Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:23 pm
Jock wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Jock wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:Hopefully.. May can recruit a more competent replacement and get a united party.. And deliver a brexit that actually works.. And yes that means a soft one staying in the single market.
That’s not Brexit, that’s not what the electorate voted for. We voted leave.
I voted remain, and stand by it.
But you’re spot on. The majority voted for Brexit and it’s clear they meant a “hard Brexit”.
I believe in democracy and the majority’s decision should be followed through.
I’d like to think I’d be as honourable and decent had the vote went the other way. The fake news and disinformation surrounding all of this has been savage. I’m totally disgusted by the whole thing.
I’m not saying it would be never ending. The vote to Leave was made not knowing what it would be like, with a deal or no deal, hard Brexit, soft Brexit. I would argue it’s more democratic to allow a people’s vote now we know how we’re leaving (assuming no deal)
There was never a soft Brexit option, we voted to leave the single market, customs union and ECJ jurisdiction, you voted remain? What do you think the EU will be like in 10 years time, do you actually believe you were voting for the status quo.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:28 pm
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Jock wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:Hopefully.. May can recruit a more competent replacement and get a united party.. And deliver a brexit that actually works.. And yes that means a soft one staying in the single market.
That’s not Brexit, that’s not what the electorate voted for. We voted leave.
I voted remain, and stand by it.
But you’re spot on. The majority voted for Brexit and it’s clear they meant a “hard Brexit”.
I believe in democracy and the majority’s decision should be followed through.
I’d like to think I’d be as honourable and decent had the vote went the other way. The fake news and disinformation surrounding all of this has been savage. I’m totally disgusted by the whole thing.
I’m not saying it would be never ending. The vote to Leave was made not knowing what it would be like, with a deal or no deal, hard Brexit, soft Brexit. I would argue it’s more democratic to allow a people’s vote now we know how we’re leaving (assuming no deal)
There was never a soft Brexit option, we voted to leave the single market, customs union and ECJ jurisdiction, you voted remain? What do you think the EU will be like in 10 years time, do you actually believe you were voting for the status quo.
Except we didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. Nowhere on the ballot paper was this started and even your Leave top dogs maintained we would stay in the single market.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:28 pm
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Jock wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:Hopefully.. May can recruit a more competent replacement and get a united party.. And deliver a brexit that actually works.. And yes that means a soft one staying in the single market.
That’s not Brexit, that’s not what the electorate voted for. We voted leave.
I voted remain, and stand by it.
But you’re spot on. The majority voted for Brexit and it’s clear they meant a “hard Brexit”.
I believe in democracy and the majority’s decision should be followed through.
I’d like to think I’d be as honourable and decent had the vote went the other way. The fake news and disinformation surrounding all of this has been savage. I’m totally disgusted by the whole thing.
I’m not saying it would be never ending. The vote to Leave was made not knowing what it would be like, with a deal or no deal, hard Brexit, soft Brexit. I would argue it’s more democratic to allow a people’s vote now we know how we’re leaving (assuming no deal)
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:31 pm
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Jock wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:Hopefully.. May can recruit a more competent replacement and get a united party.. And deliver a brexit that actually works.. And yes that means a soft one staying in the single market.
That’s not Brexit, that’s not what the electorate voted for. We voted leave.
I voted remain, and stand by it.
But you’re spot on. The majority voted for Brexit and it’s clear they meant a “hard Brexit”.
I believe in democracy and the majority’s decision should be followed through.
I’d like to think I’d be as honourable and decent had the vote went the other way. The fake news and disinformation surrounding all of this has been savage. I’m totally disgusted by the whole thing.
I’m not saying it would be never ending. The vote to Leave was made not knowing what it would be like, with a deal or no deal, hard Brexit, soft Brexit. I would argue it’s more democratic to allow a people’s vote now we know how we’re leaving (assuming no deal)
There was never a soft Brexit option, we voted to leave the single market, customs union and ECJ jurisdiction, you voted remain? What do you think the EU will be like in 10 years time, do you actually believe you were voting for the status quo.
