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EastleighBlue wrote:There is no conspiracy here, its just a tragic accident. The most likely explanation for that photo is aeroplane vapour trails, that's if its not indeed a hoax.
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:26 am
snoopystorm wrote:EastleighBlue wrote:There is no conspiracy here, its just a tragic accident. The most likely explanation for that photo is aeroplane vapour trails, that's if its not indeed a hoax.
Airplane vapours are straight, these trails are all over the place like they’ve been shot at velocity and carried in the wind
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:31 am
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:15 am
fred keenor wrote:Surely whoever took the photo has come forward for verification?
Cant believe there is no sign of wreckage as if it descended uncontrolled surely it would have broken up on impact.
Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:32 am
Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:36 am
pembroke allan wrote:fred keenor wrote:Surely whoever took the photo has come forward for verification?
Cant believe there is no sign of wreckage as if it descended uncontrolled surely it would have broken up on impact.
They know roughly area it crashed so you would imagine wreckage will be seen? As for picture if there was rockets used they would not use 6 in one go you wait until search craft are nearby and the trails look to big and long for distress rockets having seen them fired,
Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:56 am
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Steve Zodiak wrote:I would have thought if the aircraft had descended to 2600 feet and suffered engine failure, the pilot would have had more than enough time to send out a distress call signalling his intentions to try and ditch the plane either in the water or on land. The fact this did not happen, and the plane apparently just disappeared off the radar surely suggests that something catastrophic happened while in flight. Personally, I could never see this having the outcome we all hoped for. I think there is every possibility that the aircraft either broke up mid air, or plummeted those couple of thousand feet giving the pilot no time to send out a distress call. Just an opinion like many others have had, but all aeroplanes will stay airborne for a time without power, and the absence of any indication of a problem from the pilot suggest that there was little time to react.
Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:57 am
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:06 pm
Logie wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:I would have thought if the aircraft had descended to 2600 feet and suffered engine failure, the pilot would have had more than enough time to send out a distress call signalling his intentions to try and ditch the plane either in the water or on land. The fact this did not happen, and the plane apparently just disappeared off the radar surely suggests that something catastrophic happened while in flight. Personally, I could never see this having the outcome we all hoped for. I think there is every possibility that the aircraft either broke up mid air, or plummeted those couple of thousand feet giving the pilot no time to send out a distress call. Just an opinion like many others have had, but all aeroplanes will stay airborne for a time without power, and the absence of any indication of a problem from the pilot suggest that there was little time to react.
Yea have to agree, the common idea is that the plane was freezing up hence reason for decent. Guessing he didnt have time to radio mayday in trying to save them both and the plane.
Not trying ot be a scumbag but just looking at the conditions and shit, even if they got out they would of been wet and its been around -1 - 0c in Cardiff last few days, must of been similar their.
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:12 pm
ccfcblue1980 wrote:I've been thinking about the island this morning and if there is any doubt at all we need to get people on it to search. We need to do anything that's possible, and I'm not saying this is, or is safe but we got to try to get over there. It can't be that hard to hire a boat. May get slaughtered or just being nieve but i need to do something if possible. I know I'm not the only one who feels like this
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:19 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Logie wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:I would have thought if the aircraft had descended to 2600 feet and suffered engine failure, the pilot would have had more than enough time to send out a distress call signalling his intentions to try and ditch the plane either in the water or on land. The fact this did not happen, and the plane apparently just disappeared off the radar surely suggests that something catastrophic happened while in flight. Personally, I could never see this having the outcome we all hoped for. I think there is every possibility that the aircraft either broke up mid air, or plummeted those couple of thousand feet giving the pilot no time to send out a distress call. Just an opinion like many others have had, but all aeroplanes will stay airborne for a time without power, and the absence of any indication of a problem from the pilot suggest that there was little time to react.
Yea have to agree, the common idea is that the plane was freezing up hence reason for decent. Guessing he didnt have time to radio mayday in trying to save them both and the plane.
Not trying ot be a scumbag but just looking at the conditions and shit, even if they got out they would of been wet and its been around -1 - 0c in Cardiff last few days, must of been similar their.
