Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:49 pm
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:04 pm
dogfound wrote:BlueMoon1974 wrote:dogfound wrote:bluebird58 wrote:The trouble with democracy is that stupid people are allowed to vote.
define stupid people...
People who voted with little knowledge on subject matter and just say fuc.... the EU.
WATCH THIS CLIP FOR A 1.5 MINS
BREXITERS KNOW JOBS WILL GO BUT SAY ITS WORTH THE HIT
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/vi ... stoms-bill
and i suppose your the expert on the subject matter ...?
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:14 pm
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:22 pm
BlueMoon1974 wrote:dogfound wrote:BlueMoon1974 wrote:dogfound wrote:bluebird58 wrote:The trouble with democracy is that stupid people are allowed to vote.
define stupid people...
People who voted with little knowledge on subject matter and just say fuc.... the EU.
WATCH THIS CLIP FOR A 1.5 MINS
BREXITERS KNOW JOBS WILL GO BUT SAY ITS WORTH THE HIT
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/vi ... stoms-bill
and i suppose your the expert on the subject matter ...?
No expert on anything, just someone who reads up a tad instead of saying fu..... the EU . If there was a vote noe remsin would win because people better educated now on the subject.
Anyway, a hard cliff edge brexit is not going to happen. Soft runny brexit it is im afraid.
Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:05 pm
Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:08 pm
pembroke allan wrote:bluebird58 wrote:The trouble with democracy is that stupid people are allowed to vote.
So 17m people are stupid? (Brexit)
Or are you referring to remain voters?
Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:08 pm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:42 am
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:30 am
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:20 am
Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:30 am
Milkybarkid wrote:Currently 26% would change there mind based on the little survey If we had a new vote and the trend was the same it would be a landslide vote to stay Makes you think
Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:56 am
paulh_85 wrote:Milkybarkid wrote:Currently 26% would change there mind based on the little survey If we had a new vote and the trend was the same it would be a landslide vote to stay Makes you think
how did you work that one out
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:01 am
bluebird58 wrote:Whoever you vote for, the government always wins. The trouble is, there is no reason why a group of faceless Civil Service bureaucrats in London are likely to make better decisions for this country than a group of faceless Civil Service bureaucrats from Europe. Whatever your method of electing a government - democracy, dictatorship or communism - people from the same background hold power in all forms . Usually, the people who own the economic resources of a country, or the friends of those people.
Although a little dated now, I recommend “The Power Elite” by C. Wright Mills to explain it all.
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:04 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Milkybarkid wrote:Currently 26% would change there mind based on the little survey If we had a new vote and the trend was the same it would be a landslide vote to stay Makes you think
how did you work that one out
Paul this is typical Remainer nonsense. They pluck figures out of the air and use them as fact to undermine the Referendum result.
The simple answer to Milkybarkid's post is Leave won and now that result should be honoured.
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:18 am
paulh_85 wrote:Milkybarkid wrote:Currently 26% would change there mind based on the little survey If we had a new vote and the trend was the same it would be a landslide vote to stay Makes you think
how did you work that one out
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:21 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Milkybarkid wrote:Currently 26% would change there mind based on the little survey If we had a new vote and the trend was the same it would be a landslide vote to stay Makes you think
how did you work that one out
Paul this is typical Remainer nonsense. They pluck figures out of the air and use them as fact to undermine the Referendum result.
The simple answer to Milkybarkid's post is Leave won and now that result should be honoured.
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:27 am
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:33 am
Milkybarkid wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Milkybarkid wrote:Currently 26% would change there mind based on the little survey If we had a new vote and the trend was the same it would be a landslide vote to stay Makes you think
how did you work that one out
Paul this is typical Remainer nonsense. They pluck figures out of the air and use them as fact to undermine the Referendum result.
The simple answer to Milkybarkid's post is Leave won and now that result should be honoured.