Except we didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. Nowhere on the ballot paper was this started and even your Leave top dogs maintained we would stay in the single market.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:34 pm
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:35 pm
Jock wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Jock wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:Hopefully.. May can recruit a more competent replacement and get a united party.. And deliver a brexit that actually works.. And yes that means a soft one staying in the single market.
That’s not Brexit, that’s not what the electorate voted for. We voted leave.
I voted remain, and stand by it.
But you’re spot on. The majority voted for Brexit and it’s clear they meant a “hard Brexit”.
I believe in democracy and the majority’s decision should be followed through.
I’d like to think I’d be as honourable and decent had the vote went the other way. The fake news and disinformation surrounding all of this has been savage. I’m totally disgusted by the whole thing.
I’m not saying it would be never ending. The vote to Leave was made not knowing what it would be like, with a deal or no deal, hard Brexit, soft Brexit. I would argue it’s more democratic to allow a people’s vote now we know how we’re leaving (assuming no deal)
There was never a soft Brexit option, we voted to leave the single market, customs union and ECJ jurisdiction, you voted remain? What do you think the EU will be like in 10 years time, do you actually believe you were voting for the status quo.
Except we didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. Nowhere on the ballot paper was this started and even your Leave top dogs maintained we would stay in the single market.
Yawn....David Cameron stated unequivocally that voting leave meant leaving the single market and customs union, one week before the referendum. It was clear what Brexit entailed.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:36 pm
Jock wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Jock wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:Hopefully.. May can recruit a more competent replacement and get a united party.. And deliver a brexit that actually works.. And yes that means a soft one staying in the single market.
That’s not Brexit, that’s not what the electorate voted for. We voted leave.
I voted remain, and stand by it.
But you’re spot on. The majority voted for Brexit and it’s clear they meant a “hard Brexit”.
I believe in democracy and the majority’s decision should be followed through.
I’d like to think I’d be as honourable and decent had the vote went the other way. The fake news and disinformation surrounding all of this has been savage. I’m totally disgusted by the whole thing.
I’m not saying it would be never ending. The vote to Leave was made not knowing what it would be like, with a deal or no deal, hard Brexit, soft Brexit. I would argue it’s more democratic to allow a people’s vote now we know how we’re leaving (assuming no deal)
There was never a soft Brexit option, we voted to leave the single market, customs union and ECJ jurisdiction, you voted remain? What do you think the EU will be like in 10 years time, do you actually believe you were voting for the status quo.
Except we didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. Nowhere on the ballot paper was this started and even your Leave top dogs maintained we would stay in the single market.
Yawn....David Cameron stated unequivocally that voting leave meant leaving the single market and customs union, one week before the referendum. It was clear what Brexit entailed.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:40 pm
wez1927 wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Jock wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:Hopefully.. May can recruit a more competent replacement and get a united party.. And deliver a brexit that actually works.. And yes that means a soft one staying in the single market.
That’s not Brexit, that’s not what the electorate voted for. We voted leave.
I voted remain, and stand by it.
But you’re spot on. The majority voted for Brexit and it’s clear they meant a “hard Brexit”.
I believe in democracy and the majority’s decision should be followed through.
I’d like to think I’d be as honourable and decent had the vote went the other way. The fake news and disinformation surrounding all of this has been savage. I’m totally disgusted by the whole thing.
I’m not saying it would be never ending. The vote to Leave was made not knowing what it would be like, with a deal or no deal, hard Brexit, soft Brexit. I would argue it’s more democratic to allow a people’s vote now we know how we’re leaving (assuming no deal)
There was never a soft Brexit option, we voted to leave the single market, customs union and ECJ jurisdiction, you voted remain? What do you think the EU will be like in 10 years time, do you actually believe you were voting for the status quo.
Except we didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. Nowhere on the ballot paper was this started and even your Leave top dogs maintained we would stay in the single market.
