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“ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa “

Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:23 pm

BBC


Newcastle United's on-loan midfielder Kenedy will not serve a ban for kicking out at Cardiff's Victor Camarasa in their Premier League draw on Saturday.

The Brazilian, 22, looked to kick Camarasa off the ball and it appeared to be missed by referee Craig Pawson.

After the game, Cardiff boss Neil Warnock said the challenge should have resulted in a "straight red card".

But the Football Association said a free-kick was awarded, so it considers the matter dealt with.

Its independent panel can only issue retrospective bans for incidents that were missed at the time.

Kenedy, who is on a season-long loan at St James' Park from Chelsea, had a day to forget in the 0-0 draw at Cardiff City Stadium.

He failed to complete a pass in the first half of the game - the first player to achieve that statistic for eight years - then missed a penalty in stoppage time.

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:27 pm

I thought the free-kick waa given for tackles after on Arter. Not the like the FA to bottle it.....

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:28 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:BBC


Newcastle United's on-loan midfielder Kenedy will not serve a ban for kicking out at Cardiff's Victor Camarasa in their Premier League draw on Saturday.

The Brazilian, 22, looked to kick Camarasa off the ball and it appeared to be missed by referee Craig Pawson.

After the game, Cardiff boss Neil Warnock said the challenge should have resulted in a "straight red card".

But the Football Association said a free-kick was awarded, so it considers the matter dealt with.

Its independent panel can only issue retrospective bans for incidents that were missed at the time.

Kenedy, who is on a season-long loan at St James' Park from Chelsea, had a day to forget in the 0-0 draw at Cardiff City Stadium.

He failed to complete a pass in the first half of the game - the first player to achieve that statistic for eight years - then missed a penalty in stoppage time.



i thought this would be the outcome because he gave a free kick with absolutely no idea what he was giving a free kick for.
they need to get the ref in and ask him what the F he was doing..

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:34 pm

What a joke of a decision
Surely the ref gave the foul for the first offence not the kick.

The report must state that he has seen a dangerous violent kick but decided only a free kick at which point it means the referee is not capable of doing his job and keeping players safe.
Or
It says he gave a free kick for a different foul and missed the kick which means retrospective action can be taken.

Awful bottling decision by the FA
If it was against a big club/player im sure the decision would be different

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:36 pm

Good job he booked Arter and gave a free kick against him, otherwise the FA would have banned him for weeks, cos it was us.

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:47 pm

So mad about this!

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:47 pm

Pathetic decision.

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:07 pm

If that's the case then they are saying the ref seen it, so should drop him for the next week because of such a clanger?

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:11 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:Pathetic decision.



its actually the correct decision by the FA because by giving a free kick its deemed to be dealt with.
as with the Arter foul..
the Ref though, having given just a free kick when such a blatant kick out at an oponent has taken place should be facing some sort of hearing/punishment.

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:28 pm

dogfound wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Pathetic decision.



its actually the correct decision by the FA because by giving a free kick its deemed to be dealt with.
as with the Arter foul..
the Ref though, having given just a free kick when such a blatant kick out at an oponent has taken place should be facing some sort of hearing/punishment.


To the letter of the law it's the right decision. Unfortunately that clearly shows the law is wrong.

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:34 pm

dogfound wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:BBC


Newcastle United's on-loan midfielder Kenedy will not serve a ban for kicking out at Cardiff's Victor Camarasa in their Premier League draw on Saturday.

The Brazilian, 22, looked to kick Camarasa off the ball and it appeared to be missed by referee Craig Pawson.

After the game, Cardiff boss Neil Warnock said the challenge should have resulted in a "straight red card".

But the Football Association said a free-kick was awarded, so it considers the matter dealt with.

Its independent panel can only issue retrospective bans for incidents that were missed at the time.

Kenedy, who is on a season-long loan at St James' Park from Chelsea, had a day to forget in the 0-0 draw at Cardiff City Stadium.

He failed to complete a pass in the first half of the game - the first player to achieve that statistic for eight years - then missed a penalty in stoppage time.



i thought this would be the outcome because he gave a free kick with absolutely no idea what he was giving a free kick for.
they need to get the ref in and ask him what the F he was doing..


Agree with that. Seems that the Fourth Official saw something and advised the referee to give a free kick.

