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Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:16 pm
rossblue wrote:So now you can't criticise someone of a different race without being labelled a racist???
On that note I believe sterling to be a fantastic player, probably the best in the world. And doesn't run like a school girl .
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:28 pm
rossblue wrote:So now you can't criticise someone of a different race without being labelled a racist???
On that note I believe sterling to be a fantastic player, probably the best in the world. And doesn't run like a school girl .
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:40 pm
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:rossblue wrote:So now you can't criticise someone of a different race without being labelled a racist???
On that note I believe sterling to be a fantastic player, probably the best in the world. And doesn't run like a school girl .
I think he runs like a little gay boy myself.
Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:27 pm
Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:14 pm
ImNafe wrote:rossblue wrote:So now you can't criticise someone of a different race without being labelled a racist???
On that note I believe sterling to be a fantastic player, probably the best in the world. And doesn't run like a school girl .
You can criticise the man all you like. But when you criticise someone for buying their mum a house, shopping at Primark and getting a tattoo, seems a bit of a personal attack to me.
Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:58 pm
bluebirdoct1962 wrote::banghead:OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:rossblue wrote:So now you can't criticise someone of a different race without being labelled a racist???
On that note I believe sterling to be a fantastic player, probably the best in the world. And doesn't run like a school girl .
I think he runs like a little gay boy myself.
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:06 pm
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote::banghead:OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:rossblue wrote:So now you can't criticise someone of a different race without being labelled a racist???
On that note I believe sterling to be a fantastic player, probably the best in the world. And doesn't run like a school girl .
I think he runs like a little gay boy myself.
What’s the matter mate, not PC enough for you?
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:41 pm
ImNafe wrote:See also the "Ban the Burka" thread and "Free Tommy Robinson" threads
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:42 pm
englishbluebird wrote:ImNafe wrote:See also the "Ban the Burka" thread and "Free Tommy Robinson" threads
Some people are in favour of Banning the Burka and support some of Tommy Robinsons views. It doesn't make you right wing or any other label, just because they disagree with you.
Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:10 pm
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote::banghead:OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:rossblue wrote:So now you can't criticise someone of a different race without being labelled a racist???
On that note I believe sterling to be a fantastic player, probably the best in the world. And doesn't run like a school girl .
I think he runs like a little gay boy myself.
What’s the matter mate, not PC enough for you?
If I was gay, which I’m not, I’d find it insulting, mate!
Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:06 am
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote::banghead:OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:rossblue wrote:So now you can't criticise someone of a different race without being labelled a racist???
On that note I believe sterling to be a fantastic player, probably the best in the world. And doesn't run like a school girl .
I think he runs like a little gay boy myself.
What’s the matter mate, not PC enough for you?
If I was gay, which I’m not, I’d find it insulting, mate!
Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:10 am
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote::banghead:OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:rossblue wrote:So now you can't criticise someone of a different race without being labelled a racist???
On that note I believe sterling to be a fantastic player, probably the best in the world. And doesn't run like a school girl .
I think he runs like a little gay boy myself.
What’s the matter mate, not PC enough for you?
If I was gay, which I’m not, I’d find it insulting, mate!
Well I’ve known gays who mince about like women and laugh about it.
If Ross said he runs like a girl then I suppose girls find it insulting.
PC has become pathetic in this country and people like you seem to be driving it on.
Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:13 am
Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:29 am
rossblue wrote:We are dangerously close to not being allowed to say anything about another person without being labelled as prejudice.
Soon describing someone as being short will be swapped for "vertically challenged" or a bald man "folicularly challenged" or a skinny person " less built" it all means the same. It's just because we have to consider people's "feelings".
Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:46 am
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:rossblue wrote:We are dangerously close to not being allowed to say anything about another person without being labelled as prejudice.
Soon describing someone as being short will be swapped for "vertically challenged" or a bald man "folicularly challenged" or a skinny person " less built" it all means the same. It's just because we have to consider people's "feelings".
Exactly mate and that’s how ridiculous things are becoming. There are hundreds of examples of words and phrases being banned so not to cause offence like - ba ba black sheep and even councils trying to ban the phrase Happy Christmas in favour of Seasons Greetings so not to insult muslims.
Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:23 am
Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:37 am
Once a blue always a blue44 wrote:Look, I guess it’s fine to criticise people as long as it’s not done in a way that’s personal. For example a football coach shouting at a player for not carrying out the things that were asked of him but if that manager then started bringing personal things into the argument that’s when it gets more serious and the bottom line hurts peoples feelings. Again whether it’s to do with Race , sexuality or whatever it maybe..if someone talks about someone in a derogatory way and specifically uses their race (doesn’t have to be that word but something in relation to it) then people are going to get feel upset or hurt by it. Perhaps not everyone but who are we to say that person won’t feel upset by it, how do we know what that person has been through in the past as well in relation to abuse. It could be a painful topic to bring up. Sometimes people might make a genuine mistake for example with the gender variations or no gender etc (whatever terms people use) although I’m sure these gender variations have been around since dot, it’s just that the terms people are using and awareness now seem relatively new. For many people they haven’t heard of these terms and it may seem strange to some people who have never come across something. So with that in mind it my be forgivable if someone questions someone’s gender because they genuinely don’t know but just always bear in mind that people can get offended by it because it’s personal and if it’s done in a derogatory way, you could be in trouble. I always think there’s such thing as an easy accessible internet these days and if you hear of something different a but you have no idea hat it is and even think it seems weird, go and read up on it. I’m not saying go and read for hours on different races of the world or different sexual orientations but a quick look might even make you more comfortable with it as many of these things with predujice and discrimination in mind have really been born out of fear. Yeah straight and gay people or white people or someone from another part of the world may do things that are wrong in their lives, but that’s nothing to do with their race or sexuality, it’s to do with the person!
So I guess the bottom line is just to be considerate towards people and perhaps think before saying something, is it likely to hurt this person? There are other ways of criticising someone that is not a personal attack. You might wonder why this is so close to my heart....well I know a few people and friends who have suffered at the hands of racial and homophobic abuse and believe me these people have suffered enough without anyone making what may seem a funny joke towards them. I’m not trying to preach at anyone as I’m sure most people on here are very considerate about this sort of thing but you always get 1 person every now and then.
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:05 am
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:15 am
CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:I don't understand it... If I'm arguing with a ginger lad then i'll call him a ginger fucker... if its someone over weight then ill call him a fat c**t.... you know where i'm going with this...
The world has gone mad and soft.
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:26 am
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:I don't understand it... If I'm arguing with a ginger lad then i'll call him a ginger fucker... if its someone over weight then ill call him a fat c**t.... you know where i'm going with this...
The world has gone mad and soft.
Out of interest , what would you say to a disabled person that you were ‘arguing with’?
Btw, I do agree that this country has gone soft on many things.
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:29 am
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Once a blue always a blue44 wrote:Look, I guess it’s fine to criticise people as long as it’s not done in a way that’s personal. For example a football coach shouting at a player for not carrying out the things that were asked of him but if that manager then started bringing personal things into the argument that’s when it gets more serious and the bottom line hurts peoples feelings. Again whether it’s to do with Race , sexuality or whatever it maybe..if someone talks about someone in a derogatory way and specifically uses their race (doesn’t have to be that word but something in relation to it) then people are going to get feel upset or hurt by it. Perhaps not everyone but who are we to say that person won’t feel upset by it, how do we know what that person has been through in the past as well in relation to abuse. It could be a painful topic to bring up. Sometimes people might make a genuine mistake for example with the gender variations or no gender etc (whatever terms people use) although I’m sure these gender variations have been around since dot, it’s just that the terms people are using and awareness now seem relatively new. For many people they haven’t heard of these terms and it may seem strange to some people who have never come across something. So with that in mind it my be forgivable if someone questions someone’s gender because they genuinely don’t know but just always bear in mind that people can get offended by it because it’s personal and if it’s done in a derogatory way, you could be in trouble. I always think there’s such thing as an easy accessible internet these days and if you hear of something different a but you have no idea hat it is and even think it seems weird, go and read up on it. I’m not saying go and read for hours on different races of the world or different sexual orientations but a quick look might even make you more comfortable with it as many of these things with predujice and discrimination in mind have really been born out of fear. Yeah straight and gay people or white people or someone from another part of the world may do things that are wrong in their lives, but that’s nothing to do with their race or sexuality, it’s to do with the person!
So I guess the bottom line is just to be considerate towards people and perhaps think before saying something, is it likely to hurt this person? There are other ways of criticising someone that is not a personal attack. You might wonder why this is so close to my heart....well I know a few people and friends who have suffered at the hands of racial and homophobic abuse and believe me these people have suffered enough without anyone making what may seem a funny joke towards them. I’m not trying to preach at anyone as I’m sure most people on here are very considerate about this sort of thing but you always get 1 person every now and then.
Well said mate.
I have a mate who’s gay and as a strapping six footer who used to play top class rugby, he’s certainly not what you’d call a stereotypical gay person. Like you, i was horrified to hear some of his stories about abuse etc and as you say, it’s nothing to do with being PC, it’s about common decency.
He’s a top guy and is the first to say “chill out” if people become over protective etc. He thought the story about the song “we can see you holding hands “ was hilarious
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:31 am
CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:I don't understand it... If I'm arguing with a ginger lad then i'll call him a ginger fucker... if its someone over weight then ill call him a fat c**t.... you know where i'm going with this...
The world has gone mad and soft.
Out of interest , what would you say to a disabled person that you were ‘arguing with’?
Btw, I do agree that this country has gone soft on many things.
Fighting talk not just a disagreement... but yes I would pick on that particular thing and i'd expect the same back.
My point is - things get said in the heat of the moment, it doesn't mean that person is a racist.