you out and point you in the right direction then you might find your answer there but I'm sorry I haven't got time to help you out. Oh, and you're damned right, it's a mighty long list

these ramifications are the cornerstone of the remain / 2nd election people though...
yet time and time again its rants about Boris, union jacks, the end of the tory party and vague threats about financial meltdown.. ...and no real answer...
truth be told if any of these ramifications could be proved there would be overwhelming demands from the public and our government for a rethink 2nd vote...there is not.
nobody knows, wild guesses counter guesses ..predictions and counter predictions, promises and counter promises..people took sides ..voted..and the losers havent accepted it..

That was the second vote and wasn't clear enough. The third one would be better proposed with people more aware of the ramifications. Youre bviously a mad keen Leaver, why are you shit scared? Are you afraid public opinion has changed?

What are the ramifications?

How long have you got?

a lot more than you im sure

Why, are you out of work?

i wish

so what are the ramifications?

Damn, this must be a long list.....

Well I'm not sure if you've been able to engage with the political debate over the last 20 years but I'm sure if someone could help you out and point you in the right direction then you might find your answer there but I'm sorry I haven't got time to help you out. Oh, and you're damned right, it's a mighty long list

Just rally off a few from the top of the list then I don’t mind

That was the second vote and wasn't clear enough. The third one would be better proposed with people more aware of the ramifications. Youre bviously a mad keen Leaver, why are you shit scared? Are you afraid public opinion has changed?

What are the ramifications?

How long have you got?

a lot more than you im sure

Why, are you out of work?

i wish

so what are the ramifications?

Damn, this must be a long list.....

Well I'm not sure if you've been able to engage with the political debate over the last 20 years but I'm sure if someone could help you out and point you in the right direction then you might find your answer there but I'm sorry I haven't got time to help you out. Oh, and you're damned right, it's a mighty long list

Just rally off a few from the top of the list then I don’t mind

No, don't be so lazy. Do some homework and find out for yourself, there's a good boy