What are called dead stick landings are part of the training for your PPL. All aircraft have a glide path, and dependent on height can travel for a number of miles before having to touch down. If this aeroplane simply lost power and was forced to ditch, you would have expected the pilot to send out a mayday call giving his co-ordinates so that rescue teams would know where the plane has come down. Similarly, any passengers would have had the time to at least send a text to their family or a loved one. No distress call combined with just vanishing off radar is not a good sign.
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:19 pm
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:21 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:ccfcblue1980 wrote:I've been thinking about the island this morning and if there is any doubt at all we need to get people on it to search. We need to do anything that's possible, and I'm not saying this is, or is safe but we got to try to get over there. It can't be that hard to hire a boat. May get slaughtered or just being nieve but i need to do something if possible. I know I'm not the only one who feels like this
No, you'd die trying to navigate those waters in a small craft if you weren't expert in the area. It's easily reached from military bases with specialist teams ready to recover pilots in hostile territory , so I'm sure they'd have been on the ground a long time ago if that was necessary . Maybe they have been but they don't make press statements generally .
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:38 pm
ccfcblue1980 wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:ccfcblue1980 wrote:I've been thinking about the island this morning and if there is any doubt at all we need to get people on it to search. We need to do anything that's possible, and I'm not saying this is, or is safe but we got to try to get over there. It can't be that hard to hire a boat. May get slaughtered or just being nieve but i need to do something if possible. I know I'm not the only one who feels like this
No, you'd die trying to navigate those waters in a small craft if you weren't expert in the area. It's easily reached from military bases with specialist teams ready to recover pilots in hostile territory , so I'm sure they'd have been on the ground a long time ago if that was necessary . Maybe they have been but they don't make press statements generally .
But then surely we could hire someone experienced to take us. Clutching at straws probably, But feel it needs searching by foot. And if no one else will it leaves it to us
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:48 pm
Rambo No 5 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Logie wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:I would have thought if the aircraft had descended to 2600 feet and suffered engine failure, the pilot would have had more than enough time to send out a distress call signalling his intentions to try and ditch the plane either in the water or on land. The fact this did not happen, and the plane apparently just disappeared off the radar surely suggests that something catastrophic happened while in flight. Personally, I could never see this having the outcome we all hoped for. I think there is every possibility that the aircraft either broke up mid air, or plummeted those couple of thousand feet giving the pilot no time to send out a distress call. Just an opinion like many others have had, but all aeroplanes will stay airborne for a time without power, and the absence of any indication of a problem from the pilot suggest that there was little time to react.
Yea have to agree, the common idea is that the plane was freezing up hence reason for decent. Guessing he didnt have time to radio mayday in trying to save them both and the plane.
Not trying ot be a scumbag but just looking at the conditions and shit, even if they got out they would of been wet and its been around -1 - 0c in Cardiff last few days, must of been similar their.
What are called dead stick landings are part of the training for your PPL. All aircraft have a glide path, and dependent on height can travel for a number of miles before having to touch down. If this aeroplane simply lost power and was forced to ditch, you would have expected the pilot to send out a mayday call giving his co-ordinates so that rescue teams would know where the plane has come down. Similarly, any passengers would have had the time to at least send a text to their family or a loved one. No distress call combined with just vanishing off radar is not a good sign.
Silly question, but could a complete loss of power not prevent the pilot from relaying any kind of mayday or coordinates? I would imagine their location/rapid change in altitude would also prevent mobile phones from getting any kind of signal. Having said that, I would’ve thought sending a text would be the last thing on their mind amongst preparation for a very sudden emergency landing at sea.
Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:15 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Rambo No 5 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Logie wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:I would have thought if the aircraft had descended to 2600 feet and suffered engine failure, the pilot would have had more than enough time to send out a distress call signalling his intentions to try and ditch the plane either in the water or on land. The fact this did not happen, and the plane apparently just disappeared off the radar surely suggests that something catastrophic happened while in flight. Personally, I could never see this having the outcome we all hoped for. I think there is every possibility that the aircraft either broke up mid air, or plummeted those couple of thousand feet giving the pilot no time to send out a distress call. Just an opinion like many others have had, but all aeroplanes will stay airborne for a time without power, and the absence of any indication of a problem from the pilot suggest that there was little time to react.
Yea have to agree, the common idea is that the plane was freezing up hence reason for decent. Guessing he didnt have time to radio mayday in trying to save them both and the plane.
Not trying ot be a scumbag but just looking at the conditions and shit, even if they got out they would of been wet and its been around -1 - 0c in Cardiff last few days, must of been similar their.