It was made very clear from all sides that would mean leaving both, to suggest otherwise is a lie
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:43 pm
wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:58 pm
langstoneBlue wrote:wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
It's more the meltdown that may come after leaving if a hard or no deal exit occurs, this is when a large number of big business withdraws from the uk as the legistration that under pins them is governed by the EU.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:58 pm
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:wez1927 wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Jock wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:Hopefully.. May can recruit a more competent replacement and get a united party.. And deliver a brexit that actually works.. And yes that means a soft one staying in the single market.
That’s not Brexit, that’s not what the electorate voted for. We voted leave.
I voted remain, and stand by it.
But you’re spot on. The majority voted for Brexit and it’s clear they meant a “hard Brexit”.
I believe in democracy and the majority’s decision should be followed through.
I’d like to think I’d be as honourable and decent had the vote went the other way. The fake news and disinformation surrounding all of this has been savage. I’m totally disgusted by the whole thing.
I’m not saying it would be never ending. The vote to Leave was made not knowing what it would be like, with a deal or no deal, hard Brexit, soft Brexit. I would argue it’s more democratic to allow a people’s vote now we know how we’re leaving (assuming no deal)
There was never a soft Brexit option, we voted to leave the single market, customs union and ECJ jurisdiction, you voted remain? What do you think the EU will be like in 10 years time, do you actually believe you were voting for the status quo.
Except we didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. Nowhere on the ballot paper was this started and even your Leave top dogs maintained we would stay in the single market.
It was made very clear from all sides that would mean leaving both, to suggest otherwise is a lie
It's not a lie though is it Wez.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 04846.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... m-36477543
https://www.politico.eu/article/post-br ... le-market/
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:00 pm
langstoneBlue wrote:wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
It's more the meltdown that may come after leaving if a hard or no deal exit occurs, this is when a large number of big business withdraws from the uk as the legistration that under pins them is governed by the EU.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:01 pm
langstoneBlue wrote:wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
It's more the meltdown that may come after leaving if a hard or no deal exit occurs, this is when a large number of big business withdraws from the uk as the legistration that under pins them is governed by the EU.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:02 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
It's more the meltdown that may come after leaving if a hard or no deal exit occurs, this is when a large number of big business withdraws from the uk as the legistration that under pins them is governed by the EU.
So you've bought into project fear then.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:12 pm
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:14 pm
wez1927 wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
It's more the meltdown that may come after leaving if a hard or no deal exit occurs, this is when a large number of big business withdraws from the uk as the legistration that under pins them is governed by the EU.
Meltdown ???? Explain please
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:18 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:wez1927 wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
It's more the meltdown that may come after leaving if a hard or no deal exit occurs, this is when a large number of big business withdraws from the uk as the legistration that under pins them is governed by the EU.
Meltdown ???? Explain please
Easy Wez. In the event of a "leave" vote the economy would fall off the edge of a cliff almost immediately, the pound would collapse, unemployment would soar, and an emergency budget would be required to keep our heads above water. Still waiting for all this to happen, even though we were told that this would be the result just by voting to leave.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:25 pm
langstoneBlue wrote:wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
It's more the meltdown that may come after leaving if a hard or no deal exit occurs, this is when a large number of big business withdraws from the uk as the legistration that under pins them is governed by the EU.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:34 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:wez1927 wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Jock wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Jock wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:Hopefully.. May can recruit a more competent replacement and get a united party.. And deliver a brexit that actually works.. And yes that means a soft one staying in the single market.
That’s not Brexit, that’s not what the electorate voted for. We voted leave.
I voted remain, and stand by it.
But you’re spot on. The majority voted for Brexit and it’s clear they meant a “hard Brexit”.
I believe in democracy and the majority’s decision should be followed through.
I’d like to think I’d be as honourable and decent had the vote went the other way. The fake news and disinformation surrounding all of this has been savage. I’m totally disgusted by the whole thing.
