Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:35 pm
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:52 pm
Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:57 pm
Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:01 pm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:06 pm
Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:11 pm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:40 pm
powysblue wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
I would be 100% against another referendum as it would throw the UK into turmoil and nobody would ever trust any kind of political vote again, and that is an understatement.
I, like the 52% who voted to leave EU and have watched in frustration and disbelief at the way it has been handled over the past 2 years +
When you ask the people (electorate) a blunt 2 choice referendum, just 1 vote is enough for a majority. That is something the slippery self serving political class and remoaners have conveniently forgotten about or brushed aside.
I am a natural Conservative voter But I have to agree that they have made a right hash of it - first mistake was to elect a remain voter as prime minister (through all her political trickery, listening to her pro Euro advisers, Money men from industry and doom and gloom mongers) - Remember No deal is Better than a bad deal !!! Well her deal with the EU is a BAD deal for UK.
In Mrs May's efforts to please everybody she has pleased nobody.
But be under no illusion that the POWERS THAT BE will never let us leave - in 2016 Mr Cameron was expecting a large majority to vote to remain in the EU (and spent 9 million telling us all how much better off we would be within the EU) - then, as happens once in a generation, the SILENT MAJORITY came out and threw the biggest curve ball into the establishment.
IF, as should have happened, we went into negotiations with the EU with a "were off, see ya" attitude, I have no doubt that we would be leaving with a (so called deal) that was in our favour.
Mrs May's DEAL is really a capitulation and was the plan all along to frustrate the people's wishes by the back door - How many times does she have to try and convince the Brexit voting electorate and the slippery politicians that this is deal brexit ? It is just trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes and what makes it particularly galling is that the political class think that the PLEBS (as they like to call the ordinary people) will fall for their tricks and lies.
After last nights 230 vote majority in the House of Commons, Surely it is time to get real and uphold the real brexit we voted for but as Mrs May has got the Government into such a mess now. What is the answer??
I am afraid that if you voted LEAVE, We are never going to get what we voted for from the EU or the Government.
Even if the only way, is another referendum, that will be rigged as well, with 3 questions on the ballot (1) leave the EU (2) leave the EU with Mrs May's Deal (3) stay in EU. - what the inevitable consequence of that would be, some leave voters would vote for Mrs May's deal just to get it "over and done with", whilst other leave voters would vote to leave again. The original Stay in EU voters would mostly vote to Stay - Thus, the leave Vote would be split and the stay vote would win - THE PLAN ALL ALONG.
I am afraid to say that slippery self serving politicians and the remoaner propaganda brigade, big business and money men will never let us leave the EU.
Most, but not all, of the younger generation accuse the older generation of messing up their future? Do they really think that the older and mostly wiser, university of life oldies voted leave to mess up their future? NO, quite the opposite.
That's my threepence worth, for what it is worth - Bugger all !!!!
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:47 pm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:57 pm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:58 pm
Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:41 pm
Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:42 pm
Bananas wrote:2nd referendum ASAP please Brexit idiots!! Led along like lambs to the slaughter by English con men.
Wales as part of a strong Europe or continually being treated with contempt by more corrupt English cronies.....not much choice.
#welshandeuropean
#wexitnotbrexit
Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:59 pm
paulh_85 wrote:Bananas wrote:2nd referendum ASAP please Brexit idiots!! Led along like lambs to the slaughter by English con men.
Wales as part of a strong Europe or continually being treated with contempt by more corrupt English cronies.....not much choice.
#welshandeuropean
#wexitnotbrexit
You'd have to be some kind of fool to think Europe is strong.
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:06 pm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:10 pm
welshrarebit wrote:The only true second referendum can be
1. Leave with no deal. bar sorting out individual rights etc
2. Leave with a negotiated deal.
We must leave and have the chance to make a go of it.
Those that prefer to remain can by all means make a case to apply to go back in. But let us have the exit first.
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:18 pm
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:01 pm
TopCat CCFC wrote:Tonight's vote = May backed by 325 v 306 Against = Majority 19 .
Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:15 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
And you have confidence in the unelected mob from Europe running us?
Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:59 pm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:11 pm
Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
And you have confidence in the unelected mob from Europe running us?
The better option out of the two I’m afraid as been proven in these negotiations.
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:15 pm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:30 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:There is little doubt in the public mind that politicians are deliberately fudging issues and employing procedural conjuring tricks to frustrate and reverse the popular vote and the will of the electors.
Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:07 pm
Liles93 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:There is little doubt in the public mind that politicians are deliberately fudging issues and employing procedural conjuring tricks to frustrate and reverse the popular vote and the will of the electors.
Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:16 pm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:47 pm
Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
And you have confidence in the unelected mob from Europe running us?
The better option out of the two I’m afraid as been proven in these negotiations.
Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:56 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebirdforlife77 wrote:I feel it’s the only way now. I’m sad to say. If so I’ve changed my mind and would vote remain. I have no confidence in politicians from this country being able to run it.
And you have confidence in the unelected mob from Europe running us?
The better option out of the two I’m afraid as been proven in these negotiations.
Better option is a matter of opinion of course! but then that's not what was democratically voted for, the negotiations have ended like this because of selfish mps who want what they want not what the people voted for they are a disgrace to constituencies they represent