Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:16 pm
Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:You don't need super powers either - just a certain level of intelligence and education, bit of experience of the world and the way it works plus the interest to read and compare lots of stuff and you're in business.
wow this must have been your life's work given that it would take you 10 hours to to explain your reasoning?
Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:23 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Out of them, it's the one you're not relying upon the honesty of politicians to substantiate , and the one without huge inconsistencies in the narrative.
Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:42 pm
Jock wrote:City Slicker wrote:Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:You don't need super powers either - just a certain level of intelligence and education, bit of experience of the world and the way it works plus the interest to read and compare lots of stuff and you're in business.
wow this must have been your life's work given that it would take you 10 hours to to explain your reasoning?
"The EU is the b*stard child of the Third Reich" says all you need to know! I stand here incredulous! I don't know what silly rag Jim has been reading but I think he means "The EU is the dove of peace borne out of the embers of the Third Reich". The whole raison d'etre of the EU was to curtail German military expansionism and to prevent any further Franco-German conflict. Sounds pretty good to me.
Merkel is running the show with her lickspittle Macron.
How’d that dove of peace do in the Balkans?
Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:09 pm
Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Out of them, it's the one you're not relying upon the honesty of politicians to substantiate , and the one without huge inconsistencies in the narrative.
So you do not dis-believe everything you read.
You just choose who you want to believe.
You dis-believe climate scientists but you believe Galileo.
Why is Galileo more believable than Climate Scientists?
Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:35 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:See, this is another thing where you'd need to know a lot of stuff to make an informed judgement.
Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:55 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Um .., Galileo was in fact somewhat persecuted for his findings, rather than receiving huge financial rewards from those who benefit from fake science.
Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:59 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Um .., Galileo was in fact somewhat persecuted for his findings
Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:06 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Not sure whether we want to go down that avenue do we ?
Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:18 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Well, for a start Galileo passes the long known scientific test of predictability, which all real science does.
Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:43 pm
Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Well, for a start Galileo passes the long known scientific test of predictability, which all real science does.
Interesting that you should predictability as proof. e.g. since the creation of man nobody has ever fallen off the end of the earth.
Scientists would not take this as proof. They would say that just because it hasn't happened yet does not mean that it couldn't happen.
Scientists would more likely point to definitive proof like photos taken from the moon among a multitude of other options.
Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:51 pm
Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Um .., Galileo was in fact somewhat persecuted for his findings, rather than receiving huge financial rewards from those who benefit from fake science.
so lets get this straight... Climate Scientists and their piers are being bribed by the Green Party, Environmentalists and Green Peace who are trying to squash the Coal, Gas. Oil and Nuclear Lobbies.
there is no comment here I am just trying to get to the bottom of what you are saying and trying to get you to point to specifics with evidence.
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Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:13 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:That's not predictability - Google it maybe ?
Not sure why we switched to flat earth stuff but actually it's a myth that anyone thought the earth was flat - well I suppose someone might - but there are maps of Globes going back to Ancient Greece and beyond .
Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:27 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:And if you begin to see some sense in what Ive said , don't get the hump. It doesn't mean you've lost, it means you've won
Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:50 pm
Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:58 pm
Lengee wrote:Dave 67 there comes a time when you should realise that you are playing chess with pidgeons.
Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:20 pm
Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:That's not predictability - Google it maybe ?
Not sure why we switched to flat earth stuff but actually it's a myth that anyone thought the earth was flat - well I suppose someone might - but there are maps of Globes going back to Ancient Greece and beyond .
actually my definition is perfectly accurate....
to simplify it for you using your own example. you throw an object in the air, just because it has never failed to come back down does not mean it always will, it could just mean that you have not thrown it up often enough.
If you toss a coin 10 times in a row and it comes up head is this proof that it will always come up heads?
Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:24 pm
Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:And if you begin to see some sense in what Ive said , don't get the hump. It doesn't mean you've lost, it means you've won
Okay lets recap
You do not believe in Climate change
You do not believe in the Moon Landings
You do not believe Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK
You refuse to say that the Holocaust actually happened.
You believe that the EU ins the new coming of the Third Reich.
You believe there is a international plot to undermine world trade by some mysterious forces whose methodology would seem to be Wind Farms and Solar Panels.
Yup, I am obviously the loser here.
Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:26 pm
Lengee wrote:Dave 67 there comes a time when you should realise that you are playing chess with pidgeons.
Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:37 pm
Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:And if you begin to see some sense in what Ive said , don't get the hump. It doesn't mean you've lost, it means you've won
Okay lets recap
You do not believe in Climate change
You do not believe in the Moon Landings
You do not believe Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK
You refuse to say that the Holocaust actually happened.
You believe that the EU ins the new coming of the Third Reich.
You believe there is a international plot to undermine world trade by some mysterious forces whose methodology would seem to be Wind Farms and Solar Panels.
Yup, I am obviously the loser here.
Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:52 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:I don't believe you ! Nice of you to simplify it for me , except that you're wrong. I told you what it meant and you could have checked that but you still persist. Your definition isn't correct , it's arrant bollocks and, paradoxically
SirJimmySchoular wrote:you end up questioning the legitimacy of the laws of gravity whilst telling me that I should be less skeptical about what I'm told. Can you see the irony of this ?
Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:05 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:you end up questioning the legitimacy of the laws of gravity
Science Journal wrote:There is a common misconception that a scientific law is a more sound version of a scientific theory. This is understandable, as without having these terms formally defined the English definition logically leads to the misconception......
The scientific method allows us to formulate ideas and back them with evidence. They are then shared with a community of other scientists that rigorously try to disprove them. If no one can disprove a hypothesis, it becomes the current working theory. If someone eventually does, the theory is changed or replaced. This process continues and results in better and better ideas being formulated over time. Although the scientific method is not guaranteed to give us the absolutely correct answer, it does help us get closer to that answer. It helps us improve our existing model of the universe and learn from our mistakes.
Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:15 pm
Lengee wrote:Dave 67 there comes a time when you should realise that you are playing chess with pidgeons.
Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:30 pm
Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:02 pm
Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:you end up questioning the legitimacy of the laws of gravity
I don't scientists do (source)Science Journal wrote:There is a common misconception that a scientific law is a more sound version of a scientific theory. This is understandable, as without having these terms formally defined the English definition logically leads to the misconception......
The scientific method allows us to formulate ideas and back them with evidence. They are then shared with a community of other scientists that rigorously try to disprove them. If no one can disprove a hypothesis, it becomes the current working theory. If someone eventually does, the theory is changed or replaced. This process continues and results in better and better ideas being formulated over time. Although the scientific method is not guaranteed to give us the absolutely correct answer, it does help us get closer to that answer. It helps us improve our existing model of the universe and learn from our mistakes.
Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:07 pm
Dave67 wrote:Lengee wrote:Dave 67 there comes a time when you should realise that you are playing chess with pidgeons.
Was really just interested in whether he could substantiate anything he was saying or whether there was a logical thought pattern behind it. I will leave you to form your own conclusions.
This is my last post on this thread.
Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:12 pm
Dave67 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:I don't believe you ! Nice of you to simplify it for me , except that you're wrong. I told you what it meant and you could have checked that but you still persist. Your definition isn't correct , it's arrant bollocks and, paradoxically
I am guessing that you remain unconvinced?SirJimmySchoular wrote:you end up questioning the legitimacy of the laws of gravity whilst telling me that I should be less skeptical about what I'm told. Can you see the irony of this ?
I kinda pointed this out a long time ago when I said you were going further than scientists are prepared to, but well done for catching up.
Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:13 pm