Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:12 am
northernbluebird wrote:Dave67 wrote:I have just dug up your forecast of Neil Etheridge from October 2017.....northernbluebird from October 2017 on Neil Etheridge wrote:it's certainly a strange situation as he doesnt inspire confidence and always looks to have an error in him, but you check his record and its the best in the league!
he is not helped by playing alongside players like bamba who play him into trouble, and who is even more error prone by the way, IMO.
Seems forecasts are not as easy as you would have us believe.
trawling through page after page of my posts and that's the worst you can find? i'm flattered. i also think you need to get some hobbies / a job.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:33 am
AfricanBluebird wrote:A no deal brexit...
▪️We turn all the EU external tariffs against ourselves
▪️Multiplying the beuraucracy and costs at our island's main food port
▪️Removing the rights of 1.4 million emigrant Brits to live in their homes
▪️Ending the Good Friday Agreement
▪️Massively increasing the average export distances for UK businesses.
▪️Leaving EURATOM, which allows us to quickly get the radioactive materials necessary for treating CANCER.
▪️Ending trade deals which make up over 60% of our international trade.
The PMs deal resolves many of these but keeps us partially in and subject to the EU without a vote... plus we have to pay.
All in all “clusterfuck” seems like the appropriate word
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:50 am
SirJimmySchoular wrote:AfricanBluebird wrote:A no deal brexit...
▪️We turn all the EU external tariffs against ourselves
▪️Multiplying the beuraucracy and costs at our island's main food port
▪️Removing the rights of 1.4 million emigrant Brits to live in their homes
▪️Ending the Good Friday Agreement
▪️Massively increasing the average export distances for UK businesses.
▪️Leaving EURATOM, which allows us to quickly get the radioactive materials necessary for treating CANCER.
▪️Ending trade deals which make up over 60% of our international trade.
The PMs deal resolves many of these but keeps us partially in and subject to the EU without a vote... plus we have to pay.
All in all “clusterfuck” seems like the appropriate word
It doesn't mean any if that though, does it ?
Given that we keep hearing that we apparently didn't understand what we were doing in voting to leave , this post is a very good example of someone who's bought into project fear completely and is repeating scare stories which are simply untrue.
It has never been the practise of independent nation states to envisage possible future problems and abdicate their independence to avoid them, but rather to address and overcome them as and when they arise. We have nothing to fear from Europe, as we have proven over a period of many centuries during which they have unsuccessfully threatened us, and it's quite a new thing for those who are intimidated by such threats to have such a loud voice. Ultimately, we can if necessary be just as awkward toward the Eu as they could be toward us and I rather doubt that they really want that.
The matter is settled in terms of the outcome since there is no time for any Parliamentry or other process to prevent us leaving the eu on the scheduled date , so you might as well stop carping at this point. Wherever terms are or are not agreed will have to be dealt with, and either way we can do that. Personally , I consider "no deal" the very best option in point of fact, but at this stage we are merely bickering about details and in that process perhaps we should stop trying to foretell the future and instead deal with the reality of the present .
( for the avoidance of doubt, that was one of my completely serious posts )
Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:10 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:AfricanBluebird wrote:A no deal brexit...
▪️We turn all the EU external tariffs against ourselves
▪️Multiplying the beuraucracy and costs at our island's main food port
▪️Removing the rights of 1.4 million emigrant Brits to live in their homes
▪️Ending the Good Friday Agreement
▪️Massively increasing the average export distances for UK businesses.
▪️Leaving EURATOM, which allows us to quickly get the radioactive materials necessary for treating CANCER.
▪️Ending trade deals which make up over 60% of our international trade.
The PMs deal resolves many of these but keeps us partially in and subject to the EU without a vote... plus we have to pay.
All in all “clusterfuck” seems like the appropriate word
It doesn't mean any if that though, does it ?
Given that we keep hearing that we apparently didn't understand what we were doing in voting to leave , this post is a very good example of someone who's bought into project fear completely and is repeating scare stories which are simply untrue.
