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Will Cardiff be the new Wimbledon?

Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:26 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45077567

Good read. Statistics about the Premier League.

Here's the bit about us...

There's no right or wrong way to play football, just different ways.

And rarely do you find approaches more different than Cardiff City (166 successful passes per game in the Championship in 2017-18) and, say, Manchester City (666 successful passes per game in the Premier League in 2017-18).

A difference of five hundred feels like a lot and, guess what, it really is.

If the 2017-18 Championship season had been decided on pass completion, Fulham and Wolves would still have gone up but Cardiff would have been rock bottom and heading to League One with a figure of 59%.

The last Premier League team to post a lower rate was Watford in 2006-07 (57%) - and they finished 10 points adrift of safety.

Wading further back into Opta's early modern databases, the Wimbledon side of 1999-2000, like Cardiff last season, completed 59% of their passes, and ended the season with relegation.

That said, as the table below indicates, none of the least accurate passing teams in each Premier League season in the 2010s have actually gone down, although none of those sides (often managed by Tony Pulis) approached the truly industrial nature of Neil Warnock's Cardiff team.

Re: Will Cardiff be the new Wimbledon?

Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:46 am

jimmy_rat wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45077567

Good read. Statistics about the Premier League.

Here's the bit about us...

There's no right or wrong way to play football, just different ways.

And rarely do you find approaches more different than Cardiff City (166 successful passes per game in the Championship in 2017-18) and, say, Manchester City (666 successful passes per game in the Premier League in 2017-18).

A difference of five hundred feels like a lot and, guess what, it really is.

If the 2017-18 Championship season had been decided on pass completion, Fulham and Wolves would still have gone up but Cardiff would have been rock bottom and heading to League One with a figure of 59%.

The last Premier League team to post a lower rate was Watford in 2006-07 (57%) - and they finished 10 points adrift of safety.

Wading further back into Opta's early modern databases, the Wimbledon side of 1999-2000, like Cardiff last season, completed 59% of their passes, and ended the season with relegation.

That said, as the table below indicates, none of the least accurate passing teams in each Premier League season in the 2010s have actually gone down, although none of those sides (often managed by Tony Pulis) approached the truly industrial nature of Neil Warnock's Cardiff team.


Season Team Passing Accuracy Relegated
2009-10 Stoke City 62.98 No
2010-11 Stoke City 64.03 No
2011-12 Stoke City 69.49 No
2012-13 Stoke City 70.23 No
2013-14 Crystal Palace 70.88 No
2014-15 Crystal Palace 69.43 No
2015-16 West Bromwich Albion 70.05 No
2016-17 Burnley 67.86 No
2017-18 Burnley 70.53 No

Re: Will Cardiff be the new Wimbledon?

Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:09 am

GENERAL CHAT wrote:
jimmy_rat wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45077567

Good read. Statistics about the Premier League.

Here's the bit about us...

There's no right or wrong way to play football, just different ways.

And rarely do you find approaches more different than Cardiff City (166 successful passes per game in the Championship in 2017-18) and, say, Manchester City (666 successful passes per game in the Premier League in 2017-18).

A difference of five hundred feels like a lot and, guess what, it really is.

If the 2017-18 Championship season had been decided on pass completion, Fulham and Wolves would still have gone up but Cardiff would have been rock bottom and heading to League One with a figure of 59%.

The last Premier League team to post a lower rate was Watford in 2006-07 (57%) - and they finished 10 points adrift of safety.

Wading further back into Opta's early modern databases, the Wimbledon side of 1999-2000, like Cardiff last season, completed 59% of their passes, and ended the season with relegation.

That said, as the table below indicates, none of the least accurate passing teams in each Premier League season in the 2010s have actually gone down, although none of those sides (often managed by Tony Pulis) approached the truly industrial nature of Neil Warnock's Cardiff team.


Season Team Passing Accuracy Relegated
2009-10 Stoke City 62.98 No
2010-11 Stoke City 64.03 No
2011-12 Stoke City 69.49 No
2012-13 Stoke City 70.23 No
2013-14 Crystal Palace 70.88 No
2014-15 Crystal Palace 69.43 No
2015-16 West Bromwich Albion 70.05 No
2016-17 Burnley 67.86 No
2017-18 Burnley 70.53 No


Yeah. That's the best stat to take from this. No team with such low passing accuracy has been relegated in last 10 years.

Even pointing out that we are more industrious than most of them when we do have the ball.

We're gonna catch a few cold.

Re: Will Cardiff be the new Wimbledon?

Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:56 am

Passes and possession don’t win you football matches.

Re: Will Cardiff be the new Wimbledon?

Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:33 am

Do you remember the crazy gang? A successful run in the top flight led by Vinny Jones,Wimbledon ruffled a lot of feathers,we have those same attributes ,plus a lot more pace wise, in the final third.

Re: Will Cardiff be the new Wimbledon?

Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:03 am

Everyone on youtube has us finishing bottom lol.

Re: Will Cardiff be the new Wimbledon?

Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:12 am

Dahboy wrote:Everyone on youtube has us finishing bottom lol.


It's an easy prediction. Not spent an awful lot. They probably haven't watched us. We're not a 'name.' I bet they're all experts, closest they have come to the Premier League is playing on FIFA.

To be fair I was listening to Gordon Strachan on the radio. He said good things about us and our style of play. It's not how you play, it's the results and playing to your strengths. Which we do. He didn't go as far as saying we'd be comfortable, but that we'd surprise a few. What impressed me most was that the way he spoke about us it was obvious that he HAD ACTUALLY WATCHED US PLAY. Unlike a lot of these trolls!

Re: Will Cardiff be the new Wimbledon?

Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:44 am

After the World Cup, I thought that some of the media outlets would have stopped going on about passing stats by now. Leicester showed, we showed and the World Cup showed that there are more ways than one to win football matches.

Reading Alex Ferguson’s autobiography at the moment and he makes a point on how he had to adapt his side to move from over possession and passing to a team that moved the ball with purpose and got it forward quickly.

Waiting for the inevitable moaning by the MOTD pundits about our style, despite them praising England to ridiculous levels over the summer.

Re: Will Cardiff be the new Wimbledon?

Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:22 pm

Dahboy wrote:Everyone on youtube has us finishing bottom lol.



you must feel right at home on you tube then