Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:08 pm
Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:17 pm
Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:00 pm
Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:14 pm
Sven wrote:There's already a vote similar to this!
shall we go for best of three?!
Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:15 pm
T1JMO wrote:Sven wrote:There's already a vote similar to this!
shall we go for best of three?!
"Do you trust the government?" is the same thing?
Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:52 pm
welshrarebit wrote:I voted no deal because I don't like the potential consequence of the back stop for Mays deal.
welshrarebit wrote:What I want is to be able to do our own trade deals should we wise. Be free to vary our corporate tax rates if we wish. Repatriate as many decisions given over as possible. I don't believe we need a political union to trade. Cooperate and be friends with our neighbours. I would probably be ok with a Norway option. I'm ok with free movement provided we can decline violent criminals and the like.
welshrarebit wrote:Let's juts get on with it. I do not believe the world will end. We should see everything as an opportunity. If it's no deal then fine. Deal with it and build up. If it's a deal then great. But it needs to be one we can exit without the approval of 27 other countries. I'm hopeful that our politicians can get their head out if their asses and engage with the whole world. Stranger things have happened.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:07 pm
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:21 pm
Sneggyblubird wrote:I heard an MP say that out of the 650 MP's about 85% are dead against leaving the EU with no deal including about 50% of the cabinate.Make of that what you will.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:27 pm
Sneggyblubird wrote:I heard an MP say that out of the 650 MP's about 85% are dead against leaving the EU with no deal including about 50% of the cabinate.Make of that what you will.
epping blue wrote:I think that's fairly straight forward arithmetic from Tuesday. Around 90 conservatives rebelled wanting no deal in preference.to May's deal. It doesn't take into account tories in 202 who would support a no deal but with May's deal for the sake of unity. I suspect the DUP would happily go no deal. So no where near a majority but a good bit more than 15%.
Yvette Cooper keeps banging on about the 230 defeat like they won by 230. 180 of that majotriy is the result of those who rejected the deal based on wanting to leave without a deal.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:27 pm
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:38 pm
WelshBluebird wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:I heard an MP say that out of the 650 MP's about 85% are dead against leaving the EU with no deal including about 50% of the cabinate.Make of that what you will.
That maybe leaving without a deal isn't a good idea.epping blue wrote:I think that's fairly straight forward arithmetic from Tuesday. Around 90 conservatives rebelled wanting no deal in preference.to May's deal. It doesn't take into account tories in 202 who would support a no deal but with May's deal for the sake of unity. I suspect the DUP would happily go no deal. So no where near a majority but a good bit more than 15%.
Yvette Cooper keeps banging on about the 230 defeat like they won by 230. 180 of that majotriy is the result of those who rejected the deal based on wanting to leave without a deal.
118 Tories voted against May's deal.
But a large number of that would be made up of Tories who don't want to leave at all or Tories who want to leave with a different deal other than May's. And then you also have the Tories who want to leave with no deal.
To suggest that they all want a no deal is just a lie.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:40 pm
dogfound wrote:he did not say that they all wanted a no deal..
to suggest he did is just a LIE...DAVE THE LIAR BY ANY CHANCE.?
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:56 pm
WelshBluebird wrote:dogfound wrote:he did not say that they all wanted a no deal..
to suggest he did is just a LIE...DAVE THE LIAR BY ANY CHANCE.?
He said, using a direct quote, "Around 90 conservatives rebelled wanting no deal in preference.to May's deal".
There is no way 90 Tories want a no deal.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:13 pm
Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:00 pm
epping blue wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:I heard an MP say that out of the 650 MP's about 85% are dead against leaving the EU with no deal including about 50% of the cabinate.Make of that what you will.
I think that's fairly straight forward arithmetic from Tuesday. Around 90 conservatives rebelled wanting no deal in preference.to May's deal. It doesn't take into account tories in 202 who would support a no deal but with May's deal for the sake of unity. I suspect the DUP would happily go no deal. So no where near a majority but a good bit more than 15%.
Yvette Cooper keeps banging on about the 230 defeat like they won by 230. 180 of that majotriy is the result of those who rejected the deal based on wanting to leave without a deal.
Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:08 pm
WelshBluebird wrote:welshrarebit wrote:I voted no deal because I don't like the potential consequence of the back stop for Mays deal.
Like?
What would you suggest instead?welshrarebit wrote:What I want is to be able to do our own trade deals should we wise. Be free to vary our corporate tax rates if we wish. Repatriate as many decisions given over as possible. I don't believe we need a political union to trade. Cooperate and be friends with our neighbours. I would probably be ok with a Norway option. I'm ok with free movement provided we can decline violent criminals and the like.
All of that is allowed by May's deal though.welshrarebit wrote:Let's juts get on with it. I do not believe the world will end. We should see everything as an opportunity. If it's no deal then fine. Deal with it and build up. If it's a deal then great. But it needs to be one we can exit without the approval of 27 other countries. I'm hopeful that our politicians can get their head out if their asses and engage with the whole world. Stranger things have happened.
Of course the world will not end. But there are quite a lot of issues that need to be sorted before Brexit. How do you suggest we do that if we just say "sod it we are walking away"? If we really are going for "no deal" then preparations should have begun as soon as article 50 was started (ideally even before that).
Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:13 pm
Sneggyblubird wrote:epping blue wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:I heard an MP say that out of the 650 MP's about 85% are dead against leaving the EU with no deal including about 50% of the cabinate.Make of that what you will.
I think that's fairly straight forward arithmetic from Tuesday. Around 90 conservatives rebelled wanting no deal in preference.to May's deal. It doesn't take into account tories in 202 who would support a no deal but with May's deal for the sake of unity. I suspect the DUP would happily go no deal. So no where near a majority but a good bit more than 15%.
Yvette Cooper keeps banging on about the 230 defeat like they won by 230. 180 of that majotriy is the result of those who rejected the deal based on wanting to leave without a deal.
May's deal and no deal are 2 different things.Like I said according to this MP(forgot who it was)it was 85% are against a no-deal exit.Even more straight forward.
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:48 am
Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:36 am
stevee1966 wrote:I'd go no deal but the remainers in parliament will vote that down.
The EU deal that Theresa May hass put forward has been voted down already.
The new idea of parties talking to each other to come up with a compromise will just soften Brexit even more so will be voted down by the leavers.
It will never end because no one gets exactly what they want. And even if our parliarment do agree on terms, the EU will probably not.
I wish we could just get out with no deal, so we can make our own decisions, and stop the EU holding us to ransom.
Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:08 am
Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:23 am
stevee1966 wrote:So we're held to ransom by terrorists. Eire is a different country to the UK. Why shouldn't there be a border.
Why does a border give people the green light to restart the problems of the past. It's just an excuse to brain dead people who want violence as an answer.
Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:01 pm
Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:35 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Just seen that 30 odd high profile Germans politicians/industrialist saying want us to stay in EU Getting worried about a no deal maybe? They dont want to have to make up shortfall in EU funds UK leaving will cause!
Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:57 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Just seen that 30 odd high profile Germans politicians/industrialist saying want us to stay in EU Getting worried about a no deal maybe? They dont want to have to make up shortfall in EU funds UK leaving will cause!
Like I said earlier Alan, this notion some people have that it is only us who stand to lose is nonsense. It is in everyone's interest for an amicable seperation. Many EU companies are reliant on us for their exports. Works both ways, it is not only the UK who will lose out if agreements cannot be made.
I see the impartial BBC could not resist saying Brexit may be partly responsibe as to why there is currently a shortage of medicine and tablets in England. The National Pharmaceutical Association have said that Brexit has nothing to do with this, and that this has been a common theme for at least ten years. Does'nt stop the Beeb from planting ideas in the minds of it's viewers though, even if they are supposed to be reporting the news in an impartial manner. How they can suggest it is a bit odd considering we are still in the EU at this time. Nothing like a bit of scaremongering I suppose.
Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:32 pm
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:03 pm
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:14 pm
howbluewasmyvalley wrote:Allan / Steve agree completely. Profiteering.
Re the 30 Germans, their letter was infantile.
It even refers to not wanting the UK to leave Europe.
What do they think we’re doing, moving our islands to somewhere else on the globe?
We’re leaving the EU and still in Europe, dummkopfs, just like Switzerland and Norway.
Good grief.
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