Are Cardiff City a dirty team? The claims from rival fans vs
Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:30 pm
Are Cardiff City a dirty team? The claims from rival fans vs the actual evidence
And let's not forget more players have been sent off playing against Cardiff this season than the Bluebirds have had dismissed.
And let's not forget more players have been sent off playing against Cardiff this season than the Bluebirds have had dismissed.
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Re: Are Cardiff City a dirty team? The claims from rival fan
Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:32 pm
Cardiff City's 'dirty' reputation: The accusations from rival fans, the major incidents and the truth -
By Ian Mitchelmore
Monday 8th October 2018
We should have expected this.
Another red card against one of the Premier League's big boys has brought the spotlight back onto Cardiff City and their perceived 'dirty' style of play.
Tottenham Hotspur supporters — and fans of other clubs — have been quick to label the Bluebirds as 'horrible', with some even calling Joe Ralls a 'thug' for his tackle on Lucas Moura.
And though Neil Warnock raged against the red card decision and Cardiff will appeal Ralls' three-match ban , the Bluebirds are not shaking off a tag that has stuck with them for some time now.
But are they really a dirty team as some people purport? Let's dip into the evidence...
The claims from fans
Perhaps Joe Bennett's horror tackle on Manchester City's Leroy Sane in last season's FA Cup tie, screened on BBC terrestrial television to a huge audience of armchair football fans, has had an adverse effect on Cardiff's reputation.
Since then, every time a player in blue commits a misdemeanour, no matter how minor or major, social media is awash with criticism's of Warnock and his style.
Think Ralls versus Spurs, Harry Arter against Newcastle and Ralls against Man City.
The midfielder was branded a 'scumbag and a coward' by Man City fans after the recent Premier League fixture between the sides in which a rash tackle on Ilkay Gundogan was highlighted.
Joe Ralls' tackle on Ikay Gundogan earlier in the season
Similar abuse followed Ralls' dismissal at Wembley for a tackle that was not malicious but potentially dangerous and certainly very very cynical.
Whatever your thoughts on whether Ralls should have seen yellow or red, the incident hasn't helped the perception that Cardiff are a 'dirty' team — in the eyes of the wider footballing public at least.
What managers say
Mauricio Pochettino agreed with Dean's decision but stopped short of criticising Cardiff's style, saying: "It is not my business to judge another manager or another team."
Whereas Pep Guardiola was far more critical back in January — albeit after a different kind of tackle from Bennett, yet one that didn't prompt a straight red from referee Michael Oliver.
"The only thing (referees) can do is protect the players," said Guardiola.
"They decided to play in that way. There is one man who has to decide what is correct and what is incorrect. If he doesn't, anything can happen."
Warnock has always been dismissive of those who criticise Cardiff's style. He famously said the 'Warnock Way' is just winning and always insists his teams play hard but fair.
"What do you expect in England?" he said in response to Guardiola after the Bennett furore.
"When you are like that, you want everything to be nice and pretty and perfect. But you do not get that in England.
"You get different challenges, don't you?"
The evidence and the truth
A glance at disciplinary records from the past two seasons suggests claims about Cardiff being a dirty team are unfounded.
The Bluebirds only picked up one red card in 46 league games last season, Omar Bogle's early bath against Bristol City, plus one other (Bennett's) in cup competitions.
They received 82 yellow cards but nine teams received that number or more last season. In fact Cardiff were ranked seventh in the Championship's fair play league for 2017/18.
In the Premier League this season, Cardiff have been shown 10 yellow cards — four of them to midfielder Arter — with only three teams, Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea, receiving fewer so far this term.
West Ham have been shown a league-high 22 bookings collectively while Leicester (3), Everton (2) and Manchester United (2) have already received more than one red card.
The Championship fair play table, 2017/18 (Image: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk)
And let's not forget more players have been sent off playing against Cardiff this season than the Bluebirds have had dismissed.
Newcastle's Isaac Hayden and Huddersfield player Jonathan Hogg saw red in clashes with Cardiff — with neither decision particularly contentious.
Premier League yellow cards 18/19
22 - West Ham
18 - Brighton, Southampton, Watford
16 - Burnley, Crystal Palace
13 - Arsenal, Fulham, Huddersfield, Leicester, Man Utd, Wolves
12 - Bournemouth, Spurs
11 - Everton
10 - Cardiff, Newcastle
8 - Liverpool, Man City
5 - Chelsea
Conclusion
There were plenty of people on social media who believed Ralls' sending off against Spurs was harsh — not least Cardiff fans, the majority of whom said it should have been a yellow.