If the referee didn’t give the free kick, Kenedy would almost certainly have received a ban.

Does ask the question whether the Fourth Official saw the incident clearly. If he did, why didn’t he advise the referee to send Kenedy off? If he didn’t see it clearly, how could he confidently advise the referee to give the free kick?

It’s clear the referee didn’t see the incident.

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:45 pm

Good they are a worse team with him in it :laughing6:

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:06 pm

avondaleblue wrote:Good job he booked Arter and gave a free kick against him, otherwise the FA would have banned him for weeks, cos it was us.

Yes good point. Probably a lengthy ban otherwise. I bet the F.A. were livid that the ref punished Arter. :lol:

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:07 pm

F.a. again all over the place when it comes to cardiff snowgate derby. Now newgate newcastle?.

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:02 pm

Aramore wrote:
dogfound wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Pathetic decision.



its actually the correct decision by the FA because by giving a free kick its deemed to be dealt with.
as with the Arter foul..
the Ref though, having given just a free kick when such a blatant kick out at an oponent has taken place should be facing some sort of hearing/punishment.


To the letter of the law it's the right decision. Unfortunately that clearly shows the law is wrong.


hmmm..i see what your getting at but i doubt when the law was drawn up they imagined a ref giving fouls for things he hasnt even seen wasnt a consideration..
maybe that law will be revisited.

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:07 pm

montyblue wrote:F.a. again all over the place when it comes to cardiff snowgate derby. Now newgate newcastle?.



tbh mate they could well be in the relegation mix and having seen the guys performance last Saturday id much prefer he is playing for them than banned..?
opinion.?

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:53 pm

DOGFOUND
your probably right it just feels the fa are coming to the refs aid to get him out of the myre the tv pundits if they count for anything thought it should have been a red and i thought arter got away with one so hey ho.

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:02 pm

montyblue wrote:DOGFOUND
your probably right it just feels the fa are coming to the refs aid to get him out of the myre the tv pundits if they count for anything thought it should have been a red and i thought arter got away with one so hey ho.



i felt annoyed at the time.. but the problem with retrospective bans is the teams who benefit are not the team that was wronged

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:09 am

dogfound wrote:
Aramore wrote:
dogfound wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Pathetic decision.



its actually the correct decision by the FA because by giving a free kick its deemed to be dealt with.
as with the Arter foul..
the Ref though, having given just a free kick when such a blatant kick out at an oponent has taken place should be facing some sort of hearing/punishment.


To the letter of the law it's the right decision. Unfortunately that clearly shows the law is wrong.


hmmm..i see what your getting at but i doubt when the law was drawn up they imagined a ref giving fouls for things he hasnt even seen wasnt a consideration..
maybe that law will be revisited.

Freekick was given for a foul at least 5 seconds after the incident. They've bottled banning him, nothing more to say on it.

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:06 am

How can the referee have given us a free kick for the incident when he wasn't even looking. Who are the 'jobs worths' on the panel who review these incidents The referee gave the free kick for a different infringement. Yet another botch up by the FA
(aka the Derby snow fiasco). I'm afraid we'll just have accept these sort of decisions because we are not one of the so called "big" clubs

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:17 am

Just wish he’d tried that on Peltier.I remember a few seasons ago a player took a cheap shot and clattered LP from behind.Pelts didn’t make a fuss just got up and carried on.Pelts waited for the right moment and bang.Fair but huge tackle and the player couldn’t carry on.Result

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:08 pm

Simple question is did ref give free kick just for a foul if so it is blatantly obvious he didn't see the deliberate kick? If thats the case review panel could give Kennedy a ban as ref didn't see incident, if ref saw the kick but just gave free kick he is incompetent to say the least! Either way a decision was wrong by one of them? Every pundit/radio station say it was red card and rules need to be changed regarding retrospective action.

Re: “ FA speaks out on Kenedy’s kick out at Victor Camarasa

Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:03 pm

thomasblue wrote:What a joke of a decision
Surely the ref gave the foul for the first offence not the kick.

The report must state that he has seen a dangerous violent kick but decided only a free kick at which point it means the referee is not capable of doing his job and keeping players safe.
Or
It says he gave a free kick for a different foul and missed the kick which means retrospective action can be taken.

Awful bottling decision by the FA
If it was against a big club/player im sure the decision would be different


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