Where did I say I would want a revote just stating the facts from out small survey that 26% of the people would change and that would leave a landslide if the vote did happen again to stay if out small sample was replicated
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:38 am
Milkybarkid wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Milkybarkid wrote:Currently 26% would change there mind based on the little survey If we had a new vote and the trend was the same it would be a landslide vote to stay Makes you think
how did you work that one out
26% of the people who have voted on the site have said they would change to remain All I said if this was replicated in the nation the country would have a landslide remain now
Just found it interesting so many said they would remain I am not saying we should have a new vote thou At least people in the uk can change who they vote for every five years at least.People do change their mind but we will not see another vote on this subject in my lifetime I am sure.
I voted out by the way and I am not sure I would change it , but I close to sitting on the fence on the matter if truth be told
Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:08 pm
paulh_85 wrote:Milkybarkid wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Milkybarkid wrote:Currently 26% would change there mind based on the little survey If we had a new vote and the trend was the same it would be a landslide vote to stay Makes you think
how did you work that one out
26% of the people who have voted on the site have said they would change to remain All I said if this was replicated in the nation the country would have a landslide remain now
Just found it interesting so many said they would remain I am not saying we should have a new vote thou At least people in the uk can change who they vote for every five years at least.People do change their mind but we will not see another vote on this subject in my lifetime I am sure.
I voted out by the way and I am not sure I would change it , but I close to sitting on the fence on the matter if truth be told
how do you know all 26% of people voted leave in the first place?
how do you know all 100% of people actually read the question properly like you clearly didnt.
Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:46 am
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:06 am
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:05 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:McNaughtyButNice wrote:I voted remain first time and would do so again. However I don't think there should be another vote, but I do think the government should fight for the best possible deal for the country and to my mind that has to include an Eu trade deal and customs union. No deal leaves us in an unknown situation and uncertainty is definitely not a good thing for the economy and the country as a whole.
I would argue that it is not a completely unknown situation as many of us were around long before we joined the Common Market. I accept that the World is different to back in those days, and can see your point. When we had the last vote to remain in the European Community, I voted yes. It was sold to us as a good trading arrangement, employment stability, aiding the poorer countries,promoting world peace and various other benefits. Nobody mentioned handing over law making powers, uncontrolled immigration etc. Had they done so, I am sure a lot of people including myself would have voted the other way. You could say that one of the reasons we are in the EU in the first place is because it was sold to us on the back of things that were not strictly true.
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:29 pm
Milkybarkid wrote:You do have a valid point there I did assume that it was remainers we’re the ones that changed there mind I would hazard a guess that the majority were the ones who would change but as I say I assume so
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:38 pm
McNaughtyButNice wrote:
Steve
I think what went on before we became members of the Eu is irrelevant as it is a completely different world both economically, socially, politically and technologically. (Yes I am old enough to remember it too!)
I also agree that when we voted "in" this wsa to the "common market" and not all of the E legislation we have now.
What I would like to see is an agreement where we are still in a "common market" with a level playing field, but not under the legal jurisdictionof the Eu. Happy to tae the result of the referendum vote and do not believe we need another vote, but there has to be a trade deal in place otherwiase everyone will suffer both in the UK and on the remaining Eu member states. I believe that "No deal" is a bad deal for everyone.
Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:03 pm
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:10 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:McNaughtyButNice wrote:
Steve
I think what went on before we became members of the Eu is irrelevant as it is a completely different world both economically, socially, politically and technologically. (Yes I am old enough to remember it too!)
I also agree that when we voted "in" this wsa to the "common market" and not all of the E legislation we have now.
What I would like to see is an agreement where we are still in a "common market" with a level playing field, but not under the legal jurisdictionof the Eu. Happy to tae the result of the referendum vote and do not believe we need another vote, but there has to be a trade deal in place otherwiase everyone will suffer both in the UK and on the remaining Eu member states. I believe that "No deal" is a bad deal for everyone.
1975 is not irrelevant at all. As stated we joined a trading block back then not a political union. We were denied referendums over both the Maastricht Treaty and Lisbon Treaty which changed the face of our membership of the EU forever and the result was nothing like what we signed up to in 1975.
We won't get a decent trade deal because the EU is hell bent on punishing us to stop other nations from leaving the EU. The only way to get anything out of the EU is to call their bluff and go for a no deal.