What are called dead stick landings are part of the training for your PPL. All aircraft have a glide path, and dependent on height can travel for a number of miles before having to touch down. If this aeroplane simply lost power and was forced to ditch, you would have expected the pilot to send out a mayday call giving his co-ordinates so that rescue teams would know where the plane has come down. Similarly, any passengers would have had the time to at least send a text to their family or a loved one. No distress call combined with just vanishing off radar is not a good sign.
Silly question, but could a complete loss of power not prevent the pilot from relaying any kind of mayday or coordinates? I would imagine their location/rapid change in altitude would also prevent mobile phones from getting any kind of signal. Having said that, I would’ve thought sending a text would be the last thing on their mind amongst preparation for a very sudden emergency landing at sea.
You would expect that an aircraft undertaking this sort of journey would have a auxilliary air driven power unit for radio,instruments,lights etc in the event of a complete power failure failure. Not sure about mobile phone signals etc., they were'nt around in my day. However, I seem to remember mobile phones being used by passengers during previous emergencies as a way of saying goodbye to their loved ones. I am no expert, just an opinion. I started training for my PPL as I come from a family of aviation enthusiasts, three of whom were members of Cardiff Flying Club. I know dead stick landings were a favourite ploy as far as my instructor was concerned. Sadly, money and family commitments cut my flying days short, although I later took up the cheaper option of gliding. Things have moved on from those days, but even then, sudden loss of communications and disappearing from radar would have been a very bad sign. I know a few people who would think twice about flying over water in darkness in the middle of Winter in a small aircraft, but it is certainly not unheard of.
Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:22 pm
Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:24 pm
Rambo No 5 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Rambo No 5 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Logie wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:I would have thought if the aircraft had descended to 2600 feet and suffered engine failure, the pilot would have had more than enough time to send out a distress call signalling his intentions to try and ditch the plane either in the water or on land. The fact this did not happen, and the plane apparently just disappeared off the radar surely suggests that something catastrophic happened while in flight. Personally, I could never see this having the outcome we all hoped for. I think there is every possibility that the aircraft either broke up mid air, or plummeted those couple of thousand feet giving the pilot no time to send out a distress call. Just an opinion like many others have had, but all aeroplanes will stay airborne for a time without power, and the absence of any indication of a problem from the pilot suggest that there was little time to react.
Yea have to agree, the common idea is that the plane was freezing up hence reason for decent. Guessing he didnt have time to radio mayday in trying to save them both and the plane.
Not trying ot be a scumbag but just looking at the conditions and shit, even if they got out they would of been wet and its been around -1 - 0c in Cardiff last few days, must of been similar their.
What are called dead stick landings are part of the training for your PPL. All aircraft have a glide path, and dependent on height can travel for a number of miles before having to touch down. If this aeroplane simply lost power and was forced to ditch, you would have expected the pilot to send out a mayday call giving his co-ordinates so that rescue teams would know where the plane has come down. Similarly, any passengers would have had the time to at least send a text to their family or a loved one. No distress call combined with just vanishing off radar is not a good sign.
Silly question, but could a complete loss of power not prevent the pilot from relaying any kind of mayday or coordinates? I would imagine their location/rapid change in altitude would also prevent mobile phones from getting any kind of signal. Having said that, I would’ve thought sending a text would be the last thing on their mind amongst preparation for a very sudden emergency landing at sea.
You would expect that an aircraft undertaking this sort of journey would have a auxilliary air driven power unit for radio,instruments,lights etc in the event of a complete power failure failure. Not sure about mobile phone signals etc., they were'nt around in my day. However, I seem to remember mobile phones being used by passengers during previous emergencies as a way of saying goodbye to their loved ones. I am no expert, just an opinion. I started training for my PPL as I come from a family of aviation enthusiasts, three of whom were members of Cardiff Flying Club. I know dead stick landings were a favourite ploy as far as my instructor was concerned. Sadly, money and family commitments cut my flying days short, although I later took up the cheaper option of gliding. Things have moved on from those days, but even then, sudden loss of communications and disappearing from radar would have been a very bad sign. I know a few people who would think twice about flying over water in darkness in the middle of Winter in a small aircraft, but it is certainly not unheard of.
Appreciate the insight!
Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:27 pm