There's no doubt, however, Cardiff are a physical side. And there's also no doubt the aggressive style they adopt does come with the potential for individual flare-ups.
But, isolated incidents aside, the raw evidence suggests Cardiff are no more 'dirty' or indisciplined than any other side in either Championship or Premier League. Those so quick to chastise Warnock's team are contradicted by the stats.
Yet maybe Warnock wont mind that his team has developed this slightly unfair reputation.
He loves nothing more than to play the pantomime villain and prove the critics wrong. That's what Cardiff City must do this season.
Tottenham Hotspur players confront Joe Ralls
By Ian Mitchelmore
Monday 8th October 2018
We should have expected this.
Another red card against one of the Premier League's big boys has brought the spotlight back onto Cardiff City and their perceived 'dirty' style of play.
Tottenham Hotspur supporters — and fans of other clubs — have been quick to label the Bluebirds as 'horrible', with some even calling Joe Ralls a 'thug' for his tackle on Lucas Moura.
And though Neil Warnock raged against the red card decision and Cardiff will appeal Ralls' three-match ban , the Bluebirds are not shaking off a tag that has stuck with them for some time now.
But are they really a dirty team as some people purport? Let's dip into the evidence...
The claims from fans
Perhaps Joe Bennett's horror tackle on Manchester City's Leroy Sane in last season's FA Cup tie, screened on BBC terrestrial television to a huge audience of armchair football fans, has had an adverse effect on Cardiff's reputation.
Since then, every time a player in blue commits a misdemeanour, no matter how minor or major, social media is awash with criticism's of Warnock and his style.
Think Ralls versus Spurs, Harry Arter against Newcastle and Ralls against Man City.
The midfielder was branded a 'scumbag and a coward' by Man City fans after the recent Premier League fixture between the sides in which a rash tackle on Ilkay Gundogan was highlighted.
Joe Ralls' tackle on Ikay Gundogan earlier in the season
Similar abuse followed Ralls' dismissal at Wembley for a tackle that was not malicious but potentially dangerous and certainly very very cynical.
Whatever your thoughts on whether Ralls should have seen yellow or red, the incident hasn't helped the perception that Cardiff are a 'dirty' team — in the eyes of the wider footballing public at least.
What managers say
Mauricio Pochettino agreed with Dean's decision but stopped short of criticising Cardiff's style, saying: "It is not my business to judge another manager or another team."
Whereas Pep Guardiola was far more critical back in January — albeit after a different kind of tackle from Bennett, yet one that didn't prompt a straight red from referee Michael Oliver.
"The only thing (referees) can do is protect the players," said Guardiola.
"They decided to play in that way. There is one man who has to decide what is correct and what is incorrect. If he doesn't, anything can happen."
Warnock has always been dismissive of those who criticise Cardiff's style. He famously said the 'Warnock Way' is just winning and always insists his teams play hard but fair.
"What do you expect in England?" he said in response to Guardiola after the Bennett furore.
"When you are like that, you want everything to be nice and pretty and perfect. But you do not get that in England.
"You get different challenges, don't you?"
The evidence and the truth
A glance at disciplinary records from the past two seasons suggests claims about Cardiff being a dirty team are unfounded.
The Bluebirds only picked up one red card in 46 league games last season, Omar Bogle's early bath against Bristol City, plus one other (Bennett's) in cup competitions.
They received 82 yellow cards but nine teams received that number or more last season. In fact Cardiff were ranked seventh in the Championship's fair play league for 2017/18.
In the Premier League this season, Cardiff have been shown 10 yellow cards — four of them to midfielder Arter — with only three teams, Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea, receiving fewer so far this term.
West Ham have been shown a league-high 22 bookings collectively while Leicester (3), Everton (2) and Manchester United (2) have already received more than one red card.
The Championship fair play table, 2017/18 (Image: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk)
And let's not forget more players have been sent off playing against Cardiff this season than the Bluebirds have had dismissed.
Newcastle's Isaac Hayden and Huddersfield player Jonathan Hogg saw red in clashes with Cardiff — with neither decision particularly contentious.