It has never been the practise of independent nation states to envisage possible future problems and abdicate their independence to avoid them, but rather to address and overcome them as and when they arise. We have nothing to fear from Europe, as we have proven over a period of many centuries during which they have unsuccessfully threatened us, and it's quite a new thing for those who are intimidated by such threats to have such a loud voice. Ultimately, we can if necessary be just as awkward toward the Eu as they could be toward us and I rather doubt that they really want that.
The matter is settled in terms of the outcome since there is no time for any Parliamentry or other process to prevent us leaving the eu on the scheduled date , so you might as well stop carping at this point. Wherever terms are or are not agreed will have to be dealt with, and either way we can do that. Personally , I consider "no deal" the very best option in point of fact, but at this stage we are merely bickering about details and in that process perhaps we should stop trying to foretell the future and instead deal with the reality of the present .
( for the avoidance of doubt, that was one of my completely serious posts )
Thing is Jimmy, you have'nt addressed the big problem. If we leave the EU we will all die from cancer. Won't be long before we are told that leaving the EU will make the UK more likely to be hit by an asteroid. (Still waiting for the emergency budget to ensure our economy does not collapse. The one Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a leave vote).
Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:17 pm
Jock wrote:Only 44% of our exports went to the EU and when you factor in some of that transited through EU Ports like Rotterdam heading to non EU countries our trade with the EU is nearer 35%.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:19 pm
Jock wrote:Really is beyond pathetic, still now we know the shite deal May got us is down to Bamba not defending the second ball.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:25 pm
northernbluebird wrote:trawling through page after page of my posts and that's the worst you can find? i'm flattered. i also think you need to get some hobbies / a job.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:32 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:AfricanBluebird wrote:A no deal brexit...
▪️We turn all the EU external tariffs against ourselves
▪️Multiplying the beuraucracy and costs at our island's main food port
▪️Removing the rights of 1.4 million emigrant Brits to live in their homes
▪️Ending the Good Friday Agreement
▪️Massively increasing the average export distances for UK businesses.
▪️Leaving EURATOM, which allows us to quickly get the radioactive materials necessary for treating CANCER.
▪️Ending trade deals which make up over 60% of our international trade.
The PMs deal resolves many of these but keeps us partially in and subject to the EU without a vote... plus we have to pay.
All in all “clusterfuck” seems like the appropriate word
It doesn't mean any if that though, does it ?
Given that we keep hearing that we apparently didn't understand what we were doing in voting to leave , this post is a very good example of someone who's bought into project fear completely and is repeating scare stories which are simply untrue.
It has never been the practise of independent nation states to envisage possible future problems and abdicate their independence to avoid them, but rather to address and overcome them as and when they arise. We have nothing to fear from Europe, as we have proven over a period of many centuries during which they have unsuccessfully threatened us, and it's quite a new thing for those who are intimidated by such threats to have such a loud voice. Ultimately, we can if necessary be just as awkward toward the Eu as they could be toward us and I rather doubt that they really want that.
The matter is settled in terms of the outcome since there is no time for any Parliamentry or other process to prevent us leaving the eu on the scheduled date , so you might as well stop carping at this point. Wherever terms are or are not agreed will have to be dealt with, and either way we can do that. Personally , I consider "no deal" the very best option in point of fact, but at this stage we are merely bickering about details and in that process perhaps we should stop trying to foretell the future and instead deal with the reality of the present .
( for the avoidance of doubt, that was one of my completely serious posts )
Thing is Jimmy, you have'nt addressed the big problem. If we leave the EU we will all die from cancer. Won't be long before we are told that leaving the EU will make the UK more likely to be hit by an asteroid. (Still waiting for the emergency budget to ensure our economy does not collapse. The one Osborne said would be needed within weeks of a leave vote).
Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:35 pm
Sven wrote:No good talking sense to this one, Steve.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:48 pm
Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:48 pm
Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:48 pm
Dave67 wrote:Jock wrote:Only 44% of our exports went to the EU and when you factor in some of that transited through EU Ports like Rotterdam heading to non EU countries our trade with the EU is nearer 35%.
Given that 40% of UK exports are services and go nowhere near a port your 35% figure would mean that 35% of our physical exports go through EU ports to non-EU countries.
Please provide a source for this or I will assume you are making it up as you go along.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:52 pm
captbirdseye wrote:Don't worry we can pay the EU infarthing, halfpenny and half crowns. For the glory of the British Empire.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:01 pm
Jock wrote:I couldn’t give a monkeys fart what you assume. It’s from Fact Checker and refers to 2016 2017 figures (goods and services)
FactChecker wrote:Both the Office for National Statistics and the government's review of our EU membership have concluded that it's hard to quantify the extent of this ‘Rotterdam effect’ or establish whether it's a serious problem for the statistics.
The ONS has estimated that it may account for around 2% of all exported goods and services to the EU.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:03 pm
Jock wrote:Problem with this whole debate is Remainers start from a position of everyone who voted leave is a bit thick therefore they tend to be very condescending and disrespectful. In truth there’s little point debating this with you.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:07 pm
Jock wrote:A Cambridge Academic actually believes those who voted Brexit did so because they long for a return of the British Empire, I’d assumed he was a lone moon howler, completely out of touch with the day to day realities of everyday life, perhaps he wasn’t alone in that after all.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:16 pm
Jock wrote:Only 44% of our exports went to the EU and when you factor in some of that transited through EU Ports like Rotterdam heading to non EU countries our trade with the EU is nearer 35%.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:38 pm
Dave67 wrote:Jock wrote:A Cambridge Academic actually believes those who voted Brexit did so because they long for a return of the British Empire, I’d assumed he was a lone moon howler, completely out of touch with the day to day realities of everyday life, perhaps he wasn’t alone in that after all.
Don't bother naming the academic or linking the source of your point. That would make it far too easy for people to check whether you are making it up as you go along.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:10 pm
Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:47 pm
rumpo kid wrote:I voted leave because the French are weird.
Sauce: Jean Claude Junker
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:31 pm
City Slicker wrote:rumpo kid wrote:I voted leave because the French are weird.
Sauce: Jean Claude Junker
He's Luxembourgish
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:17 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:City Slicker wrote:rumpo kid wrote:I voted leave because the French are weird.
Sauce: Jean Claude Junker
He's Luxembourgish
Well, I'm not sure whether he was born there, but his father was certainly an unpleasant Nazi who remained there after the war.
Personally, I can see him in the uniform quite easily.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:44 pm
City Slicker wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:City Slicker wrote:rumpo kid wrote:I voted leave because the French are weird.
Sauce: Jean Claude Junker
He's Luxembourgish
Well, I'm not sure whether he was born there, but his father was certainly an unpleasant Nazi who remained there after the war.
Personally, I can see him in the uniform quite easily.
Yes born in Redange. Good for him he's overseeing a very worthwhile project. The sins of the fathers are not necessarily visited upon their sons.
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:56 pm
City Slicker wrote:The sins of the fathers are not necessarily visited upon their sons.
The Telegraph wrote:Born in 1924 to a working class family, Mr Juncker’s father Joseph, a steel worker and a Christian trade unionist, was forcibly conscripted into the German Wehrmacht army during the War.
In 1942 over 10,000 Luxembourgers were forced to serve in the German army, prompting a nationwide general strike that was brutally crushed by the tiny Grand Duchy’s Nazi occupiers.
The wounds are still raw. In 1997, the Luxembourg leader wept in the margins of an EU summit with Ukraine recalling how his father was wounded fighting in Odessa under duress as a forced conscript in a Nazi army that he loathed.
Over 2,800 of the forced conscripts from Luxembourg died, a history that reinforces Mr Juncker’s mission to keep a reunified Germany bound to France within European structures, such as the euro.
