englishbluebird wrote:But they still finished 4th in the biggest tournament on the planet
englishbluebird wrote:But they still finished 4th in the biggest tournament on the planet
Steve Zodiak wrote:englishbluebird wrote:But they still finished 4th in the biggest tournament on the planet
Ten years back we finished second in our biggest domestic cup competition. Did'nt mean we were any good though. England have been ridiculously hyped up by the media in every tournament since 1966. Guarantee it will all start again for the next Euro competition, and it already looks as if they are well on the way to winning the 2022 World Cup. They managed to win a few games against the likes of Panama and Tunisia. This was a great opportunity for them given the draw, and the big boys getting knocked out unexpectedly early, and yet once again they have failed. Personally, I don't ever see football coming home again.
englishbluebird wrote:But they still finished 4th in the biggest tournament on the planet
englishbluebird wrote:I am not saying England are an elite side . Far from it but I don't see how they've become a laughing stock . The media will also be dragging the same players down next week. They had a favourable draw but still beat a good team in Colombia and Sweden who had won a group that featured the world champions Germany . Also the coming home phrase is from the 1996 Euros when England hosted it and the song stuck. Why can't a team and fans be optimistic if they are on a good run
epping blue wrote:I hoped they'd get to the final but the hype over the team is way over the top. History will show they got to the semi but it was a fluke of the schedule. They could of got to the final without actually beating anyone in the top 15 FIFA rankings, top 20 if you take out the penalty win over Colombia. Pretty extraordinary but you take what you can just like we did 2 years ago.
British footballs biggest problem is that its not producing world class footballers. I'd argue that the only world class footballer produce in Britain in the last 10 years id Bale. The clubs may pay ridiculous fees to pass English players around the premiership but there's virtually no interest from Real, Barca or PSG who will pay what ever it takes to get what they want.
Southgate is currently lord of the manor in the eyes of the press but with 2 games coming up against Croatia and 2 games against Spain they could be calling for his head within 3 or 4 months. I don't have a problem with Southgate he's working with the best available. Its the media that build them to these levels and its the media that knocks them down. Its a very tough little sector for England. Could very easily be relegated and even worse got a fair chance they end in pot 2 for the main euros draw. Unlikely to matter for euro qualification but we're 16 months away for the next world cup qualifying draw.Harder fixtures / poorer results and they'll lose top seeding in that draw and the play offs for the world cup is no place for the faint hearted.
englishbluebird wrote:Yeah the media are notorious . Always have been but to be fair the team and Gareth Southgate conducted themselves well. No sane English fan expected them to get anywhere near the semi finals.
Jock wrote:Is anyone surprised by the media, it’s what they’ve always done.
Tony Blue Williams wrote:epping blue wrote:I hoped they'd get to the final but the hype over the team is way over the top. History will show they got to the semi but it was a fluke of the schedule. They could of got to the final without actually beating anyone in the top 15 FIFA rankings, top 20 if you take out the penalty win over Colombia. Pretty extraordinary but you take what you can just like we did 2 years ago.
British footballs biggest problem is that its not producing world class footballers. I'd argue that the only world class footballer produce in Britain in the last 10 years id Bale. The clubs may pay ridiculous fees to pass English players around the premiership but there's virtually no interest from Real, Barca or PSG who will pay what ever it takes to get what they want.
Southgate is currently lord of the manor in the eyes of the press but with 2 games coming up against Croatia and 2 games against Spain they could be calling for his head within 3 or 4 months. I don't have a problem with Southgate he's working with the best available. Its the media that build them to these levels and its the media that knocks them down. Its a very tough little sector for England. Could very easily be relegated and even worse got a fair chance they end in pot 2 for the main euros draw. Unlikely to matter for euro qualification but we're 16 months away for the next world cup qualifying draw.Harder fixtures / poorer results and they'll lose top seeding in that draw and the play offs for the world cup is no place for the faint hearted.
I don't think Sir Waistcoat will be around much longer.
thomasblue wrote:I think they got as far as they possibly could.
That is only because of the draw though not the team itself.
The facts dont lie
They played 4 games against a team in the top 20 in the world, lost 3 of them and won the other on penalties.
Put into perspective, if you work out the rankings comparing the national teams to its club equivalent in England they would have played
Panama #55 - Peterborough Utd
Tunisia #21 - Wolves
Sweden #24 - Aston Villa
Columbia #16 - Brighton
Croatia #20 - West Brom
Belgium #2 - Man Utd
They were 1 penalty kick away from losing to a columbia team missing by far its best player - The same as losing to Wales without Bale
They only managed to beat Tunisia in the 90th minute
9 of the 12 goals they scored were from set plays
Harry Kane scored three penalties, Kieran Trippier netted a free-kick and they scored from four corners and a free-kick routine.
That means they only scored three times from open play in six games, one of which was a lucky deflection off Harry Kane against Panama.
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