I’m not saying it would be never ending. The vote to Leave was made not knowing what it would be like, with a deal or no deal, hard Brexit, soft Brexit. I would argue it’s more democratic to allow a people’s vote now we know how we’re leaving (assuming no deal)
There was never a soft Brexit option, we voted to leave the single market, customs union and ECJ jurisdiction, you voted remain? What do you think the EU will be like in 10 years time, do you actually believe you were voting for the status quo.
Except we didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. Nowhere on the ballot paper was this started and even your Leave top dogs maintained we would stay in the single market.
It was made very clear from all sides that would mean leaving both, to suggest otherwise is a lie
It's not a lie though is it Wez.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 04846.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... m-36477543
https://www.politico.eu/article/post-br ... le-market/
Below is copied and pasted from an interview with Andrew Marr in 2016. The interview can still be viewed. It was made clear that we would not stay in the single market.
David Cameron confirmed Sunday that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:37 pm
wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:15 pm
CityBlue93 wrote:wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
none of which has come true? we haven't even left yet
Can you post a link saying we're going to be spending an extra 350m a week on the nhs post brexit? havent seen anything about that
Agree though i voted remain, but now think should just get on with it as its gone to democratic vote
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:17 pm
CityBlue93 wrote:wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
none of which has come true? we haven't even left yet
Can you post a link saying we're going to be spending an extra 350m a week on the nhs post brexit? havent seen anything about that
Agree though i voted remain, but now think should just get on with it as its gone to democratic vote
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:27 pm
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:47 pm
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:50 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Not enough letters from Conservative MPs to trigger a vote of no confidence in the PM.... yet.
But you do get the feeling it’s coming, and she has said she would fight any leadership election.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:54 pm
langstoneBlue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
It's more the meltdown that may come after leaving if a hard or no deal exit occurs, this is when a large number of big business withdraws from the uk as the legistration that under pins them is governed by the EU.
So you've bought into project fear then.
Not so much bought into it, but through work like many, are identifying Risk based on various scenarios post exit scenarios.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:08 pm
pembroke allan wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:langstoneBlue wrote:wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
It's more the meltdown that may come after leaving if a hard or no deal exit occurs, this is when a large number of big business withdraws from the uk as the legistration that under pins them is governed by the EU.
So you've bought into project fear then.
Not so much bought into it, but through work like many, are identifying Risk based on various scenarios post exit scenarios.
What about the effect if us leaving EU? It is not a one way street and EU countries have as much to lose as we have in fact several countries will go bust if some of the scenarios happen if we leave!
Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:09 pm
CityBlue93 wrote:wez1927 wrote:The remainers lied through project fear none of which has come true also remember they said the bus slogan was a lie well it turned out it wasnt a lie and actually going to spend more than 350m a week on the nhs ,most peope want to get ob with it now ecen alot of the remain side
none of which has come true? we haven't even left yet
Can you post a link saying we're going to be spending an extra 350m a week on the nhs post brexit? havent seen anything about that
Agree though i voted remain, but now think should just get on with it as its gone to democratic vote
Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:26 pm
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:
Except we didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. Nowhere on the ballot paper was this started and even your Leave top dogs maintained we would stay in the single market.
Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:35 pm
City Slicker wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:City Slicker wrote:
That was the second vote and wasn't clear enough. The third one would be better proposed with people more aware of the ramifications. Youre bviously a mad keen Leaver, why are you shit scared? Are you afraid public opinion has changed?
There wasn't a second vote in 1975 when the UK voted to join the Common Market. There were no referendums on the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties which altered the structure of the Common Market and created the EU with it's Customs Union, Single Market and Freedoms of movement.
So why should there be a 'second referendum' just so project fear can have another crack at frightening people into changing their minds? BTW I don't believe leavers have changed their minds and quite rightly want the Government to honour the result of the 2016 referendum before there is even any talk of a second referendum.
Well of course you can believe what you want. The 1975 plebiscite was the first referendum, 2016 was the second so s precedent has already been set. What's the problem with having a third? If you're so convinced your lot will win again you should welcome it.