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RIDICULOUS: CHRIS SUTTON COMMENTS ANALYSED

Postby Sven » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:26 am

The Chris Sutton Cardiff City outburst analysed — why we say it's ridiculous to compare Bluebirds to THAT Derby County team
By Dominic Booth

Tuesday 14th August 2018


Looking at the respective merits of the Bluebirds and the awful Derby team makes the BBC pundit's comments look off the mark


So it has taken just a single game for the critics to come in a flurry in Cardiff City's direction.

Led by the perennially outspoken Chris Sutton, pundits have taken a swipe at the Bluebirds following their 2-0 defeat to Bournemouth on the Premier League's opening day.

The former Chelsea and Blackburn Rovers striker suggested Neil Warnock's side would get relegated with a worse points total than the mere 11 accrued by Derby County in 2007/08, a record low.

That was after journalists, ex-players and commentators in their droves penned in Cardiff as certain 20th place finishers for 2018/19.

But while Cardiff's performance at Bournemouth was poor and improvements will need to be made, a detailed look at that infamous Derby team compared with Warnock's current crop makes Sutton's outburst look slightly ridiculous...


How they got up

While it would be unfair to call Derby's promotion to the Premier League in 2007 a fluke — all teams get there on merit — they probably went up a year too soon under Billy Davies.

The Rams were heavily reliant upon the goals of target man Steve Howard and scraped through to the play-off final thanks to a penalty shoot-out win over Southampton, before nicking a 1-0 final win over West Brom.

This current Cardiff vintage, however, stormed to automatic promotion ahead of teams the calibre of Fulham, Aston Villa and Middlesbrough, winning 90 points in the process. They also did it with a swagger and a power that was unrivalled.


The managers

While doubts remain over Warnock's ability to last the distance in the Premier League, there is no contest when comparing him to 2007/08 Derby boss Billy Davies.

The Scot's play-off win with the Rams is his only promotion to date, whereas Warnock has won a record eight — no manager has more.

The Yorkshireman has also proven more adept in the transfer market and boasts a longevity few managers have ever been able to match. His charisma and man management skills give Cardiff a much better chance of surviving in the Premier League than Derby had.

Yes, the critics can rightly point to Warnock's top flight record, but he certainly earned more points with Sheffield United and Queens Park Rangers than Davies — or his mid-season replacement Paul Jewell — managed at Pride Park.

Cardiff fans can be confident that even if their side is relegated, they will at least go down fighting with Warnock at the helm.


The team, transfers (and dressing room spirit)

Another gaping hole in Sutton's argument is the simple comparison between the Derby side that took to the field in their 2007/08 Premier League opener and Cardiff's current best XI.

Derby actually secured a respectable 2-2 draw with Portsmouth in their opening game, but with Howard, Matt Oakley, Craig Fagan and Gary Teale as their 'stars' (yes, you might well ask 'who?'), they never looked like challenging for survival.

In terms of transfer business, the Rams went haphazard in January, bringing in the likes of Danny Mills, Laurent Robert, Roy Carroll and Robbie Savage, but the damage had already been done. They did pay £3.5million for Robert Earnshaw in the summer of 2007, but the Bluebirds icon endured a very poor season.

Another former Cardiff striker, Kenny Miller, ended up as the Rams' top scorer with just four league goals. You can imagine Sean Morrison getting more than that this term, not to mention Kenneth Zohore, Bobby Reid, Junior Hoilett and the other attacking talents in Cardiff's ranks.

This summer the Bluebirds got their deals done early and signed young and hungry players ready to make the step up to the Premier League rather than has-beens.


Factoring in the incredible team spirit that Warnock has built, together with the discipline, fitness and sheer strength of this Cardiff unit and, again, there's no comparison.

Derby only got one win in 2007/08. This Cardiff team will harness a great atmosphere at home and look to surprise a few people, that much appears certain.


The Premier League then and now

There are also arguments to be made that the Premier League had more strength in depth 11 years ago than it does now. You had Manchester City in ninth, Tottenham Hotspur down in 11th and Newcastle United 12th that season.

The top four — Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool — were a tour de force as they are now.

But the bottom half teams were more resilient and competitive than they have been in the Premier League recently: 49 points was enough for Everton to secure eighth last season, but in 2007/08 Portsmouth had to get 57 to finish in that position. 36 points relegated Reading that campaign, but the same total was enough for Southampton to stay up last term.

It all means Cardiff have a vastly greater chance of scoring more points — and surviving — than that horrendous Derby side ever did.

Chris Sutton, please see above.
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Postby BlueMoon1974 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:30 am

We'll get 20 points max.
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Postby Bakedalasker » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:39 am

Personally I think we will surpass that record by Christman if not sooner. Even so though, until we do doubts will creep in.
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Re: RIDICULOUS: CHRIS SUTTON COMMENTS ANALYSED

Postby paulh_85 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:28 pm

Imagine writing a whole article on someone’s comment

Gonna have this all season now whenever someone mentions us on MOTD
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Re: RIDICULOUS: CHRIS SUTTON COMMENTS ANALYSED

Postby dogfound » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:33 pm

ANALYSED.... :lol: :lol:

he said he only chucked that bit in as a wind up for Jason .

whats dom going to analyse next ..a bob bank mason wind up..?
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Postby JJ1927 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:41 pm

We would have to lose 34, draw one and win three to break that record. I am a bit of a pessimist about this season but 10 points! Come on Sutton you talk some nonsense at times, but this takes the biscuit.
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Re: RIDICULOUS: CHRIS SUTTON COMMENTS ANALYSED

Postby Bluebina » Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:24 pm

dogfound wrote:ANALYSED.... :lol: :lol:

he said he only chucked that bit in as a wind up for Jason .

whats dom going to analyse next ..a bob bank mason wind up..?


That's bollocks though, he said it and backtracked it was a wind up after, he realised after he knew feck all about us and that he was probably wrong and that we would get more points than Derby and could still stay up as a surprise package because he's as thick as pigshit!
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Re: RIDICULOUS: CHRIS SUTTON COMMENTS ANALYSED

Postby dogfound » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:11 pm

Bluebina wrote:
dogfound wrote:ANALYSED.... :lol: :lol:

he said he only chucked that bit in as a wind up for Jason .

whats dom going to analyse next ..a bob bank mason wind up..?


That's bollocks though, he said it and backtracked it was a wind up after, he realised after he knew feck all about us and that he was probably wrong and that we would get more points than Derby and could still stay up as a surprise package because he's as thick as pigshit!



you dont think Chris Sutton says things as wind ups and to get reactions...?
my take on it is thats the whole point of the programme.
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Re: RIDICULOUS: CHRIS SUTTON COMMENTS ANALYSED

Postby T1JMO » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:48 pm

BlueMoon1974 wrote:We'll get 20 points max.


Yes - by January!
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Re: RIDICULOUS: CHRIS SUTTON COMMENTS ANALYSED

Postby 1980s Bluebird » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:53 pm

Could do with him up front though :D
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