Last month, his father, aged 90, who is frail and living in nursing home, wept when a radio station reported on The Sun newspaper’s allegation that he was the Juncker family’s “Nazi link”, an episode that has hardened his son’s hostility to British opposition to his appointment.
“He was stunned,” said a source close to Mr Juncker. “He despairs that the disgusting part of the British press has such a large influence.”
Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:19 am
Dave67 wrote:City Slicker wrote:The sins of the fathers are not necessarily visited upon their sons.
City Slicker, before accepting the premise of their point you might want to check out it's legitimacy.
It seems to derive from this Sun Article
and was taken up as propaganda by some Rabid Brexit Campaigns
Other newspapers did not take up the story
The telegraph later reflects on it in this piece.The Telegraph wrote:Born in 1924 to a working class family, Mr Juncker’s father Joseph, a steel worker and a Christian trade unionist, was forcibly conscripted into the German Wehrmacht army during the War.
In 1942 over 10,000 Luxembourgers were forced to serve in the German army, prompting a nationwide general strike that was brutally crushed by the tiny Grand Duchy’s Nazi occupiers.
The wounds are still raw. In 1997, the Luxembourg leader wept in the margins of an EU summit with Ukraine recalling how his father was wounded fighting in Odessa under duress as a forced conscript in a Nazi army that he loathed.
Over 2,800 of the forced conscripts from Luxembourg died, a history that reinforces Mr Juncker’s mission to keep a reunified Germany bound to France within European structures, such as the euro.
Last month, his father, aged 90, who is frail and living in nursing home, wept when a radio station reported on The Sun newspaper’s allegation that he was the Juncker family’s “Nazi link”, an episode that has hardened his son’s hostility to British opposition to his appointment.
“He was stunned,” said a source close to Mr Juncker. “He despairs that the disgusting part of the British press has such a large influence.”
Like many on here The Sun does not like to let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:39 am
Lengee wrote:So.... Just to return to the topic. What a bloody mess the Tories have made. In my lifetime I have never seen a government quite so "broken" by internal strife and personal ambition. And all of them saying they are acting in the country's interests. Truly shameful.
Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:23 pm
Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:13 pm
rumpo kid wrote:I rather suspect it’s because he’s a mad socialist nut with a booze problem. Now, wait a minute....
Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:20 pm
Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:43 pm
Dave67 wrote:City Slicker wrote:The sins of the fathers are not necessarily visited upon their sons.
City Slicker, before accepting the premise of their point you might want to check out it's legitimacy.
It seems to derive from this Sun Article
and was taken up as propaganda by some Rabid Brexit Campaigns
Other newspapers did not take up the story
The telegraph later reflects on it in this piece.The Telegraph wrote:Born in 1924 to a working class family, Mr Juncker’s father Joseph, a steel worker and a Christian trade unionist, was forcibly conscripted into the German Wehrmacht army during the War.
In 1942 over 10,000 Luxembourgers were forced to serve in the German army, prompting a nationwide general strike that was brutally crushed by the tiny Grand Duchy’s Nazi occupiers.
The wounds are still raw. In 1997, the Luxembourg leader wept in the margins of an EU summit with Ukraine recalling how his father was wounded fighting in Odessa under duress as a forced conscript in a Nazi army that he loathed.
Over 2,800 of the forced conscripts from Luxembourg died, a history that reinforces Mr Juncker’s mission to keep a reunified Germany bound to France within European structures, such as the euro.
Last month, his father, aged 90, who is frail and living in nursing home, wept when a radio station reported on The Sun newspaper’s allegation that he was the Juncker family’s “Nazi link”, an episode that has hardened his son’s hostility to British opposition to his appointment.
“He was stunned,” said a source close to Mr Juncker. “He despairs that the disgusting part of the British press has such a large influence.”
Like many on here The Sun does not like to let the facts get in the way of a good story.