Premier League yellow cards 18/19
22 - West Ham
18 - Brighton, Southampton, Watford
16 - Burnley, Crystal Palace
13 - Arsenal, Fulham, Huddersfield, Leicester, Man Utd, Wolves
12 - Bournemouth, Spurs
11 - Everton
10 - Cardiff, Newcastle
8 - Liverpool, Man City
5 - Chelsea
Conclusion
There were plenty of people on social media who believed Ralls' sending off against Spurs was harsh — not least Cardiff fans, the majority of whom said it should have been a yellow.
There's no doubt, however, Cardiff are a physical side. And there's also no doubt the aggressive style they adopt does come with the potential for individual flare-ups.
But, isolated incidents aside, the raw evidence suggests Cardiff are no more 'dirty' or indisciplined than any other side in either Championship or Premier League. Those so quick to chastise Warnock's team are contradicted by the stats.
Yet maybe Warnock wont mind that his team has developed this slightly unfair reputation.
He loves nothing more than to play the pantomime villain and prove the critics wrong. That's what Cardiff City must do this season.
Tottenham Hotspur players confront Joe Ralls
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Re: Are Cardiff City a dirty team? The claims from rival fan
Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:40 pm
I have found teams 'foul' us to break up play a lot more than we do to other teams. I've even said before we need to be a little bit more streetwise and break up attacks early! Ralls tried bless him 
A few that spring to mind, obviously Spurs, fernandinho did it (and got booked), Burnley's and Newcastle's tactic to stop Josh Murphy was simply to clatter him (much the same as teams do vs Zaha and look at all the publicity about that!). Arsenal gave away a lot more fouls that us! I think we've not been dirty enough, we should try and live up to this reputation a little more!
A few that spring to mind, obviously Spurs, fernandinho did it (and got booked), Burnley's and Newcastle's tactic to stop Josh Murphy was simply to clatter him (much the same as teams do vs Zaha and look at all the publicity about that!). Arsenal gave away a lot more fouls that us! I think we've not been dirty enough, we should try and live up to this reputation a little more!
Re: Are Cardiff City a dirty team? The claims from rival fan
Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:46 pm
Yellow cards in the Premier League this season:
West Ham - 22
Watford - 18
Fulham, Arsenal + Wolves - 13
Cardiff - 10
West Ham - 22
Watford - 18
Fulham, Arsenal + Wolves - 13
Cardiff - 10
Re: Are Cardiff City a dirty team? The claims from rival fan
Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:54 pm
Said before say it again welsh team in the english prem f...ing dirty welsh , like been picked on by the school bully smallest weakest at the bottom and welsh to boot, us welsh should be used to this from English media pundits prime example gary f..king lineaker he has no time for neil, cardiff, and still bitter about his split with his x welsh girlfriend.
Re: Are Cardiff City a dirty team? The claims from rival fan
Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:12 pm
montyblue wrote:Said before say it again welsh team in the english prem f...ing dirty welsh , like been picked on by the school bully smallest weakest at the bottom and welsh to boot, us welsh should be used to this from English media pundits prime example gary f..king lineaker he has no time for neil, cardiff, and still bitter about his split with his x welsh girlfriend.
Get Harry Arter on MOTD as a pundit to take 'em all out in one go
Re: Are Cardiff City a dirty team? The claims from rival fan
Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:33 pm
AVONDALEBLUE
agree send in arter motd with a big f..k off welsh flag and say its off his x girlfriend who said it was like a button mushroom anyway.
agree send in arter motd with a big f..k off welsh flag and say its off his x girlfriend who said it was like a button mushroom anyway.
Re: Are Cardiff City a dirty team? The claims from rival fan
Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:47 pm
Tbh I think we are trying to be to nice. Haven't really got in many teams faces like we did last season.
Re: Are Cardiff City a dirty team? The claims from rival fan
Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:54 pm
2blue2handle wrote:Tbh I think we are trying to be to nice. Haven't really got in many teams faces like we did last season.
I said in another post about Saturdays game..im not defending or being critical of our long throws here..but there have been loads, then the media make a deal out of it ,sky rerunning a SM throw over and over etc and abracadabra no long throws at Wembley...coincidence ?
I hope so,because I like the Neil Warnock I didn't used to like at other clubs,the one who didn't give 2 shits.
if your reading Neil you can reproduce the football of the 1970 Brazilean team and get no credit..peoples minds are made up
Re: Are Cardiff City a dirty team? The claims from rival fan
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:01 pm
Surprised that Newcastle have the same amount of yellows as us - i would put them higher up that table .